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Denier BS Bingo

Postby nickterry » Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:39 pm

Since some members here have experience on YouTube, I thought it might be an idea to recompile a Denier Bull**** Bingo list of memes and gambits, drawing on the collective experience of different members, and updated from when we put such things together a decade ago at the old RODOH forum.

Nominations for entries should be ones that you have seen used *repeatedly*, they should not be unique to wayward individuals but examples can be pooled under one heading.

A good harvest of examples can be found e.g. here among the 1,500 comments to a trailer of the forthcoming film 'Denial'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH7ktvUWaYo

1. Illegality of Holocaust denial
2. x is the real genocide or holocaust (Gaza, Dresden, communism) and/or whataboutery
3. Voltaire quote faked by paedophile neo-Nazi Kevin Strom
4. you are a shill/how much are you being paid
5. Jews profit from Holocaust (compensation etc)
6. 'people are waking up'
7. Irving etc are legit historians
8. 'no evidence'
9. Red Cross statistics
10. World Almanac
11. revisionists are not antisemitic
12. Talmud quotes and other antisemitic cliches
13. fake witness (Wilkomirski)
14. crazy witness (Zisblatt)
15. lampshades
16. soap
17. 'watch this video'
18. 6 million
19. Prussian Blue (Leuchter/Rudolf)
20. scientific blahblah

keep entries short, do not use allcaps, exclamation marks, or misspell words pretending to be a denier.
Underneath a short description, you may quote (in quote tags) examples with a link to illustrate the point.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby nickterry » Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:45 pm

Examples from the output of that well-known MA. law firm of Rizoli, Rizoli and King would of course fit in perfectly.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Darren Wilshak » Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:52 pm

LOL, how about Revisionists aren't Nazis?

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 3:15 pm

Just ones I can think of off the top of my head right now. More to follow.

1. It didn't happen but they deserved it

2. Suvorov

3. But L3........

4. Jews went where Jews are

5. I know I'm right because Carlos Porter/Metapedia/Stormfront agree with me.

6. (*insert tangent on immigration, displaying across-the-board racisim*)

7. I don't like it so its a Soviet forgery even if it's not

8. WUF

9. "special interests"

10. "Judea declares war"

11. "Steam Chambers"

BONUS: It was the fault of the book.

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1. Illegality of Holocaust denial
2. x is the real genocide or holocaust (Gaza, Dresden, communism) and/or whataboutery
3. 'people are waking up'
4. Irving etc are legit historians
5. 'no evidence'
6. 6 million
7. Red Cross statistics
8. World Almanac
9. 'watch this video'
10. revisionists aren't Nazis
11. revisionists are not antisemitic
12. Talmud quotes and other antisemitic cliches
13. Voltaire quote faked by paedophile neo-Nazi Kevin Strom
14. you are a shill/how much are you being paid
15. Jews profit from Holocaust (compensation etc)
16. fake witness (Wilkomirski)
17. crazy witness (Zisblatt)
18. lampshades
19. soap
20. Prussian Blue (Leuchter/Rudolf)
21. scientific blahblah
22. It didn't happen but they deserved it
23. Suvorov
24. But L3........
25. Jews went where Jews are
26. I know I'm right because Carlos Porter/Metapedia/Stormfront agree with me.
27. (*insert tangent on immigration, displaying across-the-board racisim*)
28. I don't like it so its a Soviet forgery even if it's not
29. "special interests"
30. "Steam Chambers"
31. "Judea declares war"
32. WUF
33. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)
34. air photos


The candidates should slowly be grouped together; the current #2 encompasses all kinds of whataboutery, so #23 on Suvorov could be seen as a variation on this.

Still: keep them coming for now!

Given the low quality of denial efforts in most venues, it's arguable that there should be Denier BS Bingo and Revisionist BS Bingo. The typical denier on YouTube uses generic arguments w/o referring to anything specific in revisionism.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:39 pm

nickterry wrote:33. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)


Really? I thought they weren't touching him with a ten foot pole. His blunderings basically amounted to an own goal and IIRC he actually found a mass grave by accident.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby nickterry » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:41 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
nickterry wrote:33. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)


Really? I thought they weren't touching him with a ten foot pole. His blunderings basically amounted to an own goal and IIRC he actually found a mass grave by accident.


