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German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 7:48 pm

In this post I wanted to discuss how food and the lack there of led to the murder of some two million Polish Jews, most of them in the Action Reinhard Camps in 1942.
At this point my primary source is Gerlach's "The Extermination of the European Jews." This is from the section of the book titled "Logics of Persecution," Chapter 9, "Hunger Policies and Mass Murder." I will also include other sources where I can.

A major concern for Adolf Hitler and others within the Nazi Government was the morale of the German people. Hitler believed that food scarcity drove the discontent of the Germans during WW I, causing unrest and later revolution. He wanted to avoid this by making sure that Germany was always well supplied with food and it was a driving consideration for the seizure of Ukraine, a breadbasket he thought the Soviets poorly managed (Snyder, Bloodlands). This also extended to the annexed Polish lands, Greiser described them as a "grain factory," words that accurately described what Hitler and Goering wanted from those regions (as well as supplying Polish workers and lands for resettlement).

The problem was that the General Government itself was a food deficit area, exacerbated by the concentration of German troops in 1941 in preparation for the invasion of the Soviet Union. This influx of troops led to drastic cuts in official rations for both Poles and Jewish Poles, with the Jews left with the lowest official rations. This led to a massive increase in starvation related deaths in the closed Warsaw Ghetto.

As a result, both Jewish and non-Jewish Poles began to heavily rely on the black market. Jews had less opportunities to utilize the black market because they could not move about freely, had fewer opportunities for employment and saw their cash and asset reserves dwindle. In 1941 the civil administration enacted a new order authorizing the shooting of Jews found outside the ghettos without a permit.

The Germans became concerned over this for the following reasons:
1) Farmers preferred to sell their products on the black market because they profited a great deal by these transactions.
2) Workers spent a great deal of time procuring food, leading to absences in the work place and loss of productivity. This in turn led to companies hiring more workers to compensate.
As a result the Germans saw a need to find solutions to fix these problems.

1941 saw increasing lethal actions in Poland against the Jews. A famine caused by a flood in the District of Galicia resulted in mass shootings of Jews in the area. These killings resumed in the Spring of 1942 as a way of eliminating the black market issue (and was praised as such in documents during that time period).

At the same there was a dawning realization that the war in the Soviet Union would continue into 1942 and that the hinterlands of the Soviet Union were not a short term option (Snyder, Bloodlands). On October 13th, 1941 Rosenberg told Hans Frank that deporting the Jews from the General Government was not going to happen in the short term, on the same day Himmler commissioned Globocnik to erect Belzec, the first extermination camp in the General Government (Chelmno was in the Warthegau, not the General Government). After a meeting in Berlin, Frank told his administrators on December 16th that the decision to murder the Jews was settled but that he did not know how this was to happen (my paraphrase). At Wansee Buhler, the State Secretary of the General Government, urged that the Polish Jews be killed quicker because of the danger of Jews spreading epidemics and their involvement in the black market. Buhler added that transportation and labor concerns were not an issue.

Going back to the food issue:
By May of 1942 it became apparent that much of the German grain crop was destroyed by the harsh winter. Accordingly, Goering raised the export quotas for food in the occupied territories, including the General Government, usually a net food importer. As a result, in August of 1942 the administration cut food rations to the Poles, including 1.2 million Jews that would no longer receive food. The administration did allow food for 300,000 Jewish workers. Even then, representatives told the armament Inspection of the General Government:
"We must come off the position that the Jew is irreplaceable, according to the opinion of (Goering). Neither the Armament Inspection nor the other authorities in the General Government will keep their Jews until the end of the war." (Gerlach)

As a result, the Germans murdered 750,000 Jews in the General Government from July-September of 1942, with an additional number, 400,000, murdered from October-December of 1942. This same need for food and to eliminate "useless mouths" drove the murder of 300,000 Jews initially spared for labor in the Western Ukraine from August-November of 1942. Reich Commissioner Koch, after a meeting with Hitler on August 28th, 1942, returned to the Ukraine calling for immediate large scale food exports to Germany. Three days after this the Security Police Commander informed his men that
"The actions are to be speeded up in a way that they are to be finished in five weeks....it has been clarified that generally one hundred percent solutions are carried out..."

