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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:34 am

His supporters must be ecstatic and sooooo proud!

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/32983 ... d-cost-55t wrote:
Budget group: Business tax cut proposal could cost $5.5T

A proposal from four prominent conservatives to cut taxes for businesses and provide funding for infrastructure could cost $5.5 trillion, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB).

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Steve Forbes, Larry Kudlow, Arthur Laffer and Stephen Moore, who advised President Trump's campaign, argued...that Trump shouldn't overhaul the whole tax code at once.

They said that Trump should instead start with a bill that cuts the tax rate for corporations and small businesses to 15 percent...

The proposal...would increase the debt to 111 percent of gross domestic product (GDP) by 2027, compared to a debt level of 89 percent of GDP under the Congressional Budget Office's baseline, CRFB said.

The debt-to-GDP level "would be higher than any time in U.S. history,"...



:hmm: Are they allowed to say that?

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And that glowing princess wants to travel Coach? :-P
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Orange and gold works, roight? Hair might be a problem....

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:53 am

And then this: Silicon Holler
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:10 am

scrmbldggs wrote:His supporters must be ecstatic and sooooo proud!

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/32983 ... d-cost-55t wrote:
Budget group: Business tax cut proposal could cost $5.5T

A proposal from four prominent conservatives to cut taxes for businesses and provide funding for infrastructure could cost $5.5 trillion, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget (CRFB).

That crew had an op-ed in the NY Times this week, critical of Trump's approach to tax "reform," which btw now seems to be back to starting with Obamacare. This comment on the piece caught my eye:
This proposal is not based on real facts on the ground.

1. Businesses do not pay a real rate of 35%, and the real rate they pay is not one of the highest in the world, but one of the lowest.

2. Businesses do not keep trillions overseas because of lower tax rates in other countries - they do it to avoid taxation altogether by effectively cheating on how and where profit is booked. I was involved in setting up such "global supply chain optimization" schemes ad nauseum. By what accounting trick do you think they are going to suddenly wire transfer this money back to the U.S.A? They are spending cash abroad buying up foreign companies, and keeping their extra cash in zero-tax havens, which are not going away.

3. Middle class wages are not going to rise due to changes in tax rates. There is an over-supply of labor with obsolete skills that cannot compete with extreme low wage countries. There is a cultural acceptance of extreme wage differentials that is pushing down skilled-labor and middle-management wages to benefit shareholders and senior management, the holders of wage-setting power.

4. Allowing full deduction of capital investment in one year is dangerous short-term thinking to the extreme. Distorting financial statements in this way will cause very high risk investment decisions. More risk equals more inflationary bubbles and collapses. Every failed project I saw was directly due to the utter stupidity of short-term thinking.

One idea being kicked around in Trumpland, by Gary Cohn I believe, is for eliminating SALT (state and local tax deductions for individuals paying federal income tax). SALT is for individuals who itemize deductions, which pretty much means higher income folks (professionals, managers, etc). The result would be $1.3tn in revenue over 10 years. Grover Norquist and others on the right love this idea, I suppose because it's peanuts to the superrich.

States with high taxes (and decent service levels), like NY, NJ, CA et al, would complain. Well-heeled liberals would complain. But the states affected are mostly Democratic states, and well-heeled liberals are Democrats, so the ancillary benefit to Trumpies would be socking it to affluent, liberal constituencies and attacking "big" state government (by putting pressure on their tax-payers and creating context for cutbacks in state social spending). Trumpies would love to punish blue states and blue voters; 50 Mississippis seems to be their vision. A downside is that Republicans in high-tax states will oppose this idea.

As I understand it, discussion (this is all "leaked" and Trump himself is not on board yet) is about using the increased revenue to pay for Walls and the defense build up. A smarter play for the GOP would be to do something for lower-income people . . .
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:17 am

The Department of Justice has issued an important statement informing Americans that the so-called state of Hawaii "is, in fact, an island in the Pacific." So there: the racist, perjurer from Alabama was right. Listening to these people is like discussing Spicey with BROI.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:28 am

On the continuing resolution to fund the federal government, which will be dealt with next week along with a tweaked ACHA if Trump gets his druthers, HuffPo reports on what the White House is requesting:
“Elections have consequences,” and “we want wall funding” as part of the spending bill, [budget director Mick] Mulvaney told the AP.

