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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 11:19 am

Thinking more, whilst having morning tea, about the special counsel and the question of a crime investigation: what if Trump & company are not guilty of crimes (I find this hard to fathom but let's just say) but "only" of appallingly poor judgment, incompetence, and other non-criminal behavior? What if Russia undertook disruptive activities during the presidential campaign without implicating Trump campaign members?

Along these lines: Trumpies coordinating media strategies with RT but not involving themselves in hacking or Trumpies opening back channels to Russian officials or the transition team appointing unqualified senior officials who haven't been vetted and like that.

It would seem that Mueller could give Trump & his associates an "all clean" on criminal matters without having to do a "Comey" on them, that is, explain to the public why Trump & associates are not being criminally charged despite their incapacity, recklessness, and unreliability.

The special counsel's remit makes me think too that Mueller will not be looking at the range of activities which Russia is alleged to have undertaken to influence the US elections - as purely Russian activities, whether illegal or not, which is in fact where this started, coordination or no coordination. Mueller's remit is domestic activity and lawbreaking, not Russian policy, etc.

This is why I worry a great deal about Congress. Those two committees are basically Republican instruments to protect Trump. Some independent, non-criminal investigation is still a fundamental need if the country is to come to grips with what it did to itself and what Russia did or didn't do. In short, Mueller is no magic wand to resolve this. The Democrats must keep pushing for an independent broader investigation IMO.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 11:46 am

On the eve of Mr Trump's grand tour of the world, The Economist Intelligence Unit has released a "state of" report entitled "Donald Trump is driving the highest level of political risk in years"; the report begins:
Against the backdrop of a steadying global economy lies the highest level of political risk in years. At the centre of this is the administration of Donald Trump in the US. Mr Trump is an unpredictable, thin-skinned and impulsive leader. This makes him a difficult ally, both for Republicans at home and the country's allies abroad. It is also leading to a chaotic foreign policy, which, given the US's international reach, has consequences all around the globe. In recent weeks the administration has bombed a Syrian government airfield (without a broader strategy in place); called for tighter economic sanctions on North Korea (while simultaneously appearing willing to participate in fresh diplomatic talks); watered down its condemnation of Chinese trade policy (while intensifying its criticism of Canada); and hosted senior Russian officials at the White House (immediately after sacking the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), who was in charge of an investigation into potential links between Mr Trump's campaign and the Russian government). . . .

The brief report concludes:
We do not believe that these outcomes reflect a coherent policy direction. There is, however, enormous downside risk. . . .

One could conclude from this assessment that the chaotic mess which Mr Trump complains he inherited is in actuality the one he is creating.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:One could conclude from this assessment that the chaotic mess which Mr Trump complains he inherited is in actuality the one he is creating.


Also, Trump is creating the Deep State his followers are so worked up about:

what choice does the intelligence community have when the Commander in Chief is not able to pay attention to briefings and will blurt out classified material to non-friendly governments?
Their oath to protect the country makes it necessary to withhold information from a president and create a parallel decision-making process for the truly sensitive intel.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 12:12 pm

excellent point . . . he's creating the Obamacare crisis he predicted, too . . .
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 12:34 pm

Sweden: A Moderate (in Sweden this party is a right-wing party) MP, Patrick Reslow, has defected to the Sweden Democrats (PM Löfven describes them as "a party with Nazi roots, a racist party").

As I posted earlier, the Moderates, perhaps on account of their opening as a party to the Sweden Democrats, have taken a swoon in the polls. The, er, centrist Center party (think: Macron) has doubled its support.

"[This defection] contributes to the impression that the Moderates are in a bit of a mess. That could potentially benefit the Centre Party," according to Lund University political scientist Anders Sannerstedt. Li Bennich-Björkman (Uppsala University) concurs arguing that the Center has been able "to lure sympathy from both disappointed Moderate voters, and disappointed Green Party voters."
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Trump looks like the bad hangover that's coming up...