In a way this turned out to be a success. For the most part the General Government succeeded in matching its quota. In the Fall of 1943 the General Government actually raised the rations for Poles in the General Government. This also stabilized the food situation in the Reich until 1944.

So, to conclude, ideology and the food crisis went hand in hand in the mass destruction of the Jews in the General Government. A very interesting point that Gerlach makes is that the Germans failed, in large part, to starve the Jews in the General Government because of the access to the black market. It simply wasn't possible to completely shut the ghettos off from the outside world. This worked differently in the camps because security was better...but that the Germans did not have the capacity or the time to erect giant camps to intern the Jews in. They did for the Soviet POWs but that's a different topic.

I'm going to add to this, I want to look at Arad, the White Paper and Cesarani but this is a start.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Monstrous » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:09 pm

So Jews are supposed to have been killed due to resource shortages?

Then it makes even less sense to waste gigantic resources on killing them, burying them, digging them up, cutting down several forests for fuel, building enormous pyres and burning the corpses on them instead of in more efficient crematoria, and then burying the massive remains again

By the way, the whole gigantic digging up, cutting downs forests, burning, burying the remains again, operation was completely pointless and wasteful with resources since there were still enormous remains left behind after the burning.
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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:10 pm

Hunh?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:12 pm

Monstrous somehow keeps insisting that the Nazis were a sensible crowd. Infatuated much?

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:13 pm

Monstrous wrote:...By the way, the whole gigantic burning operation was completely pointless and wasteful with resources since there were still enormous remains left behind after the burning.

Aha...

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:17 pm

Monstrous wrote:So Jews are supposed to have been killed due to resource shortages?

Then it makes even less sense to waste gigantic resources on killing them, burying them, digging them up, cutting down several forests for fuel, building enormous pyres and burning the corpses on them instead of in more efficient crematoria, and then burying the massive remains again (by the way, the whole gigantic burning operation was completely pointless and wasteful with resources since there were still enormous remains left behind after the burning).


Uh, in what way was this wasting gigantic resources?
The victims were transported short distances, much less than any alleged "evacuation to the East." The transports had very low priority.
Gerlach mentions it took about 4 cans of gas to murder individual transports.
The inmates buried the bodies, dug them up and burned them so no real labor cost.
The camps financed themselves through the loot they brought in.
The Poles had a very good logging industry so fuel was not a problem.

Monstrous, any "resources" you think would be wasted is dwarfed by the possible resources you needed to transport useless mouths into a war zone or partisan zone.

Please.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Monstrous » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:22 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Monstrous wrote:So Jews are supposed to have been killed due to resource shortages?

Then it makes even less sense to waste gigantic resources on killing them, burying them, digging them up, cutting down several forests for fuel, building enormous pyres and burning the corpses on them instead of in more efficient crematoria, and then burying the massive remains again (by the way, the whole gigantic burning operation was completely pointless and wasteful with resources since there were still enormous remains left behind after the burning).


Uh, in what way was this wasting gigantic resources?
The victims were transported short distances, much less than any alleged "evacuation to the East." The transports had very low priority.
Gerlach mentions it took about 4 cans of gas to murder the transports.
The inmates buried the bodies, dug them up and burned them so no real labor cost.
The camps financed themselves through the loot they brought in.
The Poles had a very good logging industry so fuel was not a problem.

Monstrous, any "resources" you think would be wasted is dwarfed by the possible resources you needed to transport useless mouths into a war zone or partisan zone.

Please.

Please do not deny that wasting gigantic resources on this ridiculous operation would not have taken resources from other war time activities.

Anyway, if wanting to get rid of some Jews from the GG, why not just transport them to the East and let them fend for themselves? Much less resource usage...

