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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:00 pm

My answer is that the graves that contain crushed and burned bone fragments such as graves #3/4/5/7 and others totally debunk you.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Darren Wilshak » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:00 pm

I saw that as well Oozy. The part where he avoids explaining who either he is or Nafcash...

We never get to the bottom of his supposed authority either. Nobody ever does, soon he will say that such and such is waiting for confirmation by NAFH as he did with his other ball game until a mod chucked him off for receiving answers and continuing to ask the same questions.

Appeal to a spurious authority which has no authority outside Greg's consciousness and creativity and anyone who is daft or innocent enough to be taken in by it.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:01 pm

4 down and 20 to go:

Factchecker wrote:This is the statement of fact that I'm checking:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations and insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five so-called “holocaust sites” in which actual verified human remains have literally been physically unearthed / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic archaeology; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/


To be more specific, at the moment I'm checking its veracity as it relates to Sobibor, because the "huge mass grave" that is mentioned above as containing 6 people was "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" at Sobibor.

And here is a photo of that grave:

Image

And here are the two maps that show the 24 "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" graves at of Sobibor:

The first 18 graves / cremation pits are shown in this map:

Image

And the other 6 are shown in this map:

Image

And here is how the 24 graves are numbered:

And here is how Haimi's numbers correspond to THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE
( http://nafcash.com/ ) numbering system:


Haimi's "grave" #1 A = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #1/62

Haimi's "grave" #2 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #2/63

Haimi's "Memory Hill" (AKA the - "monument of ashes / mound of remains") = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #3/64

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #3/4 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #4/65

Haimi's "grave" #5 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #5/66

Haimi's "grave" #6 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #6/67

Haimi's "grave" #7 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #7/68

Haimi's "grave" #8 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #8/69

Haimi's "grave" #9 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #9/70

Haimi's "grave" #10 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #10/71

Haimi's "grave" #11 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #11/72

Haimi's "grave" #12 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #12/73

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #12 (on the right) contains the remains of only six people:

Image

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
In Grave 12, six fully extended skeletons were discovered, together with boots, shoes, a belt buckle, a pen knife and remains textiles.


Haimi's "grave" #13 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #13/74

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #13 (on the left) contains the remains of only one person:

Image

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
In Grave 13, another fully extended skeleton was uncovered.


Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #14 contains the remains of only one person:

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
Grave 14, was uncovered several meters southeast of the crematorium (Figs. 2 and 18). This grave contained the remains of a fully extended skeleton with a shell cartridge lodged in the right arm.


Haimi's "grave" #15 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #15/76

Haimi's "grave" #16 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #16/77

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #16 contains the remains of only two people.



Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
East of the southern boundary of Grave No. 4, a second grave, Grave No. 16, was uncovered. The grave contained two human skeletons (Fig. 12), the heads of which were oriented eastwards. Pieces of cloth, a penknife and a few metal artifacts were discovered next to the remains.


Haimi's "grave" #17 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #17/78

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #18 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #18/79

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #19 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #19/80

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #20 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #20/81

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #21 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #21/82

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #22 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #22/83

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #1 B = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #23/84

Haimi's "grave" #1 C = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #24/85


Note: "Graves #21 and #22" are actually labeled by Yoram Haimi as "Objects 6094-6095." However, you cannot see his numbers clearly in the map, so #21 and #22 have used instead. (The numbers are in red, below the orange colored "graves.")

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=224 ... count=2826


And lastly, these are the twoe simple questions that are being asked:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question ( https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 25#p649864 ) that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


The correct answer to the above questions is somewhere between 0 and 24.

If the answers are 0, then the statement of fact that we are checking is true.

If the answers are somewhere between 1-24, then the statement of fact that we are checking is false.


