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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby TJrandom » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:01 pm

Yes, but in November - an asshat won, and this time he didn`t. I wonder how Faux news is going to explain this.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:22 pm

TJrandom wrote:Yes, but in November - an asshat won, and this time he didn`t. I wonder how Faux news is going to explain this.



Of course there will be screams of fake news, voter fraud, calls for investigation......
I’ll tell you in a minute, they have Fox on in my gym. It isn’t out of the realm of possibility they will studiously ignore the whole thing.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 1:28 pm

LOL, someone is playing “Sweet Home Alabama” really loud at the gym.
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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:05 pm

Hmm, Trump is pounding the write-in votes. Very different from the VA governor's race, where the Republican allegedly lost because he didn't embrace Trump soon enough. Maybe even Trump realized that horse wouldn't run, so he's got a new resident in his stable of excuses to run this time.
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TJrandom wrote:Yes, but in November - an asshat won, and this time he didn`t. I wonder how Faux news is going to explain this.



Of course there will be screams of fake news, voter fraud, calls for investigation......
I’ll tell you in a minute, they have Fox on in my gym. It isn’t out of the realm of possibility they will studiously ignore the whole thing.


It would be a very difficult case to make that Democrats managed to rig an election in the reddest state in the country. But Sean Hannity is pretty dumb. He might try. Too bad I'm tied up at noon today. I haven't listened to Rash Limpjaw in 15 years, but it would be really interesting to hear him live spinning this as some machination of the Deep State.
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Balmoral95 wrote:http://www.newsweek.com/steve-bannon-peter-king-drunken-alabama-roy-moore-746719



I said he looks like someone’s alcoholic uncle.

The thing I take great pleasure in is this crushing defeat for Bannonism. It isn’t dead, not by a long shot but it loosened Bannon’s grip and made the Republican leadership fear him less.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Yes, but in November - an asshat won, and this time he didn`t. I wonder how Faux news is going to explain this.



Of course there will be screams of fake news, voter fraud, calls for investigation......
I’ll tell you in a minute, they have Fox on in my gym. It isn’t out of the realm of possibility they will studiously ignore the whole thing.


It would be a very difficult case to make that Democrats managed to rig an election in the reddest state in the country. But Sean Hannity is pretty dumb. He might try. Too bad I'm tied up at noon today. I haven't listened to Rash Limpjaw in 15 years, but it would be really interesting to hear him live spinning this as some machination of the Deep State.


I didn’t get a chance to tune in, there was a cluster of people on the equipment around the TV with it on.

It’s the only time I ever pay attention to it, I sure as hell don’t watch it by choice.

To be fair I also avoid CNN, MSNBC, etc., etc. I will read the websites.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:32 pm

Ari Melber on MSNBC is worth watching. I think Rachel Maddow has done round the bend. We go through spells of watching The Trump Show, then swearing it off . . . LOL
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:34 pm

My mother watches Fox to the exclusion of all else.

I can’t really watch all-news channels anymore. I prefer to read and absorb on my own without talking heads.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 13, 2017 4:37 pm

Well, to be honest, I read while "watching" LOL
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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
TJrandom wrote:Yes, but in November - an asshat won, and this time he didn`t. I wonder how Faux news is going to explain this.



Of course there will be screams of fake news, voter fraud, calls for investigation......
I’ll tell you in a minute, they have Fox on in my gym. It isn’t out of the realm of possibility they will studiously ignore the whole thing.


It would be a very difficult case to make that Democrats managed to rig an election in the reddest state in the country. But Sean Hannity is pretty dumb. He might try. Too bad I'm tied up at noon today. I haven't listened to Rash Limpjaw in 15 years, but it would be really interesting to hear him live spinning this as some machination of the Deep State.

With McTurtle's early announcement, some might be dumb enough to give away the Repugnant voting game in their haste to place blame...
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:23 pm

Janet Rubin, conservative columnist (and #nevertrumper) today: "Republicans were not persuaded; they were outvoted." And barely, having rallied behind a candidate that plumbs Traynorian and Hazardish depths (91% of Republicans voted for the pedophile). But outvoted they were, in Alabama. I should think bricks are being shat across the country amongst Republicans concerning '18 and '20.
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Shocking news, an FBI agent since canned by Mueller called Trump an idiot: "The FBI agent who was removed from Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s team in August, Peter Strzok, called President Donald Trump “awful” and an “idiot” during the presidential campaign, according to text messages provided to Congress and obtained by several news outlets." (from TPM)

OTOH, idiot is the most common word Americans use when describing President Anus Mouth, according to a recent Quinnipiac polls ("Poll: 'Idiot' most common word used to describe Trump"). Strzok sounds rather ordinary, doesn't he though?