And why do they keep calling him a 'leader'?
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 2:17 pm

At yesterday's press conference he came across as sullen and defeated, despite saying words to the contrary. I assume that his loyalists are trying to keep spirits up by chanting "Remember Pussygate!"
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 2:30 pm

Xcalibur wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-radical-crusade-of-mike-pence-w462223

Best single profile I've read of Pence. Thanks.

And Josh Marshall caps off a couple days of Pence-Watch with this.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Upton_O_Goode » Fri May 19, 2017 2:35 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:One could conclude from this assessment that the chaotic mess which Mr Trump complains he inherited is in actuality the one he is creating.


Also, Trump is creating the Deep State his followers are so worked up about:

what choice does the intelligence community have when the Commander in Chief is not able to pay attention to briefings and will blurt out classified material to non-friendly governments?
Their oath to protect the country makes it necessary to withhold information from a president and create a parallel decision-making process for the truly sensitive intel.


Exactly! Well said!
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Xcalibur wrote:http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-radical-crusade-of-mike-pence-w462223


Oh, but he's a Believer, and that covers a multitude of sins. He'll never be in doubt that he's Doing the Right Thing.
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"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

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ElectricMonk wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:One could conclude from this assessment that the chaotic mess which Mr Trump complains he inherited is in actuality the one he is creating.


Also, Trump is creating the Deep State his followers are so worked up about:

what choice does the intelligence community have when the Commander in Chief is not able to pay attention to briefings and will blurt out classified material to non-friendly governments?
Their oath to protect the country makes it necessary to withhold information from a president and create a parallel decision-making process for the truly sensitive intel.


Exactly! Well said!

It just hit me. A few days ago Erick Erickson of all people made a similar argument: "You can call these sources disloyal, traitors, or whatever you want. But please ask yourself a question — if the President, through inexperience and ignorance, is jeopardizing our national security and will not take advice or corrective action, what other means are available to get the President to listen and recognize the error of his ways?"
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 2:57 pm

Mr Trump:
You look at what's happening with Ford, and General Motors, in Michigan and Ohio ... that's what I'm proud of.

"REPEATED 28 TIMES:Feb 9Feb 10Feb 16Feb 17Feb 18Feb 24Feb 28Feb 28Mar 6Mar 13Mar 15Mar 17Mar 21Mar 23Mar 24Mar 24Mar 28Mar 28Mar 29Mar 31Apr 2Apr 4Apr 11Apr 21Apr 29May 1May 17May 18" source: WaPo

This week: "Ford confirms 1,400 job cuts and cost-cutting"

Trump, bursting with pride: "This is the single greatest witch hunt of a politician in American history!" Er, no, that's not it . . .

Btw Seth Moulton (Democratic congressmen from Salem): "As the Representative of Salem, MA, I can confirm that this is false." LOL
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He's been correct about pretty much any of his negative predictions of what would happen if he wouldn't win. I'm just glad that he didn't write his own inaugural speech.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 3:22 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:He's been correct about pretty much any of his negative predictions of what would happen if he wouldn't win. I'm just glad that he didn't write his own inaugural speech.

maybe sour grapes, but far more likely not: "Trump is down but not out"; he 1) remains a "skilled politician," 2) has "the power of the presidency," 3) benefits from "the desire of many observers to try to normalize Trump and get 'back to business'," 4) enjoys "the intensity of his most devout supporters," and 5) likely has "die-hard supporters . . . more devoted to Trump than they are to the rule of law."
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri May 19, 2017 3:36 pm

From the link you posted upstream (Russia intel poll)
Trump's approval rating, despite remaining fairly consistent in recent polling, reached its lowest mark for any POLITICO/Morning Consult poll since he entered office, with 53 percent disapproving and 41 percent approving. Trump's opposition also was more fierce than his support, with 40 percent disapproving of him strongly compared to the 18 percent who strongly approve.




(And I think I figured out the early morning tweets. Nothing else to do during hours of being put together again for the day...