And here are the answers i've gotten so far:

Jeffk 1970 (Zero)

Statistical Mechanic (Zero)

scrmbldggs (Zero)

Balmoral95 (Zero)

Denying-History (Zero)

Aaron Richards (Zero)

Darren Wilshak (Zero)

Reaktori (Zero)

Oozy_Substance (It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.)
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:05 pm

Haimi wrote:The excavation revealed the remains of whole and crushed human bones from the surface to a depth of ca. 3 meters (Fig 13).


There you go. Seven people cannot be reduced to bones that totally fill a 3-meters deep pit. In this pit there are more than seven people buried.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:08 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:
Haimi wrote:The excavation revealed the remains of whole and crushed human bones from the surface to a depth of ca. 3 meters (Fig 13).


There you go. Seven people cannot be reduced to bones that totally fill a 3-meters deep pit. In this pit there are more than seven people buried.

Greg's status : DEBUNKED.


A three meter deep pit toally filled with the remains of human beings.

Show us the proof Oozy, and I'll record it below.

Factchecker wrote:This is the statement of fact that I'm checking:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations and insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five so-called “holocaust sites” in which actual verified human remains have literally been physically unearthed / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic archaeology; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/


To be more specific, at the moment I'm checking its veracity as it relates to Sobibor, because the "huge mass grave" that is mentioned above as containing 6 people was "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" at Sobibor.

And here is a photo of that grave:

Image

And here are the two maps that show the 24 "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" graves at of Sobibor:

The first 18 graves / cremation pits are shown in this map:

Image

And the other 6 are shown in this map:

Image

And here is how the 24 graves are numbered:

And here is how Haimi's numbers correspond to THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE
( http://nafcash.com/ ) numbering system:


Haimi's "grave" #1 A = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #1/62

Haimi's "grave" #2 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #2/63

Haimi's "Memory Hill" (AKA the - "monument of ashes / mound of remains") = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #3/64

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #3/4 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #4/65

Haimi's "grave" #5 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #5/66

Haimi's "grave" #6 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #6/67

Haimi's "grave" #7 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #7/68

Haimi's "grave" #8 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #8/69

Haimi's "grave" #9 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #9/70

Haimi's "grave" #10 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #10/71

Haimi's "grave" #11 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #11/72

Haimi's "grave" #12 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #12/73

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #12 (on the right) contains the remains of only six people:

Image

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
In Grave 12, six fully extended skeletons were discovered, together with boots, shoes, a belt buckle, a pen knife and remains textiles.


Haimi's "grave" #13 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #13/74

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #13 (on the left) contains the remains of only one person:

Image

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
In Grave 13, another fully extended skeleton was uncovered.


Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #14 contains the remains of only one person:

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
Grave 14, was uncovered several meters southeast of the crematorium (Figs. 2 and 18). This grave contained the remains of a fully extended skeleton with a shell cartridge lodged in the right arm.


Haimi's "grave" #15 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #15/76

Haimi's "grave" #16 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #16/77

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #16 contains the remains of only two people.



Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
East of the southern boundary of Grave No. 4, a second grave, Grave No. 16, was uncovered. The grave contained two human skeletons (Fig. 12), the heads of which were oriented eastwards. Pieces of cloth, a penknife and a few metal artifacts were discovered next to the remains.


Haimi's "grave" #17 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #17/78

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #18 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #18/79

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #19 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #19/80

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #20 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #20/81

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #21 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #21/82

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #22 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #22/83

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #1 B = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #23/84

Haimi's "grave" #1 C = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #24/85


Note: "Graves #21 and #22" are actually labeled by Yoram Haimi as "Objects 6094-6095." However, you cannot see his numbers clearly in the map, so #21 and #22 have used instead. (The numbers are in red, below the orange colored "graves.")

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=224 ... count=2826


And lastly, these are the twoe simple questions that are being asked:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question ( https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 25#p649864 ) that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


The correct answer to the above questions is somewhere between 0 and 24.

If the answers are 0, then the statement of fact that we are checking is true.

If the answers are somewhere between 1-24, then the statement of fact that we are checking is false.