Funny, no Republican thugs have mentioned this situation in their caterwauling about bias in investigations: "Lead Cop In Felony Trial For Trump Inaugural Protesters Sent Anti-Activist Tweets: Gregg Pemberton was quizzed about his use of Twitter by defense lawyers":
The police detective who has spent virtually all of this year aiding the prosecution of individuals arrested en masse on the day of President Donald Trump’s inauguration was questioned on Tuesday about tweets he sent, retweeted or liked that were critical of Black Lives Matter and “leftist goons.”

Gregg Pemberton, a detective with Washington’s Metropolitan Police Department who also serves as an official in the local police union, had until recently maintained a public Twitter account that reflected his views on a variety of law enforcement topics. On the stand, Pemberton claimed he tweeted “solely” as a member of the D.C. police union board, though he later said that he had used the account in his investigative capacity.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 13, 2017 5:48 pm

Breitbart’s sage analysis of why Moore lost:

“1) Not having a unified GOP mattered”: they specifically call out Shelby. The 2nd Civil War, this one inside the GOP . . . bring it!

“2) Margins of loss in urban counties was [sic] too much to overcome”: that is, Bannon & Co “misunderestimated” how unpopular they are with minority voters and mainstream types

“3) Alabama swing counties?”: university towns that went for Trump were won handily by Jones; thus, the war on higher education?

“4) Turnout was much higher than predicted”: time to intensify vote suppression efforts, for {!#%@}’s sake, when people vote, they may vote “wrong”!

“5) Moore was relying too much on a strong showing in the Wiregrass”: southeastern Alabama for sure voted for Moore, but turnout was low in such areas whilst turnout was high in areas where Jones ran up large %’s in his favor - in short, dumb {!#%@} strategy Bannon

No mention of the candidate and what he stands for? How curious!
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What the hell is wrong with people in Alabama?

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2% of Alabama Democrats admitted voting for Roy Moore? :befuddled:
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2% of Alabama Democrats admitted voting for Roy Moore? :befuddled:


They know that the Rapture is next week, and they don't want to be on divine record to have voted for a supporter of Fetus Murder.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:14 pm

Credit where credit is due: I have criticized the DNC roundly on more than one occasion. In Alabama, the DNC quietly worked the ground game and focused on African American turnout, which was dismissed as not materializing in the election lead-up - but which proved decisive for Jones. Good job by the DNC, outside the media spotlight, doing the legwork that's necessary to win, as they did in VA.

Sessions' seat is now to be occupied by a progressive Democrat. Wow.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 13, 2017 6:15 pm

Gord wrote:What the hell is wrong with people in Alabama?

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2% of Alabama Democrats admitted voting for Roy Moore? :befuddled:

LOL

OTOH that Independent % must be freaking out people in the White House and Capitol building.
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ElectricMonk wrote:
Gord wrote:
2% of Alabama Democrats admitted voting for Roy Moore? :befuddled:


They know that the Rapture is next week, and they don't want to be on divine record to have voted for a supporter of Fetus Murder.


No need to be so dramatic...maybe some of those 2% don't like his haircut...i don't... :evil:
Some might have consider that Doug looks pretty stupid on that picture...I do :twisted:
Some might be color-blind, and can't see red from blue...
Others might have come out from a late night party...and cast the wrong vote...
Others might just have wanted to vote for John Lennon and did not find the ballot and expressed their anger...
Some might have felt guilty for having murdered a Fetus and put a redemption vote...
Lot of possibilities, so one should fragmented those 2%...

On the other side, 8% did of the Republicans did not vote for their candidates...more substantial, isn't it?

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Gord wrote:What the hell is wrong with people in Alabama?

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2% of Alabama Democrats admitted voting for Roy Moore? :befuddled:

They are very, very old. And still Democrats.
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Credit where credit is due: I have criticized the DNC roundly on more than one occasion. In Alabama, the DNC quietly worked the ground game and focused on African American turnout, which was dismissed as not materializing in the election lead-up - but which proved decisive for Jones. Good job by the DNC, outside the media spotlight, doing the legwork that's necessary to win, as they did in VA.