I found at least half a dozen uploads of Krege on YouTube; he might not be cited by Mattogno, but he's still out there.

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:47 pm

35. I'm actually just an anti-zionist (*proceeds to spew all manner of violent antisemitism without mentioning Israel even once*)

36. (*Quotes out of context*)

37. "The Nazis were the good guys"

38. Diesel

39. Weisel

40. I have been persecuted, woe is me, I'm so woe

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:49 pm

nickterry wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
nickterry wrote:33. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)


Really? I thought they weren't touching him with a ten foot pole. His blunderings basically amounted to an own goal and IIRC he actually found a mass grave by accident.


I found at least half a dozen uploads of Krege on YouTube; he might not be cited by Mattogno, but he's still out there.


He was a damn liar. He found evidence of a mass grave and went on to say that the ground at Treblinka had been undisturbed "for millions of years". Anyone who cops to that is beyond hopeless.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:59 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:. . . Anyone who cops to that is beyond hopeless.

And your point is . . . ?
Nazism conspired to create a sense of festival time. . . . Tragically for humanity, the party generating it was the type not associated with the coloured costumes of the Brazilian Carnival, but with the brown-shirted thuggery of the NSDAP. The contrast between the dance and the march, between the samba and the strains of the Horst Wessel Lied, points to the gulf separating a life-asserting community from a community which exists only by creating a demonized other. - RG '97

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:09 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:. . . Anyone who cops to that is beyond hopeless.

And your point is . . . ?


{!#%@} stupid people man, just {!#%@} stupid people.......

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:. . . Anyone who cops to that is beyond hopeless.

And your point is . . . ?

:lol:
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41. "the lie is being kept alive and is growing daily by Jews and sympathizers"
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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Darren Wilshak » Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:06 pm

That's a good one. On the one hand its

"the last days of the big lie,"

on the other hand

"its being kept alive and growing daily..."

Thus proving that chimps will believe any sort of blatantly contradictory jibber jabber.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:01 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:. . . Anyone who cops to that is beyond hopeless.

And your point is . . . ?


{!#%@} stupid people man, just {!#%@} stupid people.......

B-b-b-b-but you could pick most others besides Krege and it would still be, "Anyone who cops to that is beyond hopeless." :)

On YouTube, is "the tide turning" or is that a Codoh internal promotional message?
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Postby nickterry » Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:09 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:On YouTube, is "the tide turning" or is that a Codoh internal promotional message?


The phrasing there is standard alterna-bilge: "more and more people are waking up". Same sentiment, of course.

The flipside is the belief that things have been covered up by propaganda/the Luegenpresse/the media, etc. Sometimes expressed a la Michael Caine, 'not a lot of people know that'.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Aug 20, 2016 7:13 pm

nickterry wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:On YouTube, is "the tide turning" or is that a Codoh internal promotional message?


The phrasing there is standard alterna-bilge: "more and more people are waking up". Same sentiment, of course.

The flipside is the belief that things have been covered up by propaganda/the Luegenpresse/the media, etc. Sometimes expressed a la Michael Caine, 'not a lot of people know that'.

Yes of course, it is sweeping popular consciousness and all the cool kids are on to it, and the reason you don't hear much about it and people won't listen is the MSM behind which stand the . . .
Nazism conspired to create a sense of festival time. . . . Tragically for humanity, the party generating it was the type not associated with the coloured costumes of the Brazilian Carnival, but with the brown-shirted thuggery of the NSDAP. The contrast between the dance and the march, between the samba and the strains of the Horst Wessel Lied, points to the gulf separating a life-asserting community from a community which exists only by creating a demonized other. - RG '97

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:10 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
nickterry wrote:33. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)


Really? I thought they weren't touching him with a ten foot pole. His blunderings basically amounted to an own goal and IIRC he actually found a mass grave by accident.


I have it on the best authority that Krege couldn't publish his report because certain "special interests" threatened to ruin him like they ruined Leuchter (the wascally wabbit, i.e. The Black Rabbit of Inle).

I'm not sure but I think "specialist interests" refers to Armenian midgets.
But, I could be wrong.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:18 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
nickterry wrote:33. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)


Really? I thought they weren't touching him with a ten foot pole. His blunderings basically amounted to an own goal and IIRC he actually found a mass grave by accident.