Mulvaney said the border wall was a top demand in an offer the White House delivered to negotiators Wednesday night. The Trump administration also forwarded a $30 billion request for the military and to grant the administration the power to deny federal grants to sanctuary cities.

In exchange, the White House may consider insurance subsidies for low-income Americans to keep the Affordable Care Act kicking, Mulvaney said, if the Democrats can swallow the wall.

Mulvaney’s plan rattled ongoing negotiations between the parties to pass a stopgap spending bill to avoid a government shutdown on April 28, when spending authorization ends. Talk of the wall hadn’t come up — until Mulvaney’s demand. Even Republicans had agreed that it should be addressed later, after the urgent stopgap spending issue, reported The Washington Post.

But the Trump administration is going full steam ahead — to the wall and beyond ― with a massive spending proposal in the fall.

“We’re certainly going to spend some money,” Mulvaney said Thursday at the Institute of International Finance, Bloomberg reported. . . .
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:03 pm

Mnuchin and Cohen are arguing that dynamic scoring (optimism about economic growth built into the federal budget) will result in $2tn of tax income and thus tax cuts will more than pay for themselves. The growth, they assume, will come from largely from the impact of the tax cuts themselves on the economy.

Sustained growth of the sort the administration is certain of, coming mainly from federal tax cuts, is not proven by past such efforts ("it depends"). Explanations of why this proposition is iffy are here and here and an evaluation of the most recent such efforts, the Bush tax cuts, is here.

In terms of the Bannon-Cohen debate, here again Trump appears ready to opt for traditional Republican economic orthodoxy despite the tenuous nature of the record.
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Postby Gord » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:16 pm

Huh. Hang on a second: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilles_de ... nvolvement

In 1438, according to testimony at his trial from the priest Eustache Blanchet and the cleric François Prelati, de Rais sent out Blanchet to seek individuals who knew alchemy and demon summoning. Blanchet contacted Prelati in Florence and convinced him to take service with his Master. Having reviewed the magical books of Prelati and a traveling Breton, de Rais chose to initiate experiments, the first taking place in the lower hall of his castle at Tiffauges, attempting to summon a demon named Barron. De Rais provided a contract with the demon for riches that Prelati was to give to the demon at a later time.

As no demon manifested after three tries, the Marshal grew frustrated with the lack of results. Prelati responded that the demon Barron was angry and required the offering of parts of a child. De Rais provided these remnants in a glass vessel at a future evocation. All of this was to no avail, and the occult experiments left him bitter and with his wealth severely depleted.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:19 pm

Perhaps not realizing that funding the federal government is important and feeling the heat of the impending "ridiculous standard of the first 100 days" (cf. "my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again"), Trump has been pushing congressional Republicans to effing do something on Obamacare. Something. Fast. Come on.

The illusion of motion on healthcare helps congressional Republicans with disillusioned constituents, so they have sort of gone along but not so much as to produce anything real. Sad!

So today, Trump re-prioritized starting in on tax reform to next week, telling the AP that he will be releasing his tax plan then and that it will, as you'd expect, be "massive," "bigger I believe than any tax cut ever." Yuuuuge! The biggest! What a great president! A massive tax cut for us!

According to The Hill, Treasury Secretary Mnuchin promised, too, "that the administration's tax plan would 'pay for itself with growth.'”

Is it a great time to be an American, or what? Everything is a priority, and we're going to get everything . . . soon!

The AP commented laconically, "The president says the package will be released on 'Wednesday or shortly thereafter' — just before his 100 day mark in office."

Reminding everyone just how fickle, and gullible, are the financial markets, on the news of the forthcoming tax plan the Dow jumped over 50 pts. But, as the day wore on, the Dow lost half the gain (unfair!).
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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Fri Apr 21, 2017 8:00 pm

- A white nationalist leader accused of assaulting a young African-American woman at a Donald Trump campaign rally filed a countersuit on Monday claiming the president directed him and other supporters to remove protesters.