And here are the answers i've gotten so far:

Jeffk 1970 (Zero)

Statistical Mechanic (Zero)

scrmbldggs (Zero)

Balmoral95 (Zero)

Denying-History (Zero)

Aaron Richards (Zero)

Darren Wilshak (Zero)

Reaktori (Zero)

Oozy_Substance (It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.)
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:10 pm

Not a valid feedback !

Greg's status : DEBUNKED !

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:12 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:
Haimi wrote:The excavation revealed the remains of whole and crushed human bones from the surface to a depth of ca. 3 meters (Fig 13).


There you go. Seven people cannot be reduced to bones that totally fill a 3-meters deep pit. In this pit there are more than seven people buried.

Greg's status : DEBUNKED.


A three meter deep pit toally filled with the remains of human beings? At Sobibor?

Tell us the grave number and show us the proof Oozy, and I'll record it below.

Factchecker wrote:This is the statement of fact that I'm checking:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations and insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five so-called “holocaust sites” in which actual verified human remains have literally been physically unearthed / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic archaeology; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/


To be more specific, at the moment I'm checking its veracity as it relates to Sobibor, because the "huge mass grave" that is mentioned above as containing 6 people was "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" at Sobibor.

And here is a photo of that grave:

Image

And here are the two maps that show the 24 "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" graves at of Sobibor:

The first 18 graves / cremation pits are shown in this map:

Image

And the other 6 are shown in this map:

Image

And here is how the 24 graves are numbered:

And here is how Haimi's numbers correspond to THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE
( http://nafcash.com/ ) numbering system:


Haimi's "grave" #1 A = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #1/62

Haimi's "grave" #2 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #2/63

Haimi's "Memory Hill" (AKA the - "monument of ashes / mound of remains") = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #3/64

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #3/4 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #4/65

Haimi's "grave" #5 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #5/66

Haimi's "grave" #6 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #6/67

Haimi's "grave" #7 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #7/68

Haimi's "grave" #8 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #8/69

Haimi's "grave" #9 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #9/70

Haimi's "grave" #10 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #10/71

Haimi's "grave" #11 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #11/72

Haimi's "grave" #12 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #12/73

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #12 (on the right) contains the remains of only six people:

Image

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
In Grave 12, six fully extended skeletons were discovered, together with boots, shoes, a belt buckle, a pen knife and remains textiles.


Haimi's "grave" #13 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #13/74

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #13 (on the left) contains the remains of only one person:

Image

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
In Grave 13, another fully extended skeleton was uncovered.


Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #14 contains the remains of only one person:

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
Grave 14, was uncovered several meters southeast of the crematorium (Figs. 2 and 18). This grave contained the remains of a fully extended skeleton with a shell cartridge lodged in the right arm.


Haimi's "grave" #15 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #15/76

Haimi's "grave" #16 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #16/77

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #16 contains the remains of only two people.



Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
East of the southern boundary of Grave No. 4, a second grave, Grave No. 16, was uncovered. The grave contained two human skeletons (Fig. 12), the heads of which were oriented eastwards. Pieces of cloth, a penknife and a few metal artifacts were discovered next to the remains.


Haimi's "grave" #17 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #17/78

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #18 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #18/79

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #19 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #19/80

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #20 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #20/81

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #21 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #21/82

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #22 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #22/83

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #1 B = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #23/84

Haimi's "grave" #1 C = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #24/85


Note: "Graves #21 and #22" are actually labeled by Yoram Haimi as "Objects 6094-6095." However, you cannot see his numbers clearly in the map, so #21 and #22 have used instead. (The numbers are in red, below the orange colored "graves.")

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=224 ... count=2826


And lastly, these are the twoe simple questions that are being asked:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question ( https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 25#p649864 ) that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


The correct answer to the above questions is somewhere between 0 and 24.

If the answers are 0, then the statement of fact that we are checking is true.