I have it on the best authority that Krege couldn't publish his report because certain "special interests" threatened to ruin him like they ruined Leuchter (the wascally wabbit, i.e. The Black Rabbit of Inle).

I'm not sure but I think "specialist interests" refers to Armenian midgets.
But, I could be wrong.


Leuchter's shitty, debunked, dartboard of a report ruined him, not the EWIW JOOS. IIRC it was more of a bad sketch on toilet paper than an actual scientific study.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Aaron Richards » Sun Aug 21, 2016 2:08 am

If someone could explain to me #24 and #32, I'd be very happy.


Here's my additions to the list (starting from #42):

1. Illegality of Holocaust denial
2. x is the real genocide or holocaust (Gaza, Dresden, communism) and/or whataboutery
3. 'people are waking up'
4. Irving etc are legit historians
5. 'no evidence'
6. 6 million
7. Red Cross statistics
8. World Almanac
9. 'watch this video'
10. revisionists aren't Nazis
11. revisionists are not antisemitic
12. Talmud quotes and other antisemitic cliches
13. Voltaire quote faked by paedophile neo-Nazi Kevin Strom
14. you are a shill/how much are you being paid
15. Jews profit from Holocaust (compensation etc)
16. fake witness (Wilkomirski)
17. crazy witness (Zisblatt)
18. lampshades
19. soap
20. Prussian Blue (Leuchter/Rudolf)
21. scientific blahblah
22. It didn't happen but they deserved it
23. Suvorov
24. But L3........
25. Jews went where Jews are
26. I know I'm right because Carlos Porter/Metapedia/Stormfront agree with me.
27. (*insert tangent on immigration, displaying across-the-board racism*)
28. I don't like it so its a Soviet forgery even if it's not
29. "special interests"
30. "Steam Chambers"
31. "Judea declares war"
32. WUF
33. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)
34. air photos
35. I'm actually just an anti-zionist (*proceeds to spew all manner of violent antisemitism without mentioning Israel even once*)
36. (*Quotes out of context*)
37. "The Nazis were the good guys"
38. Diesel
39. Wiesel
40. I have been persecuted, woe is me, I'm so woe
41. "the lie is being kept alive and is growing daily by Jews and sympathizers"
42. Caroline SC & the Star of David Gas Chamber Tile, shark tooth & the GPR scan "she wont publish"
43. Fritz Berg and cherry red corpses
44. Fritz Berg and producer gas vans
45. Fritz Berg and railway delousing chambers
46. Auschwitz Krema I holes on roof
47. Filip Müller, the guy who ate cheese in suitcase carried into a gas chamber
48. Faurisson's hysteria about the impossibility of mass gassing and poisonous cyanide saturated corpses
49. Play with words (Leichenkeller, Gaskeller, Gaskammer on blueprints referring to delousing chamber, Judenevakuierung, durchschleusen, Ausrottung/extirpation nonsense etc.)
50. Other explanations for homicidal gas chambers (morgues, air raid shelters, delousing chambers, real showers)
51. That one Jew who got transferred from Treblinka to Majdanek, "proving" Treblinka was a transit camp after all (har har har)
52. I was gassed six times!
53. bringing up Dachau's gas chamber controversy
54. "No gas chambers in the Reich" strawman (even though e.g. thousands were gassed in Mauthausen)
55. "Give me the name of a single Jew who was gassed" challenge (though the names have already been given)
56. Auschwitz amenities (football field, theatre, brothel, greenhouse, camp currency, bunny rabbit farm, horse grooming, camp orchestra,...)
57. Bringing up the photo of children in Auschwitz
58. Bringing up the picture of Jewish babies born in Dachau and young, somewhat healthy looking mothers in the photo
59. Auschwitz 4 million figure
60. "Hey goy, look, the Krema I chimney doesn't connect to the rest of the building!"
61. "Hey goy, look, this wooden living room door is the gas chamber door!"
62. Bringing up American gas chamber door photographs
63. "Well...why...why didnt the Jews just break down the gas chamber door?"
64. Bringing up the Katyn massacre
65. "The gas chambers could be seen from the rest of the camp!"
66. Cremation capacity debate using websites like "howstuffworks" as source...
67. "Zyklon-B pellets thrown into the chamber (e.g. in Krema IV or V) continue to outgass for hours! Show me testimony of a gas chamber full of corpses being hosed down with water to dissolve the pellets first and not after clearing all corpses!"
68. Bringing up the Krema II and III lift capacity to haul over 1000 corpses one level upward
69. Bringing up the Zyklon-B outgassing curve graph and trying to fool people into thinking not enough lethality (ppm) can be achieved within 15 minutes
70. Bringing up the "LD1" for humans, "LD100" for lice argument
71. "Ohio Train Wreck" to discredit one of the Sonderkommando photos
72. Claiming Hoess was tortured became some British guy wrote so in a questionable memoir
73. Bringin up Eichmann's submarine engine for one of the AR camps
74. Written order strawman
75. Making fun of the Gerstein report