Matthew Heimbach claims in his federal court filing that he “acted pursuant to the directives and requests of Donald J. Trump and Donald J. Trump for President” and that, if he’s found liable for damages, “any liability must be shifted to one or both of them.”

He writes that he “acted, if at all, in self defense,” as well as “in reasonable defense of others,” while also contending he was acting at Trump’s instruction.

Noting that Trump is “a world famous businessman” who “relies on various professionals including attorneys and other professional advisors,” Heimbach writes that he "relied on Trump’s reputation and expertise in doing the things alleged." Heimbach writes that he relied on Trump’s authority to order disruptive persons removed and that Trump was legally within his rights to ask other attendees to assist in defending their constitutional rights "against ‘protesters’ who were disrupting.”


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- White nationalist claims Trump directed rally violence - POLITICO
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/d ... nce-237302
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We will see what happens, but this is a great bill. There's a great plan, and this will be great healthcare. It is evolving.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:04 pm

Today the DoJ, in a belligerent and false statement on crime and immigration, equating immigration with high crimes rates, backed up Trump's promise to assist Chicago in fighting crime by cutting off significant federal funding to Chicago (and 7 other cities).
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:12 pm

Budget director Mick Mulvaney today spelled out more detail on the deal for funding the government being pushed by the White House: Trump will fund $1 in ACA subsidies for each $1 which Congress provides for the Wall. Schumer spokesman Matt House reminded Trump that Mexico was supposed to be funding the effing Wall: “The White House gambit to hold hostage health care for millions of Americans, in order to force American taxpayers to foot the bill for a wall that the president said would be paid for by Mexico is a complete nonstarter.”

Meanwhile Orange Top is now saying that there's “no particular rush” on repeal & replace, which the White House has been rushing this past week, and, to add to the confusion, White House sources are telling POLITICO that the tax plan, earlier today promised for midweek next week, may not come next week.
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Postby Xcalibur » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:52 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Budget director Mick Mulvaney today spelled out more detail on the deal for funding the government being pushed by the White House: Trump will fund $1 in ACA subsidies for each $1 which Congress provides for the Wall. Schumer spokesman Matt House reminded Trump that Mexico was supposed to be funding the effing Wall: “The White House gambit to hold hostage health care for millions of Americans, in order to force American taxpayers to foot the bill for a wall that the president said would be paid for by Mexico is a complete nonstarter.”

Meanwhile Orange Top is now saying that there's “no particular rush” on repeal & replace, which the White House has been rushing this past week, and, to add to the confusion, White House sources are telling POLITICO that the tax plan, earlier today promised for midweek next week, may not come next week.


Which makes something like 3 contradictory statements on healthcare alone in the last 24 hours. Meanwhile, NPR reporting the House doesn't even have the plan committed to paper yet.... "His truth goes marching on"...

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As seen on TV (or on the internet)


The Trump administration has moved a second career government employee out of a top advisory role amid pressure from conservative media outlets...

Nowrouzzadeh, a civil service employee who helped shape the controversial Iran nuclear deal, had been detailed since last July to the secretary of state’s policy planning team, where she handled ongoing issues related to Iran and Gulf Arab countries. Her yearlong assignment was cut short earlier this month, after critical stories about her and others appeared in the Conservative Review and on Breitbart News, according to the State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter. Nowrouzzadeh did not want to be reassigned, according to the official.
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...meanwhile Trump scoffs at 100-day mark as ‘ridiculous standard’

The president appears to be managing expectations ahead of the historic milestone next Saturday.


“No matter how much I accomplish during the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, & it has been a lot (including S.C.), media will kill!” Trump tweeted on Friday morning.

By Friday afternoon, Trump went further, arguing that next week is irrelevant.

“Next week doesn’t matter,” he told reporters...
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 11:57 pm

Xcalibur wrote:"His truth goes marching on"...

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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scrmbldggs wrote:...meanwhile Trump scoffs at 100-day mark as ‘ridiculous standard’

The president appears to be managing expectations ahead of the historic milestone next Saturday.


“No matter how much I accomplish during the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, & it has been a lot (including S.C.), media will kill!” Trump tweeted on Friday morning.

By Friday afternoon, Trump went further, arguing that next week is irrelevant.

“Next week doesn’t matter,” he told reporters...