If the answers are somewhere between 1-24, then the statement of fact that we are checking is false.


And here are the answers i've gotten so far:

Jeffk 1970 (Zero)

Statistical Mechanic (Zero)

scrmbldggs (Zero)

Balmoral95 (Zero)

Denying-History (Zero)

Aaron Richards (Zero)

Darren Wilshak (Zero)

Reaktori (Zero)

Oozy_Substance (It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.)

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:16 pm

Grave #7 debunks Greg as well.

Tonight, Greg is debunked.

Haimi wrote:A third grave, Grave 7, is located in Hectare XVIII (Fig 2). Eleven excavation squares
covering an area of 275 square meters were opened over Grave 7. The area was found
to be heavily disturbed and contained the remains of human bones, artifacts and ash to
a depth of 0.5 meters.


The grave I posted about above is grave #2.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:17 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:
Haimi wrote:The excavation revealed the remains of whole and crushed human bones from the surface to a depth of ca. 3 meters (Fig 13).


There you go. Seven people cannot be reduced to bones that totally fill a 3-meters deep pit. In this pit there are more than seven people buried.

Greg's status : DEBUNKED.


A three meter deep pit toally filled with the remains of human beings? At Sobibor?

Tell us the grave number and show us the proof Oozy, and I'll record it below.

Oozy:

The grave I posted about above is grave #2.


Let's see the proof Oozy.

Factchecker wrote:This is the statement of fact that I'm checking:

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II - hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of corpses were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations and insinuations to the contrary, the simple truth is; the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the - one hundred - graves / cremation pits that are alleged to have been scientifically located / proven to currently exist at these five so-called “holocaust sites” in which actual verified human remains have literally been physically unearthed / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented forensic archaeology; contains the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

http://nafcash.com/


To be more specific, at the moment I'm checking its veracity as it relates to Sobibor, because the "huge mass grave" that is mentioned above as containing 6 people was "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" at Sobibor.

And here is a photo of that grave:

Image

And here are the two maps that show the 24 "scientifically located / proven to currently exist" graves at of Sobibor:

The first 18 graves / cremation pits are shown in this map:

Image

And the other 6 are shown in this map:

Image

And here is how the 24 graves are numbered:

And here is how Haimi's numbers correspond to THE HOLOCAUST ARCHAEOLOGY HOAX CHALLENGE
( http://nafcash.com/ ) numbering system:


Haimi's "grave" #1 A = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #1/62

Haimi's "grave" #2 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #2/63

Haimi's "Memory Hill" (AKA the - "monument of ashes / mound of remains") = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #3/64

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #3/4 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #4/65

Haimi's "grave" #5 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #5/66

Haimi's "grave" #6 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #6/67

Haimi's "grave" #7 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #7/68

Haimi's "grave" #8 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #8/69

Haimi's "grave" #9 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #9/70

Haimi's "grave" #10 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #10/71

Haimi's "grave" #11 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #11/72

Haimi's "grave" #12 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #12/73

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #12 (on the right) contains the remains of only six people:

Image

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
In Grave 12, six fully extended skeletons were discovered, together with boots, shoes, a belt buckle, a pen knife and remains textiles.


Haimi's "grave" #13 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #13/74

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #13 (on the left) contains the remains of only one person:

Image

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
In Grave 13, another fully extended skeleton was uncovered.


Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #14 contains the remains of only one person:

Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
Grave 14, was uncovered several meters southeast of the crematorium (Figs. 2 and 18). This grave contained the remains of a fully extended skeleton with a shell cartridge lodged in the right arm.


Haimi's "grave" #15 (8/15) = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #15/76

Haimi's "grave" #16 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #16/77

Oozy has been caught in a lie and has been forced to admit that Sobibor "huge mass grave" #16 contains the remains of only two people.



