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Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Feb 09, 2018 6:40 pm

The question every abuser asks: "Why did you make me hit you?"

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:02 pm

"Kelly offers account of Porter exit that some White House aides consider untrue":
White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly on Friday morning instructed senior staff to communicate a version of events about the departure of staff secretary Rob Porter that contradicts the Trump administration’s previous accounts, according to two senior officials.

During a staff meeting, Kelly told those in attendance to say he took action to remove Porter within 40 minutes of learning abuse allegations from two ex-wives were credible, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because discussions in such meetings are supposed to be confidential.

“He told the staff he took immediate and direct action,” one of the officials said, adding that people after the meeting expressed disbelief with one another and felt his latest account was not true.

That version of events contradicts both the public record and accounts from numerous other White House officials in recent days as the Porter drama unfolded. Kelly — who first learned of the domestic violence allegations against Porter months ago — issued a glowing statement of support for Porter’s personal character after the allegations first surfaced publicly Tuesday and privately urged him to remain on the job until the next day when his resignation was announced.
I would say that people working in the WH are miserable, hate one another, detest their bosses, and are rotten to the core.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Feb 09, 2018 7:26 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:I'd be lousy at that, so I just rely on TIAA to handle it for me.
With the market down another 450 or so pts today
and snap just like that the Dow's up 200+ on the day . . . LOL
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Post by TJrandom » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:06 pm

I just wanted to be the first here (or not…) to suggest that Trump will soon ask for a yuge statue of himself to be erected in Washington, and for Betsy Devos to mandate that all school kiddies sport a badge bearing his image. ;)

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That'd throw some mighty shade...
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:"Kelly offers account of Porter exit that some White House aides consider untrue":
White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly on Friday morning instructed senior staff to communicate a version of events about the departure of staff secretary Rob Porter that contradicts the Trump administration’s previous accounts, according to two senior officials.

During a staff meeting, Kelly told those in attendance to say he took action to remove Porter within 40 minutes of learning abuse allegations from two ex-wives were credible, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because discussions in such meetings are supposed to be confidential.

“He told the staff he took immediate and direct action,” one of the officials said, adding that people after the meeting expressed disbelief with one another and felt his latest account was not true.

That version of events contradicts both the public record and accounts from numerous other White House officials in recent days as the Porter drama unfolded. Kelly — who first learned of the domestic violence allegations against Porter months ago — issued a glowing statement of support for Porter’s personal character after the allegations first surfaced publicly Tuesday and privately urged him to remain on the job until the next day when his resignation was announced.
I would say that people working in the WH are miserable, hate one another, detest their bosses, and are rotten to the core.
He's learning from only the right and best people.
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Post by TJrandom » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:29 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:That'd throw some mighty shade...
Head gut and arse, but no hands...

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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Feb 09, 2018 8:38 pm

Old Thunderthighs will be malfeasant magnificent.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:11 pm

Over/under on Kelly’s tenure?

http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/09/politics/ ... l?adkey=bn

note: ABC says "does not appear imminent," CNN has speculation that that clown Mick Mulvaney is in line for the job if Kelly goes
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:54 pm

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scrmbldggs wrote:But but but... pardon me, he very strongly said he's innocent. That's (almost always) good enough for our genius.
Yes, indeed, you have to remember that. He said it very strongly. That means he's probably innocent.
Doesn't matter. According to my MSNBC feed, Trump is "very disappointed" in Hope Hicks over this issue. It's all her fault. One guilty woman (Hicks) equals three innocent men (Porter, Trump, Kelly).
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:32 pm

Upset with Hicks? All she did was try covering up for her boyfriend and saving his job.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Feb 09, 2018 11:57 pm

It's probably all her former boyfriend's doing - Lewandowski wants his best piece of tail (an endearing pet name Dumpy has for her) back.
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Kelly said (told those in attendance to say) he took decisive and appropriate action within 40 minutes of learning abuse allegations from two ex-wives were credible - Yeah, sure. Whenever that happened, he probably told him that all's cool, not to worry and to get on with his job.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:47 am

Extreme vetting, Trump style: "The abrupt departure of speechwriter David Sorensen comes after his former wife claimed that he was violent and emotionally abusive during their turbulent two-and-a-half-year marriage — allegations that he vehemently denied. Rather, Sorensen said he was the victim of domestic violence in their marriage." As long as they deny it . . .

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:48 am

Trump, via Don McGahn, announces that he will not allow release of Schiff's memo . . .
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Spoiler:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:54 am

Matthew, can you help American higher education with this pesky, subtle, and difficult-to-resolve issue?
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Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:57 am

scrmbldggs wrote:
Spoiler:

Which is why F.P. Berg never wears white....

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:59 am

Balmoral95 wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:
Spoiler:

Which is why F.P. Berg never wears white....
Naw, he does. On special occasions.

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:lol:
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 10, 2018 1:16 am

so many men of great integrity, wish them all well

“Bam-Bam” Bannon
Puzder
Corey Lewandowski
this Sorenson chap, good guy no doubt
Trump himself (not rape rape mind you)
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Lots of pearl clutching going on amongst the Reptilians...


...and not to forget the Televangelicals, preying with their Mormon brethren...
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I'll be in the minority here, and quite obviously I hold no brief with anyone associated with or attendant to Trump, but I do have questions about these allegations of abuse. And maybe I've missed it somehow that there is material evidence which proves them? And no, issuance of a restraining order during a divorce action doesn't meet that standard. So, if one knows, please spill it.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Feb 10, 2018 2:48 am

You mean beyond "He said - a dozen women said'?