Give him a break. He waited until almost 7am to tweet this BS.
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Hey, it does have bigly words!
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scrmbldggs wrote:Hey, it does have bigly words!



I was impressed he could spell "ridiculous"... then again,

http://www.abcfastphonics.com/

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I was particularly impressed yesterday by his performance (truly presidential) with the Italian PM. Trump actually said out loud that Pavarotti is "a close friend"... Yes, that Pavarotti, who croaked 10 years ago:

http://www.politicususa.com/2017/04/21/ ... tenor.html

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Based on what I hear:

1) Healthcare, nein

2) Tax Plan, nein

3) Immigration, nein

4) Infrastructure, apparently tabled

5) Funding US Gov't, dodgy

6) Wall, buried/mired in spending/healthcare legislation... Mexico pay? No way, Jose.

7) Roll up ISIS, fail

8) insert additional crapola here

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:41 am

I've got some ja's:

8) Hacking/cybersecurity plan: nein

9) Voter fraud investigation: nein

10) Big changes to NAFTA: nein

11) Chinese currency manipulation: nein

12) Muslim ban: who knows (2 losses so far ... )

13) "End the Offshoring Act": nein

14) School choice act: meetings and rumors

15) "Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act": nein

16) "End Illegal Immigration Act": nein

17) "Restoring Community Safety Act": nein

18) "Restoring National Security Act": who knows

19) "Clean up Corruption in Washington Act": neon

20) Increase transparency in federal government: nein

21) Fix Chicago: nein

22) Stay out of Syria: nein

23) Drug prices: nein

24) End common core: no way

25) Expand vocational and technical ed: cut 'em

26) Make college more affordable: nein

27) Bring back coal and coal jobs: nein

28) Not vacation and golf like Obama: nein

29) Drain the swamp: stock it with Goldman Sachs folks etc

30) Release federal taxes: nein

31) Scrap Iran nuke treaty: who knows

32) Lock her up: avoid setting bad precedent

33) Move the US embassy in Israel: no news

34) Protect Medicare: maybe, maybe not

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Nepotism: ja

Lose Vinson "armada": ja

Tweet yuuugely: ja

Learn fake China-Korean history: ja

Spend a fortune on vacations: ja
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Enable mentally ill people to get guns easily: ja

Encourage pollution of streams and rivers: ja

Remove rule that protects clients from bad advice from financial advisers: ja

Allow Internet service providers to sell customers’ data without permission: ja

U.S. out of the Trans-Pacific Partnership: ja

Remove federal funding from clinics that provide family planning: ja

Cancel all federal funding to so-called sanctuary cities: 8 of 'em and counting

Launch smear campaigns against Obama and Susan Rice using NSC: ja

Get self under FBI investigation for Russian ties and election tampering: ja

Gorsuch: but not without changing the rules
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Postby Xcalibur » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:56 am

I'm just so "negative" :lol:

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Xcalibur wrote:I'm just so "negative" :lol:

No {!#%@}, give the man his due :)
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Apr 22, 2017 6:42 am

scrmbldggs wrote:Goresuch rules... blech


Blech is right:

Lee was convicted of the 1993 strangulation of Debra Reese in a Little Rock suburb. He’s insisted upon his innocence from the day of his arrest through the night of his execution, begging the state for a DNA test to prove his innocence. The judge presiding over his initial trial later admitted to having a secret affair with one of the prosecutors. His attorney was also drunk during his trial.


No, no mitigating circumstances there at all, nothing to see here.

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:08 am

And an old deal with Bondi was apparently cleared but some stuff still smells bad.

http://www.politifact.com/florida/artic ... -pay-play/ wrote:
Donald Trump, Pam Bondi and $25K: Was it pay to play?

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Steven Cheung, a Trump spokesman, cited a New York Times article that said the investigation was never brought directly to Bondi’s office but instead was considered by lower-level staff members, who opted not to pursue the case.


One of them^?
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pol ... story.html wrote:WASHINGTON — As a top aide to Florida’s attorney general, Carlos Muniz helped defend the office’s decision to sit out legal action against Trump University. Now the president is naming him to be the top lawyer in the U.S. Education Department.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:27 am

Obama did what?... I better meet "a pair of former Colombian presidents at...Mar-a-Lago... – ...quietly."