Oozy:

Haimi wrote:
East of the southern boundary of Grave No. 4, a second grave, Grave No. 16, was uncovered. The grave contained two human skeletons (Fig. 12), the heads of which were oriented eastwards. Pieces of cloth, a penknife and a few metal artifacts were discovered next to the remains.


Haimi's "grave" #17 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #17/78

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #18 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #18/79

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #19 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #19/80

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #20 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #20/81

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #21 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #21/82

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #22 = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #22/83

Oozy has admitted that Haimi did not, and that he himself cannot, prove that this "huge mass grave" contains the remains of at least 7 people.

Haimi's "grave" #1 B = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #23/84

Haimi's "grave" #1 C = The H.A.H.C. "huge mass grave" #24/85


Note: "Graves #21 and #22" are actually labeled by Yoram Haimi as "Objects 6094-6095." However, you cannot see his numbers clearly in the map, so #21 and #22 have used instead. (The numbers are in red, below the orange colored "graves.")

https://vnnforum.com/showpost.php?p=224 ... count=2826


And lastly, these are the twoe simple questions that are being asked:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question ( https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 25#p649864 ) that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


The correct answer to the above questions is somewhere between 0 and 24.

If the answers are 0, then the statement of fact that we are checking is true.

If the answers are somewhere between 1-24, then the statement of fact that we are checking is false.


And here are the answers i've gotten so far:

Jeffk 1970 (Zero)

Statistical Mechanic (Zero)

scrmbldggs (Zero)

Balmoral95 (Zero)

Denying-History (Zero)

Aaron Richards (Zero)

Darren Wilshak (Zero)

Reaktori (Zero)

Oozy_Substance (It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.)

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:20 pm

"Grave No. 2" in the following link :

http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploa ... to,-34,800

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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:23 pm

Oozy's allegation:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried.


Oozy's "proof:"

Haimi wrote:
The excavation revealed the remains of whole and crushed human bones from the surface to a depth of ca. 3 meters (Fig 13).

http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploa ... to,-34,800


The number of people who agree that Oozy just prove that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:
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Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:26 pm

Wait, it gets better :

Haimi wrote:Near the center of Grave 2, the rabbinical supervisor requested that we refrain from excavating due to the presence of greater quantities of human remains.


There was a spot in Grave 2 where there were more bones than the spot in which bones are buried from the surface to 3 meters deep.
In other words, no chance of only seven people being buried in this grave.

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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:27 pm

Factchecker wrote:Oozy's allegation:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried.


Oozy's "proof:"

Haimi wrote:
The excavation revealed the remains of whole and crushed human bones from the surface to a depth of ca. 3 meters (Fig 13).

http://sobibor.info.pl/wp-content/uploa ... to,-34,800


The number of people who agree that Oozy just prove that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

#1 - Oozy - Yes.

Jeffk 1970 ?

Statistical Mechanic ?

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 ?

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak ?

Reaktori ?
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:28 pm

This is s boring as any GG thread from back in the day.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:29 pm

Uh-oh.
When my son had his barmitzvah, and his wedding, there was no family whatsoever -that’s the way the second and third generation feel the Holocaust, they miss their family. My son hasn’t experienced a family life –having uncles, aunts, grandmothers, grandfathers. There is just that hole.
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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:29 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:This is s boring as any GG thread from back in the day.


SM, is your answer to the following two questions:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question ( https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 25#p649864 ) that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


still zero?

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:32 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Uh-oh.


Well, color me shocked, I saw Pyrro make an appearance yet Greg is still with us.
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Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:35 pm

Greg fails to realize his 4 graves with intact skeletons work against him.
There is no reason for the Nazis to bury some individuals intact and crush and burn some other individuals. The only explanation for the crushing and burning is mass killing.

Now we got grave #2, with many bone fragments, in one point it's down deep to three meters. In another point it's even more than that.

Obviously more than 7 people. Proven.

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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:36 pm

Factchecker wrote:
Factchecker wrote:Oozy's allegation:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried.