Sessions' seat is now to be occupied by a progressive Democrat. Wow.


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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 13, 2017 7:45 pm

Jones will not be in DC in time to save the working and middle classes from the travesty of Republican tax cuts.

But . . . remember Round 2 of the Ryan-McConnell-Trump plan: use the deficit, widened by the tax cuts, to drill home austerity (slash, under the header "welfare reform," at key elements of the safety net - Medicare, Medicaid, food stamps and other anti-hunger programs, social security, CHIP, etc - you know, cut the very programs Trump promised to safeguard).

Now, the austerity majority is down to just 1 seat. McCain, Murkowski, and Collins among the Hunger Party have had trouble accepting cuts in the safety net (such as outright, as opposed to, stealth repeal of the ACA). Anyway, it's no longer 2 votes that the Republicans can afford to lose on this stuff but 1. Phase 2 of the Hunger Plan - budget austerity - could well be in trouble.

And the hole in federal finances created by the tax legislation these idiots are about to pass could be more real than I'd thought.
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So much winning. They really must be sick of it by now.
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Statmec:
Jones will not be in DC in time to save the working and middle classes from the travesty of Republican tax cuts.


This is the kind of thing that i cannot even apprehend. How can someone who was beaten could still sit in Congress until 2018? It is insane!

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Right. I always had trouble sitting after a good beati.... oh. Hehe. :-P
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Balsamo wrote:Statmec:
Jones will not be in DC in time to save the working and middle classes from the travesty of Republican tax cuts.


This is the kind of thing that i cannot even apprehend. How can someone who was beaten could still sit in Congress until 2018? It is insane!

It's kind of simple, actually, and not atypical. Every state, via the secretary of state's office, certifies elections and their results (it may need to be pointed out that each state, not the federal government, runs its own elections). In this case,
- overseas ballots still need to be counted (they are permitted by AL election rules to come in until 19 December)
- provisional ballots (those cast where the voter's eligibility must be resolved) need to be dealt with and counted
- write-in ballots may need to be counted (AL requires this when the winning margin does not exceed the number of write-in votes); this issue will be resolved by 18 December
- given the above, counties are to report their final counts to the secretary of state on 22 December
- the secretary of state's office will review the final counts and certify the results no earlier than 26 December and no later than 3 January

. . . and, if the winning margin in an election is less than 0.5%, a recount of the votes in that election is mandated (see above on this) - but also Moore can request (and pay for) a recount . . . the recount would not take place, sad to say, by state rules until after official certification . . .

Congress is scheduled to break on 22 December; thus, Jones cannot be seated until after Congress goes back into session after the 1st of the year.
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I think it broke a while ago already. It sure is in sore need of fixin...
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It cuts both ways. If you recall, something very like this happened when Scott Brown was a surprise winner in MA in 2010 and the ACA was in process.
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I posted already, I musta missed it. Here it is again(?): Monmouth poll: Trump approval rating hits record-low 32 percent
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They are getting killed amongst women, minorities, and young people (under 44!). And they are dropping fast in what Eric Levitz is calling Panera-land. Moore lost . . . Talladega, spiritual home of NASCAR not to mention Ricky Bobby. A Republican losing Talladega is like Hitler losing Munch. It basically can't happen.
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Interesting he hasn't said, "She'd do ANYTHING to keep her job.".

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:19 am

. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Balmoral95 » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:30 am

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They are getting killed amongst women, minorities, and young people (under 44!). And they are dropping fast in what Eric Levitz is calling Panera-land. Moore lost . . . Talladega, spiritual home of NASCAR not to mention Ricky Bobby. A Republican losing Talladega is like Hitler losing Munch. It basically can't happen.


Yes, but: I'm hearing a lot of smug complacency in Dems after yesterday :evil:

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:51 am

They're allowed. For 24 hours. Tomorrow they need to remind themselves that a Republican pedophile, who yearns for slavery and making gays illegal, who was twice removed from the state's highest court for inability to conform to the law, who appealed to voters as a Christian ayatollah, came within a whisker of winning. That Judge Moore won white voters by 38 points - and lost black voters by 98 points. That we are not "together again." That almost half the voters in Alabama voted for the closest thing to the Confederacy and theocracy that they could find on the ballot. And that millions upon millions of such people are digging their heels in all across the country.
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