That's all I can think of for now
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Aaron Richards wrote:If someone could explain to me #24 and #32, I'd be very happy.


Here's my additions to the list (starting from #42):

1. Illegality of Holocaust denial
2. x is the real genocide or holocaust (Gaza, Dresden, communism) and/or whataboutery
3. 'people are waking up'
4. Irving etc are legit historians
5. 'no evidence'
6. 6 million
7. Red Cross statistics
8. World Almanac
9. 'watch this video'
10. revisionists aren't Nazis
11. revisionists are not antisemitic
12. Talmud quotes and other antisemitic cliches
13. Voltaire quote faked by paedophile neo-Nazi Kevin Strom
14. you are a shill/how much are you being paid
15. Jews profit from Holocaust (compensation etc)
16. fake witness (Wilkomirski)
17. crazy witness (Zisblatt)
18. lampshades
19. soap
20. Prussian Blue (Leuchter/Rudolf)
21. scientific blahblah
22. It didn't happen but they deserved it
23. Suvorov
24. But L3........
25. Jews went where Jews are
26. I know I'm right because Carlos Porter/Metapedia/Stormfront agree with me.
27. (*insert tangent on immigration, displaying across-the-board racism*)
28. I don't like it so its a Soviet forgery even if it's not
29. "special interests"
30. "Steam Chambers"
31. "Judea declares war"
32. WUF
33. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)
34. air photos
35. I'm actually just an anti-zionist (*proceeds to spew all manner of violent antisemitism without mentioning Israel even once*)
36. (*Quotes out of context*)
37. "The Nazis were the good guys"
38. Diesel
39. Wiesel
40. I have been persecuted, woe is me, I'm so woe
41. "the lie is being kept alive and is growing daily by Jews and sympathizers"
42. Caroline SC & the Star of David Gas Chamber Tile, shark tooth & the GPR scan "she wont publish"
43. Fritz Berg and cherry red corpses
44. Fritz Berg and producer gas vans
45. Fritz Berg and railway delousing chambers
46. Auschwitz Krema I holes on roof
47. Filip Müller, the guy who ate cheese in suitcase carried into a gas chamber
48. Faurisson's hysteria about the impossibility of mass gassing and poisonous cyanide saturated corpses
49. Play with words (Leichenkeller, Gaskeller, Gaskammer on blueprints referring to delousing chamber, Judenevakuierung, durchschleusen, Ausrottung/extirpation nonsense etc.)
50. Other explanations for homicidal gas chambers (morgues, air raid shelters, delousing chambers, real showers)
51. That one Jew who got transferred from Treblinka to Majdanek, "proving" Treblinka was a transit camp after all (har har har)
52. I was gassed six times!
53. bringing up Dachau's gas chamber controversy
54. "No gas chambers in the Reich" strawman (even though e.g. thousands were gassed in Mauthausen)
55. "Give me the name of a single Jew who was gassed" challenge (though the names have already been given)
56. Auschwitz amenities (football field, theatre, brothel, greenhouse, camp currency, bunny rabbit farm, horse grooming, camp orchestra,...)
57. Bringing up the photo of children in Auschwitz
58. Bringing up the picture of Jewish babies born in Dachau and young, somewhat healthy looking mothers in the photo
59. Auschwitz 4 million figure
60. "Hey goy, look, the Krema I chimney doesn't connect to the rest of the building!"
61. "Hey goy, look, this wooden living room door is the gas chamber door!"
62. Bringing up American gas chamber door photographs
63. "Well...why...why didnt the Jews just break down the gas chamber door?"
64. Bringing up the Katyn massacre
65. "The gas chambers could be seen from the rest of the camp!"
66. Cremation capacity debate using websites like "howstuffworks" as source...
67. "Zyklon-B pellets thrown into the chamber (e.g. in Krema IV or V) continue to outgass for hours! Show me testimony of a gas chamber full of corpses being hosed down with water to dissolve the pellets first and not after clearing all corpses!"
68. Bringing up the Krema II and III lift capacity to haul over 1000 corpses one level upward
69. Bringing up the Zyklon-B outgassing curve graph and trying to fool people into thinking not enough lethality (ppm) can be achieved within 15 minutes
70. Bringing up the "LD1" for humans, "LD100" for lice argument
71. "Ohio Train Wreck" to discredit one of the Sonderkommando photos
72. Claiming Hoess was tortured became some British guy wrote so in a questionable memoir
73. Bringin up Eichmann's submarine engine for one of the AR camps
74. Written order strawman
75. Making fun of the Gerstein report