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Balmoral95 wrote:

I'll be in the minority here, and quite obviously I hold no brief with anyone associated with or attendant to Trump, but I do have questions about these allegations of abuse. And maybe I've missed it somehow that there is material evidence which proves them? And no, issuance of a restraining order during a divorce action doesn't meet that standard. So, if one knows, please spill it.
Can't say for certain, but from what I heard, if the FBI does a background check it's intense and with many interviews of many people, perhaps even more so for the level Porter needed in his job. And if they felt the outcome of their findings confirmed the allegations*, I tend to trust that.


* Maybe just strong enough evidence that would make him susceptible to blackmail was enough. Then it's not quite confirmed, I think?
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scrmbldggs wrote:
Balmoral95 wrote:

I'll be in the minority here, and quite obviously I hold no brief with anyone associated with or attendant to Trump, but I do have questions about these allegations of abuse. And maybe I've missed it somehow that there is material evidence which proves them? And no, issuance of a restraining order during a divorce action doesn't meet that standard. So, if one knows, please spill it.
Can't say for certain, but from what I heard, if the FBI does a background check it's intense and with many interviews of many people, perhaps even more so for the level Porter needed in his job. And if they felt the outcome of their findings confirmed the allegations*, I tend to trust that.


* Maybe just strong enough evidence that would make him susceptible to blackmail was enough. Then it's not quite confirmed, I think?
Agreed. I'd just like to see the hard evidence.

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scrmbldggs wrote:. . . if the FBI does a background check it's intense and with many interviews of many people, perhaps even more so for the level Porter needed in his job. And if they felt the outcome of their findings confirmed the allegations*, I tend to trust that. . . .
After interviewing the women, and questioning Porter, and after informing McGahn of serous issues with Porter's security clearance, it's been reported, the FBI informed Kelly in late fall that Porter would not receive his security clearance. Along with the accusations of domestic violence, the FBI seems to have investigated Porter's interactions with Willoughby regarding what she had told the FBI about their relationship. I am guessing, but don't know, that for the FBI the restraining order was important but also the interviews.

Subjective, I know, but also the two women come across as credible, and unflappable, in any interviews they've given. I would also have to say that the reactions of most of the others to the emergence of information, then media reports makes me think they believed the charges. That is, except for Trump, who seems to believe Porter.

But, true, we haven't seen this evidence. Could we be surprised? Sure, but it would be a surprise at this point . . .
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...A source familiar with Brand's plans said she is going to accept a job with Walmart. A second source said she is leaving DOJ "because she got a great job."...
Omigord, I snorted coffee out of my nose! :lol:
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Post by ElectricMonk » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:36 am

Writing on the wall: if Trump fires Rosenstein, it would have been her job to fire Mueller or become Trump's punching bag.
Who needs that?
With this move, she actually makes it harder to get rid of the investigation since Trump first has to find replacements.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:39 am

Breitbart is saying that Trump has sounded Tom Barrack as replacement for Kelly but Barrack demurred. Short list: Budget Director and interim head of Consumer Protection Board Mick Mulvaney, House majority leader Kevin McCarthy, House Freedom Caucus chai. Mark Meadows, Gary Cohn, and Chris Christie.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:. . . if the FBI does a background check it's intense and with many interviews of many people, perhaps even more so for the level Porter needed in his job. And if they felt the outcome of their findings confirmed the allegations*, I tend to trust that. . . .
After interviewing the women, and questioning Porter, and after informing McGahn of serous issues with Porter's security clearance, it's been reported, the FBI informed Kelly in late fall that Porter would not receive his security clearance. Along with the accusations of domestic violence, the FBI seems to have investigated Porter's interactions with Willoughby regarding what she had told the FBI about their relationship. I am guessing, but don't know, that for the FBI the restraining order was important but also the interviews.

Subjective, I know, but also the two women come across as credible, and unflappable, in any interviews they've given. I would also have to say that the reactions of most of the others to the emergence of information, then media reports makes me think they believed the charges. That is, except for Trump, who seems to believe Porter.

But, true, we haven't seen this evidence. Could we be surprised? Sure, but it would be a surprise at this point . . .
They would have spoken to everyone contemporary, including the police officers/station that kept receiving calls.


And perhaps a few Mormon bishops, too...
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 10, 2018 3:47 am

After 9 months in the job! Sessions is said to be terrible to work for, morale in the DOJ is also poor due to the relentless politicization of the department. A Washington lawyer type on CNN alluded to the unpleasant work situation as well as how traditional "credentialed" conservatives like Brand find themselves in awkward personal situations working for Trump. But I would think the possibility of being handed the Mueller hot potato has to be part of her reasoning.

According to VOX,
Technically, the next in line is Solicitor General Noel Francisco, who is now serving in Brand’s role in an acting capacity. But legal experts told me that Trump has the authority to name anyone he wants to replace Brand.

And here’s the scary thing: That person might follow Trump’s order to dismiss the special counsel.
That's Josh Marshall's take, too, although he writes that the situation is confusing and quotes an observer,
This is big. Judging by what the SG's office has been filing, I am not put on ease. If Trump gets Rosenstein out of the way, Francisco could well do Trump's bidding and fire Mueller.
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Gord wrote:
...A source familiar with Brand's plans said she is going to accept a job with Walmart. A second source said she is leaving DOJ "because she got a great job."...
Omigord, I snorted coffee out of my nose! :lol:
She’s getting a promotion to electronics and is guaranteed 30 hours a week. That’s a fantastic job for Wal-Mart.
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scrmbldggs wrote:...Jarwanka...
Porky Pig. Yosemite Sam.
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[quote="scrmbldggs"]...Jarwanka...[/quotese Garden]

Yup... They can do the best imitation of Dolfy und Eva.... Tossing JK to the Russians or having him shot in the Rose Garden...

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