The White House later confirmed the meeting to McClatchy but...saying it was a coincidence that both former leaders were at the club.

“They were there with a member from the club and briefly said hello when the president walked past them,” spokeswoman Sarah Huckabee Sanders told the herald. “There wasn’t anything beyond a quick hello.”

The former Colombian leader’s comments contradict that characterization.

Pastrana tweeted a message...thanking President Trump for the “cordial and very frank conversation” on problems in Colombia and the region as a whole...

The meeting comes ahead of President Trump’s first meeting with current Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos...

Santos is expected to ask Trump to support the peace accord and for Congress to uphold its $450 million in foreign aid promised by former president Barack Obama in order to put in place a plan to end the region’s longest armed conflict.



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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:33 am

scrmbldggs wrote:...meanwhile Trump scoffs at 100-day mark as ‘ridiculous standard’

The president appears to be managing expectations ahead of the historic milestone next Saturday.


“No matter how much I accomplish during the ridiculous standard of the first 100 days, & it has been a lot (including S.C.), media will kill!” Trump tweeted on Friday morning.

By Friday afternoon, Trump went further, arguing that next week is irrelevant.

“Next week doesn’t matter,” he told reporters...



That would be the same "ridiculous 100-day standard" that he repeatedly cited in his campaign pledge to the American people:

https://assets.donaldjtrump.com/_landin ... actv02.pdf

I love the second of these. I've seen similar idiocy before when Republicans at the state level introduced legislation to curb borrowing by insisting that two dollars of existing debt have to be paid off for each new dollar borrowed. And it NEVER occurred to them that if all the debt were paid off, the state couldn't borrow any money at all, or, in any case, the more debt you pay off, the less you can borrow.

On the one hand, he’s going to have a great 100 days; on the other hand, he IS having a great 100 days; then,…,on the third hand, it’s ridiculous to single out the first 100 days. That's Trump logic in its purest form. Well, he's following the lead of a great American author, whose writings are a match for Trump's tweets in terms of their bombastic meaninglessness:

Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote: A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Say what you think today in hard words, and tomorrow say what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict everything you said today.


There's the recipe for good government, from two of the most screwed-up morons this country has yet produced.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:41 am

Upton_O_Goode wrote:That would be the same "ridiculous 100-day standard" that he repeatedly cited in his campaign pledge to the American people. . . .

Like here in his campaign's late October 2016 "Donald Trump's Contract With The American Voter":
What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between myself and the American voter — and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington

Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following . . .

(Handy PDF of the "contract" not worth the paper . . . never mind.)
. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:44 am

Anybody read Shattered: Inside Hillary Clinton's Doomed Campaign by Jonathan Allen & Amie Parnes? The reviews, summaries, and TV interviews with the authors indicate that Clinton was everything I assumed . . .
. . . I mean Negative Capability, that is, when a man is capable of being in uncertainties, mysteries, doubts, without any irritable reaching after fact and reason—Coleridge, for instance, would let go by a fine isolated verisimilitude caught from the Penetralium of mystery, from being incapable of remaining content with half-knowledge. - John Keats, 1817

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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Gord » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:46 am

http://detroit.cbslocal.com/2017/04/21/ ... lvHSSwjycQ

Anti-Trump Agenda Protests Could Cost Washington Millions

For the current fiscal year, Congress has set aside $14.9 million to reimburse the city, and $3.8 million of that had already been spent by Jan. 1, which doesn’t include the women’s march. The city is also still seeking reimbursement for what it spent on the inauguration. While Congress allocated $19.9 million, the city spent more than $30 million.

By contrast, Congress gave $50 million to the cities that hosted last year’s presidential nominating conventions — much smaller events than the inauguration that attract a fraction of the crowd. Geldart said that if Congress makes the District whole for the inauguration, there should be enough to pay for the women’s march and all the other planned demonstrations. But there’s no guarantee they’ll be successful with a Republican Congress.

It’s also not clear which protests will gather momentum. City officials track bus, train, air and hotel bookings to get a sense of what to expect.