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:30 pm

You mean hand over to the Soviets 100s of 1000s of mortal enemies of Germany? Along the front? The same Soviets you think were advocating for the Polish and other Jews? What are you trying to say - spell it out?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:36 pm

Monstrous wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Monstrous wrote:So Jews are supposed to have been killed due to resource shortages?

Then it makes even less sense to waste gigantic resources on killing them, burying them, digging them up, cutting down several forests for fuel, building enormous pyres and burning the corpses on them instead of in more efficient crematoria, and then burying the massive remains again (by the way, the whole gigantic burning operation was completely pointless and wasteful with resources since there were still enormous remains left behind after the burning).


Uh, in what way was this wasting gigantic resources?
The victims were transported short distances, much less than any alleged "evacuation to the East." The transports had very low priority.
Gerlach mentions it took about 4 cans of gas to murder the transports.
The inmates buried the bodies, dug them up and burned them so no real labor cost.
The camps financed themselves through the loot they brought in.
The Poles had a very good logging industry so fuel was not a problem.

Monstrous, any "resources" you think would be wasted is dwarfed by the possible resources you needed to transport useless mouths into a war zone or partisan zone.

Please.

Please do deny that wasting gigantic resources on this ridiculous operation would not have taken resources from other war time activities.

Anyway, if wanting to get rid of some Jews from the GG, why not just transport them to the East and let them fend for themselves? Much less resource usage...


Except that in order to do this you have to transport them 100's of miles into the Soviet Union into either an active war zone or an active partisan zone.
So, then you want to set them loose to fend for themselves?
Monstrous, the Germans considered Jews either black marketers that sucked up resources or active supporters of partisans. Why on earth would they want them wandering around?
Monstrous, you repeatedly show a piss poor understanding of how any of this worked. Seriously, a Rizoli level of understanding.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:You mean hand over to the Soviets 100s of 1000s of mortal enemies of Germany? Along the front? The same Soviets you think were advocating for the Polish and other Jews? What are you trying to say - spell it out?

No, just transport Jews not fit for work east of the GG and let them fend for themselves. Much less resource usage than the gigantic kill-bury-cut down forests-dig up-burn-bury again-operation.

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:Except that in order to do this you have to transport them 100's of miles into the Soviet Union into either an active war zone or an active partisan zone.
So, then you want to set them loose to fend for themselves?
Monstrous, the Germans considered Jews either black marketers that sucked up resources or active supporters of partisans. Why on earth would they want them wandering around?
Monstrous, you repeatedly show a piss poor understanding of how any of this worked. Seriously, a Rizoli level of understanding.

Well, if you just send Jews not fit for work, then they are unlikely to be useful partisans. Possible even becoming a burden for the actual partisans who will attempt to care for them.

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Monstrous wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:You mean hand over to the Soviets 100s of 1000s of mortal enemies of Germany? Along the front? The same Soviets you think were advocating for the Polish and other Jews? What are you trying to say - spell it out?

No, just transport Jews not fit for work east of the GG and let them fend for themselves. Much less resource usage than the gigantic kill-bury-cut down forests-dig up-burn-bury again-operation.



You mean 1.2 million hapless Jews, wandering around Belarus or the Ukraine?

:lol:


Proof of this, Monstrous. No Metapedia. I want to see orders, transport schedules, personnel records for guards or commanders, eyewitness accounts from Germans or Soviet citizens who witnessed these Jews wandering around, whatever you got.

I repeat, no Metapedia or CODOH guessing. I want solid, concrete proof.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

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Monstrous wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:You mean hand over to the Soviets 100s of 1000s of mortal enemies of Germany? Along the front? The same Soviets you think were advocating for the Polish and other Jews? What are you trying to say - spell it out?

No, just transport Jews not fit for work east of the GG and let them fend for itself. Much less resource usage than the gigantic kill-bury-cut down forests-dig up-burn-bury again-operation.