Oozy's "proof:"



The number of people who agree that Oozy just proved that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

Jeffk 1970 ?

Statistical Mechanic ?

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 ?

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak ?

Reaktori ?



Still waiting for any of the above posters to agree with Oozy.

This is what Oozy claims to have proven:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question ( https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 25#p649864 ) that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.
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Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:40 pm

Greg, no reason for the Nazis to bury 6 men intact in a grave (Grave #12) and to grind down and burn others (Grave #2). If grave #2 contained only seven people, they all would have been intact. You don't set up a crematoria for seven people.

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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:41 pm

Factchecker wrote:
Factchecker wrote:Oozy's allegation:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried.


Oozy's "proof:"



The number of people who agree that Oozy just proved that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

Jeffk 1970 ?

Statistical Mechanic ?

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 ?

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak ?

Reaktori ?



Still waiting for any of the above posters to agree with Oozy.

This is what Oozy claims to have proven about grave #2:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:42 pm

Damn, the record is still skipping.
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:44 pm

Gred wants us to believe the Nazis buried 6 intact people in Grave #12 and then set up a bone-crusher and crematoria to crush, burn and bury the remains of 6 people in Grave #2.

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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:44 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Damn, the record is still skipping.



The number of people who agree that Oozy just proved that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

Jeffk 1970 ?

Statistical Mechanic - No.

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 ?

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak ?

Reaktori ?

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:46 pm

Haimi records the bones he found in Grave #2 in Fig 11 - they are scattered all around.
The dimensions of the trench dug is 5x15x3, bones were found down to the depth of 3 meters.

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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 8:49 pm

Oozy's allegation:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried... Obviously more than 7 people. Proven.


Oozy's "proof:"



The number of people who agree that Oozy just proved (see the two relevant questions below) that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

Jeffk 1970 ?

Statistical Mechanic - No.

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 ?

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak ?

Reaktori ?



This is what Oozy claims to have proven about grave #2:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


Oozy's answers are:

It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.


Learn more about his lies here:

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27707&start=360#p650094

(He's already been caught in 4.)

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:07 pm

Greg became addicted to his own lies.
Never had I stated Graves 12,13,14 and 16 are mass graves. Greg did.
Never had I stated Grave 2 is a mass grave. Haimi specifically says it isn't. Grave 2 is not a mass grave, but it does contain dead people, surely more than 7.

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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:08 pm

Oozy's allegation:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried... Obviously more than 7 people. Proven... it does contain dead people, surely more than 7.


Oozy's "proof:"



The number of people who agree that Oozy just proved (see the two relevant questions below) that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

Jeffk 1970 ?

Statistical Mechanic - No.

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 ?

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak ?

Reaktori ?



This is what Oozy claims to have proven about grave #2:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


Oozy's answers are:

It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.


Learn more about Oozy's lies here:

viewtopic.php?f=39&t=27707&start=360#p650094

(He's already been caught in 4.)
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:14 pm

Gred, an extremely low-iq person, keeps on claiming I've been caught up in 4 lies, forgetting to mention that he was the only one lying about these 4 graves being labeled as "huge mass graves" by Haimi. The label comes from Greg, a person addicted to lies.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:19 pm

Here, in this video, Haimi speaks of the layers of bones he found in one of the graves :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikkp7Qrknrk&t=43m13s

According to Greg, less than seven people are buried here.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Balmoral95 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:23 pm

Oozy_Substance wrote:Here, in this video, Haimi speaks of the layers of bones he found in one of the graves :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikkp7Qrknrk&t=43m13s

According to Greg, less than seven people are buried here.


Hebrew school was a long time ago ;)

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Oozy_Substance » Sat Jul 07, 2018 9:32 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Oozy_Substance wrote:Here, in this video, Haimi speaks of the layers of bones he found in one of the graves :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikkp7Qrknrk&t=43m13s

According to Greg, less than seven people are buried here.