Among the groups that have asked the National Park Service for protest permits this spring, the March for Science, scheduled for Saturday, is promising the biggest crowd: 150,000 people.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:00 pm

Populism in Action

To help working Americans, yesterday Trump signed an order directing Treasury to review (and ultimately overturn - I think it takes 15 months plus) the following:

- rules the Obama administration had made against corporate inversions — these inversions are when US companies merge with foreign companies to get lower tax rates (Trump had said during the campaign that this practice was "one of the biggest problems" facing the country but now he wants to remove one of the obstacles to inversions)

- the Financial Stability Oversight Council (Dodd-Frank) — this is the group that designates certain entities as “too big to fail” and requires that they have sufficient capital reserves to protect them in 2008 type emergencies

- the Orderly Liquidation Authority (Dodd-Frank) — this provides for orderly unwinding of financial institutions ready to collapse in a 2008 like meltdown

This is basically the first step to get rid of some stuff Wall St wants to be gone, or, put another way, steps in Wall St's effort to unwind Dodd-Frank and reduce regulation of financial institutions and protections for the public created after 2008 . . .
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 22, 2017 12:55 pm

This Berkeley - Coulter deal is appalling. Let Coulter speak on campus, and let students protest and debate and argue with her and about what she says as much as they want. But let her speak. Who is afraid of Ann Coulter, fss? Disinviting Coulter, who is basically a provocateur and quipster, is doubly wrong, because it makes a statement about free inquiry (people's right to read "Love Story" or absorb the superficial antics and dishonesty of Coulter should be defended to the death) and it elevates a troll. If known groups threaten to use violence to shut Coulter down, that's all the more reason to defend the principle of the free exchange of ideas (or, in Coulter's case, vacuous slogans and dog whistles).

When did "left" wing students get so prissy? Not powerful, but weak and dainty. The argument that Trump has opened the floodgates of bigotry and some speakers or actions affirm his bigotry is both obvious and irrelevant. The "job" of people who want to tackle bigotry is to refute it, not pretend it doesn't exist or to shelter the like-minded from it. Prohibiting bigoted speech and ideas because there's more of them than one expected is neither right nor smart. A dangerous trend.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:53 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Upton_O_Goode wrote:That would be the same "ridiculous 100-day standard" that he repeatedly cited in his campaign pledge to the American people. . . .

Like here in his campaign's late October 2016 "Donald Trump's Contract With The American Voter":
What follows is my 100-day action plan to Make America Great Again. It is a contract between myself and the American voter — and begins with restoring honesty, accountability and change to Washington

Therefore, on the first day of my term of office, my administration will immediately pursue the following . . .

(Handy PDF of the "contract" not worth the paper . . . never mind.)


I see I didn't need to edit my post to include the link. You beat me in by one minute!
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Apr 22, 2017 3:52 pm

Ah, Josh "John" Marshall, writing the best headline since the inauguration of this so-called president: "To Scare Dems, Trump Threatens to Light Himself On Fire".

Choice bits:
It ... never occurred to anyone before now that there would be a shutdown crisis when one party had unified control of the entire government still less that a President whose party controlled Congress would threaten to shut the government down to extort policy concessions from a party that controls nothing.

And yet, here we are.

And:
In other words, President Trump is now threatening the Democrats with doing the thing that terrified many Republicans out of repealing Obamacare only a month ago.

We have already seen from the repeal fight that those developments are politically toxic. President Trump and his aides appear to view Obamacare beneficiaries as Democrats’ charges, something akin to family members the President can take hostage and threaten to injure or kill to extort concessions. This is a rather dire miscalculation of the politics of the situation.

And:
So, let’s review. The President is demanding Democrats vote funds for his deeply unpopular wall which he promised Mexico would pay for or he’ll try to sabotage Obamacare exchanges in a way likely to damage him and congressional Republicans. This is an almost comically weak political hand.

Right. This is Trump, unable to govern even with a majority, running an extortion racket like a two-bit mob thug. Let's be plain about that.

The Dems' stance here is easy: clean CR. Anything else is BS, and any BS Trump tries is on him.