I have no idea what you mean. First, we're talking about a couple 100s police types, many of them specialists in mass murder, to oversee the camps; construction materials for a small number of buildings; and exploitation of prisoner-labor for running the GG camp, for corpse disposal etc - this resourcing was negligible to the war effort. The GG on the whole camps were not "gigantic" operations but crude, low-cost facilities using minimal resources. Even Majdanek was never fully built out. This is a red herring on your part.

But as to your 2nd point, east of the GG, you say . . . so you mean keeping the 100s of 1000s of Jews - over a million for sure - in German-held territory but moving them to the part of it where partisans operations were significant by mid-1942 - Belorussia and Ukraine, where, in fact, Jews had been and were being - far from permitted to fend for themselves - killed in mass shootings? You mean there? Into another killing zone where they, left on their own, as you say the Jews now would be (?!?!), could join partisans?

So you just know I am now going to ask for evidence you have this . . .
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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

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Monstrous wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Except that in order to do this you have to transport them 100's of miles into the Soviet Union into either an active war zone or an active partisan zone.
So, then you want to set them loose to fend for themselves?
Monstrous, the Germans considered Jews either black marketers that sucked up resources or active supporters of partisans. Why on earth would they want them wandering around?
Monstrous, you repeatedly show a piss poor understanding of how any of this worked. Seriously, a Rizoli level of understanding.

Well, if you just send Jews not fit for work, then they are unlikely to be useful partisans. Possible even becoming a burden for the actual partisans who will attempt to care for them.



:lol:
:lol:

Monstrous, the partisans were not known for their generosity. They couldn't care for them, even if they wanted to, because the Germans were sucking up labor and food where they weren't busy destroying villages and massacring villagers during their "partisan hunts."


Proof, Monstrous. I want proof. No guessing, from you, Metapedia or CODOH.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:56 pm

Monstrous wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Except that in order to do this you have to transport them 100's of miles into the Soviet Union into either an active war zone or an active partisan zone.
So, then you want to set them loose to fend for themselves?
Monstrous, the Germans considered Jews either black marketers that sucked up resources or active supporters of partisans. Why on earth would they want them wandering around?
Monstrous, you repeatedly show a piss poor understanding of how any of this worked. Seriously, a Rizoli level of understanding.

Well, if you just send Jews not fit for work, then they are unlikely to be useful partisans. Possible even becoming a burden for the actual partisans who will attempt to care for them.

Partisans care for them? LOL So 100s of 1000s of "fit" Jews were left behind the Great Trek to Partisanland and kept in AR camps built for several, er, 100 prisoners . . . all righty then. And Himmler suddenly didn't worry about the women, children, and others and was just fine and dandy handing over to the partisans these "avengers against our sons and grandsons"?

You come up with the most convoluted, self-contradictory BS because you make things up as you go along, to fit your preconceptions, and you never rely on evidence for what you say. It is really funny.
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Whatever shortcomings this idea has, it is several times better than the truly astoundingly weird and stupid official AR story, including the completely pointless exhuming and burning of the corpses on pyres, instead of in crematoria, which would still leave behind gigantic amounts of remains to be buried again.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:57 pm

LOL "whatever shortcomings this idea has"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:12 pm

Ok, then, Monstrous. So... if they all were sent to where you imagine they went, who then supplied all the evidence "since there were still enormous remains left behind"?

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Monstrous wrote:Whatever shortcomings this idea has, it is several times better than the truly astoundingly weird and stupid official AR story, including the completely pointless exhuming and burning of the corpses on pyres, instead of in crematoria, which would still leave behind gigantic amounts of remains to be buried again.


Shortcomings???????

Monstrous, if you have no proof otherwise then you have nothing.

Proof, Monstrous. Now. I want to see whatever proof you have that the Jews were transported to the East.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:13 pm

Btw muppet, because we study evidence and support our views with evidence, you will not read us saying, for example, about the basic history of Treblinka or Majdanek or Auschwitz or Chelmno or the open-air shootings, "whatever shortcomings this idea has."