Hebrew school was a long time ago ;)


He basically says that human ashes and crushed bones were found in the last 70 centimeters of the grave and that it was still smelly 70 years later. He also says it's the last grave the Germans used and that they did not end up filling it.

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Postby Factchecker » Sat Jul 07, 2018 10:28 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Oozy_Substance wrote:Here, in this video, Haimi speaks of the layers of bones he found in one of the graves :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ikkp7Qrknrk&t=43m13s

According to Greg, less than seven people are buried here.


Hebrew school was a long time ago ;)


Oozy's allegation:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried... Obviously more than 7 people. Proven... it does contain dead people, surely more than 7.


Oozy's "proof:"



The number of people who agree that Oozy just proved (see the two relevant questions below) that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

Jeffk 1970 ?

Statistical Mechanic - No.

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 - No.

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak ?

Reaktori ?



This is what Oozy claims to have proven about grave #2:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


Oozy's answers are:

It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.


Learn more about Oozy's lies here:

https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 60#p650094

(He's already been caught in 4.)[/quote]

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Postby Pyrrho » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:07 pm

Didn't I ban Greg Gerdes from this forum multiple times?
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Balmoral95 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:18 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Didn't I ban Greg Gerdes from this forum multiple times?


At least once since I started here...

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Darren Wilshak » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:29 pm

Hmmm.

I imagine you have.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Jul 07, 2018 11:56 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Didn't I ban Greg Gerdes from this forum multiple times?



Well, we always enjoy it when you do.
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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Factchecker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:20 am

Oozy's allegation:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried... Obviously more than 7 people. Proven... it does contain dead people, surely more than 7.


Oozy's "proof:"



Photos of Sobibor "huge mass grave" #2:



And a slightly different version of Haimie's Fig. 13 photo of of Sobibor's "huge mass grave" #2 (it looks like it was taken earlier than Haimi's photo) taken by W. Mazurak:



And so we conclude that Oozy's allegation about Sobibor's "huge mass grave" #2:

In this pit (grave #2) there are more than seven people buried... Obviously more than 7 people. Proven... it does contain dead people, surely more than 7.


Is lie #5.

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Factchecker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:39 am

Darren Wilshak wrote:Hmmm.

I imagine you have.


The number of people who agree that Oozy just proved (see the two relevant questions below) that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

Jeffk 1970 ?

Statistical Mechanic - No.

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 - No.

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak - No.

Reaktori ?



This is what Oozy claims to have proven about grave #2:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


Oozy's answers are:

It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.


Learn more about his lies here:

https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 60#p650094

(He's already been caught in 4.)

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Re: Hoax quotes fact checking

Postby Factchecker » Sun Jul 08, 2018 12:41 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:Didn't I ban Greg Gerdes from this forum multiple times?



Well, we always enjoy it when you do.


The number of people who agree that Oozy just proved (see the two relevant questions below) that grave #2 currently contains the remains of at least 7 people:

Jeffk 1970 - No.

Statistical Mechanic - No.

scrmbldggs ?

Balmoral95 - No.

Denying-History ?

Aaron Richards ?

Darren Wilshak - No.

Reaktori ?



This is what Oozy claims to have proven about grave #2:

#1 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that Yoram Haimi has proven - via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology - that currently contain the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.

#2 - The MAXIMUM number of the 24 claimed / alleged / insinuated - discernable / measurable extant graves / cremation pits of Sobibor in question that you can currently prove - with the same standard of proof applied in U.S. criminal courts - that have actually been located / proven to exist in which legitimate archaeologists / forensic investigators have, via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented methodology - literally unearthed the remains of at least 7 people; is no less than __?__.


Oozy's answers are:

It's 16... Which 16, he asks. The 16 graves Haimi unearthed and found human remains in them and which he labeled graves 1 to 16.


Learn more about his lies here:

https://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic. ... 60#p650094

(He's already been caught in 4.)


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