And many Republicans in Congress likely realize this and are likely more terrified by the orange man-child's latest tantrum than anyone else is. Last night on TV news, for example, the Republicans' Trump-imposed predicament, and discomfiture, came into sharp relief. This was especially true when Chris Hayes grilled a GOP member of the House Ways and Means - the House! which his party controls! - and the poor guy - give him credit for keeping his composure - looked in pain as he kept telling Hayes, sticking on funding the Wall for the wall next week is a bad idea, doing a quid pro quo on the Wall and Obamacare next week is a bad idea, reviving the healthcare bill next week is a bad idea, trying a tax-cut kickstart next week is a bad idea. His focus: funding the government and doing so with a continuing resolution without pet provisions from either side. He said that a funding measure can be done, although it's not easy, and that anything else next week only makes it harder.

My takeaway: the Dems hold the winning cards on the shutdown, kind of a full house to a pair. Let the infant with the pair rage and bluster and boast - but by all means call his bluff. Most Americans don't want Trump's Wall, most Americans don't want to blow up healthcare. So why would anyone be happy when Trump blows up healthcare to pay for the Wall? It's hatstand. But the Democrats have to be firm and they have to frame this right.

Where's Jethro?
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:28 pm

Trying to convince authorities that the lady found dead from natural causes in a parked car close to his/her/it's work was killed by her own husband, who - from what georgie gathered about their posts on social media about the woman's sudden disappearance - must have had an affair with her sister . :scratch:

I kinda do hope that they have taken him/her/it in...
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:17 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Ah, Josh "John" Marshall, writing the best headline since the inauguration of this so-called president: "To Scare Dems, Trump Threatens to Light Himself On Fire".


And then he'll hold his breath until he passes out unless those mean Democrats give him what he wants. I hope enough moderate Republicans will vote against this in the House to kill it. If not, given the slime pit that the Republican Senate caucus is, we'll just have to settle for a filibuster, and dare McConnell to kill the filibuster totally. The Democrats had better NOT cave on this. They really have nothing to lose here, as whatever happens now will be completely forgotten anyway by next year.

Statistical Mechanic wrote:The Dems' stance here is easy: clean CR. Anything else is BS, and any BS Trump tries is on him. But the Democrats have to be firm and they have to frame this right.


Absolutely, and the right way to frame it is to rub Trump's nose in his own pile of {!#%@}. If Trump can't govern when his party controls both houses of Congress, it should be possible to blame him for any shutdown, just as Marshall says. I'm more confident now than I was before reading Marshall's piece.

But I'm still not as confident as he seems to be. The Republicans MIGHT be able to sell people on the idea that they aren't cutting out Obamacare benefits, only leaving states the option to do so if they want to. In other words, Congress will be the good cops, and the state governments the bad cops. I hope that won't work, but the Democrats will have to crank up the publicity in order to spin things differently. It all depends on convincing a bunch of moderate Republicans that they're going to get burned if they even endanger these benefits.
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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Postby Upton_O_Goode » Sat Apr 22, 2017 7:24 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:This Berkeley - Coulter deal is appalling. Let Coulter speak on campus, and let students protest and debate and argue with her and about what she says as much as they want. But let her speak. Who is afraid of Ann Coulter, fss? Disinviting Coulter, who is basically a provocateur and quipster, is doubly wrong, because it makes a statement about free inquiry (people's right to read "Love Story" or absorb the superficial antics and dishonesty of Coulter should be defended to the death) and it elevates a troll. If known groups threaten to use violence to shut Coulter down, that's all the more reason to defend the principle of the free exchange of ideas (or, in Coulter's case, vacuous slogans and dog whistles).

When did "left" wing students get so prissy? Not powerful, but weak and dainty. The argument that Trump has opened the floodgates of bigotry and some speakers or actions affirm his bigotry is both obvious and irrelevant. The "job" of people who want to tackle bigotry is to refute it, not pretend it doesn't exist or to shelter the like-minded from it. Prohibiting bigoted speech and ideas because there's more of them than one expected is neither right nor smart. A dangerous trend.


Yes, this is an area where we can agree with the Republicans. We need to cling to these tiny areas of agreement. Coulter is a brainless bomb-thrower, the loosest of all loose cannons, but if a campus group wants to hear her speak, they should be allowed to do so.
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