We are confident about what we say happened. We are confident that you can't produce evidence for Soviet forgeries of the EG reports. We are confident that you have no evidence for 2.5+ million Jews being "transited" east. No evidence for 2-3 million Jews being sent to KLs during '42-'43. We're confident that our interpretations of the evidence are well grounded. So we don't toss out BS and then back off, saying "whatever shortcomings this idea has."

You, on the other hand, are a buffoon.
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scrmbldggs wrote:Ok, then, Monstrous. So... if they all were sent to where you imagine they went, who then supplied all the evidence "since there were still enormous remains left behind"?

No enormous remains have been found.

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Monstrous wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Ok, then, Monstrous. So... if they all were sent to where you imagine they went, who then supplied all the evidence "since there were still enormous remains left behind"?

No enormous remains have been found.


Then why do you claim there were? That's your quote up there.


(I knew this would be ridiculous... :lol:)
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:17 pm

. . . nice try, Jeffk, but Monstrous is not competent to discuss Nazi Jewish policy - all he has is speculation that doesn't add up, by his own admission . . .
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:18 pm

I think Monstrous stepped in something.

Where's the proof I keep asking for, Monstrous?

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:20 pm

Metapedia must not have an article on this.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:21 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:. . . nice try, Jeffk, but Monstrous is not competent to discuss Nazi Jewish policy - all he has is speculation that doesn't add up, by his own admission . . .



Oh, well.

Anyway, I'll add more to this, perhaps tonight.

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Metapedia must not have an article on this.



I told him no Metapedia or CODOH guessing allowed.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:26 pm

Give up. You're incompetent. Spamming ads is just {!#%@} dumb.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:28 pm

Monstrous wrote:http://holocausthandbooks.com/index.php?main_page=1&page_id=28


No, I want you to summarize for me their evidence so I can see it. I'm not wasting my time trying to read through hundreds of pages of a literary equivalent to a dumpster fire.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:43 pm

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Monstrous hard at work on AR camps: "Whatever shortcomings this idea has . . ."
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 9:48 pm

:lol:

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:39 pm

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Whatever shortcomings this idea has . . .
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 10:53 pm

I'm still waiting on some sort of proof of Jews wandering around like lost sightseers.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:07 pm

and I'm just hoping that our little buddy doesn't hurt himself with all his contortions . . .
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Xcalibur » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:39 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I'm still waiting on some sort of proof of Jews wandering around like lost sightseers.



And just what clothing they were wearing whilst doing so... or maybe they were wandering into things since their eyeglasses had been confiscated... or maybe not wandering at all since they got shipped east without prosthetic legs...

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 03, 2017 11:41 pm

Not to mention no money or any other assets. The camp personnel kept that for themselves or sent that to Berlin.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:27 am

Just to summarize Monstrous's arguments:

Er, maybe the Germans released the Jews into the wild.
Link to Holocaust Handbook advert.
Run like hell.

In any case, I'm now reading Dark Heart of Hitler's Europe, Nazi Rule in Poland. This promises to shed more light on the subject. I've also pulled Cesarani back up and I'm going to look at the White Paper and Arad.

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:31 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Just to summarize Monstrous's arguments:

Er, maybe the Germans released the Jews into the wild.
Link to Holocaust Handbook advert.
Run like hell.

In any case, I'm now reading Dark Heart of Hitler's Europe, Nazi Rule in Poland. This promises to shed more light on the subject. I've also pulled Cesarani back up and I'm going to look at the White Paper and Arad.

Er, maybe the Germans released the Jews into the wild.
Whatever shortcomings this idea has . . .
Link to Holocaust Handbook advert.
Run like hell.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: German Food Policy and the Action Reinhard Camps

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Jan 04, 2017 12:34 am

Whatever shortcomings this idea has . . .

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. . . other cars must have been worse. Right?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927


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