"You can only imagine what mornings are like up there in the White House private quarters: the sleeping garments, the personal-grooming routine, the bronzer, the spray volumizer, and the careful hair placement, interspersed with continual tantrums over what the morning television shows are saying about him.")
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"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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:| So he's a good choice because McFarland married Lieberman's classmate. Got it. (jk)
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri May 19, 2017 5:03 pm

Yeah, and Flynn is peachy keen.
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"Peach" has been demoted and now is "orange". Like in "imorangement". :-P
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Good lard, reporting has it team Clinton practiced maneuvers dealing with the "germophobe's" forced hug attacks (remember how he yanked around Gorsuch when he didn't get him 'into his embrace', no matter how hard he tried... :lol:) and the chatterlings are probably going gaga over Weiner's wiener pic trial.

Time to throw something in the mix to be on the front page again?
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:a farce to be reckoned with



Good read. I hope Carter's prediction is right.
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"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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...soon to be replaced with the right's right to dissemble...
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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Lieberman on Flynn


Jee-ZUSS! Yeah, let's have Lieberman investigate Flynn. What could possibly go wrong?
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Adding to
Statistical Mechanic wrote:maybe sour grapes, but far more likely not: "Trump is down but not out"; he 1) remains a "skilled politician," 2) has "the power of the presidency," 3) benefits from "the desire of many observers to try to normalize Trump and get 'back to business'," 4) enjoys "the intensity of his most devout supporters," and 5) likely has "die-hard supporters . . . more devoted to Trump than they are to the rule of law."

There's No Way Republicans Will Truly Confront Trump on His Scandals. It Would Destroy Their Party.


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Bet you a tenner "No. No. Next question," will become "No (not you). No. Next question"....
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scrmbldggs wrote:Bet you a tenner "No. No. Next question," will become "No (not you). No. Next question"....

Look at the smirk on {!#%@}'s face.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Fri May 19, 2017 7:25 pm



Bizarrre. And the Beckel story you linked to now has a crawl saying that Trump told the Russians that firing Comey had "taken the pressure off him." The most astute assessment since Custer's reconnoitre of the Indians. It occurs to me that he might actually have believed this at the time, since all the people around him tell him only what he wants to hear.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Fri May 19, 2017 7:32 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Kushner has every reason to smile. Or so is thought...



The comments there are superb.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri May 19, 2017 7:33 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:...the Beckel story you linked to now has a crawl saying that Trump told the Russians that firing Comey had "taken the pressure off him."...


...according to a document summarizing the meeting.

“I just fired the head of the F.B.I. He was crazy, a real nut job,” Mr. Trump said, according to the document, which was read to The New York Times by an American official. “I faced great pressure because of Russia. That’s taken off.”


Didn't think this day would go by without a little drama...


ETA
Mr. Trump added, “I’m not under investigation.”

The conversation, during a May 10 meeting — the day after he fired Mr. Comey — reinforces the notion that Mr. Trump dismissed him primarily because of the bureau’s investigation into possible collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives. Mr. Trump said as much in one televised interview, but the White House has offered changing justifications for the firing.

The White House document that contained Mr. Trump’s comments was based on notes taken from inside the Oval Office and has been circulated as the official account of the meeting. One official read quotations to The Times, and a second official confirmed the broad outlines of the discussion...
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri May 19, 2017 7:40 pm

^ "Sean Spicer, the White House press secretary, did not dispute the account."


http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/politics/ ... index.html wrote:While Rosenstein said he "chose the issues to include in my memorandum" and believed it was time for new leadership at the FBI, he also said his memo was "not a statement of reasons to justify a for-cause termination."
"I wrote it. I believe it. I stand by it," Rosenstein's statement said...

But Rosenstein did not disclose further details about the memo he wrote, according to House members on Friday. Democratic Rep. Rick Nolan of Minnesota said Rosenstein was asked repeatedly who told him to write it, and he would not say, adding that it was part of Mueller probe.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Fri May 19, 2017 7:46 pm



Oh, again, what could possibly go wrong:

...is expected to use the term "radical Islamic terrorism" throughout the speech in Saudi Arabia,
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri May 19, 2017 7:50 pm

Wonder if Rosenstein gave him a "very, very strong recommendation" for that, too...
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