That's all I can think of for now


76. All Jews are liars!!!!!!
77. All the witnesses are liars!!!!!!!
78. All the SS and Germans were tortured!!!!!!!
79. Every document that proves the Holocaust happened is a forgery.
80. How can you believe any Jew because one Jew said she ate and pooped her diamonds 6 times.

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81. Protocols of the Elders of Zion
82. Benjamin Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel saying the Balfour Declaration, Bernard Baruch and Jews basically backstabbed Germany who had won WW1 just to be promised Israel by Britain
83. Bolshevism being Jewish
84. Kaufmann plan / Hooton plan
85. Kalergi plan and the current refugee crisis being orchestrated by world Jewry (though they cant name anyone other than George Soros and Barbara Spectre)
86. The "redpilled" Jews argument (aka David Cole, Gerard Menuhin etc.)
87. Cultural Marxism
88. Frankfurt School
89. 9/11
90. ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi being Mossad agent Simon Eliott

okay now I'm really running out lol
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:16 am

Do we have WUF? Is Moshe Peer still a thing?
Nazism conspired to create a sense of festival time. . . . Tragically for humanity, the party generating it was the type not associated with the coloured costumes of the Brazilian Carnival, but with the brown-shirted thuggery of the NSDAP. The contrast between the dance and the march, between the samba and the strains of the Horst Wessel Lied, points to the gulf separating a life-asserting community from a community which exists only by creating a demonized other. - RG '97

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Aaron Richards wrote:81. Protocols of the Elders of Zion
82. Benjamin Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel saying the Balfour Declaration, Bernard Baruch and Jews basically backstabbed Germany who had won WW1 just to be promised Israel by Britain
83. Bolshevism being Jewish
84. Kaufmann plan / Hooton plan
85. Kalergi plan and the current refugee crisis being orchestrated by world Jewry (though they cant name anyone other than George Soros and Barbara Spectre)
86. The "redpilled" Jews argument (aka David Cole, Gerard Menuhin etc.)
87. Cultural Marxism
88. Frankfurt School
89. 9/11
90. ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi being Mossad agent Simon Eliott

okay now I'm really running out lol


91. You disagree with me, therefore you must be a Jew/employed by Jews/think like a Jew/be a Hasbara troll.

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:10 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Do we have WUF? Is Moshe Peer still a thing?


I got WUF

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:20 am

92. "Jewish Ritual Murder" ( a reach, but TVH, K0nsol and IIRC Mattogno's brother believe in it).

93. Genrikh Yagoda

94. Ovadia Youssef

95. forged "speech" by "Emmanuel Rabinovich"

96. Dylann Storm Roof was justified

97. Rothschilds

98. World Jewish Alminac

99. "Churchill and DeGualle not mentioning it" (allegedly)

100. The Soviets covered up the Great Invisible Jewish Deportation

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:50 am

Jeff_36 wrote:92. "Jewish Ritual Murder" ( a reach, but TVH, K0nsol and IIRC Mattogno's brother believe in it).

93. Genrikh Yagoda

94. Ovadia Youssef

95. forged "speech" by "Emmanuel Rabinovich"

96. Dylann Storm Roof was justified

97. Rothschilds

98. World Jewish Alminac

99. "Churchill and DeGualle not mentioning it" (allegedly)

100. The Soviets covered up the Great Invisible Jewish Deportation



101. You've never met Hitler. How do you know what he's like or if he ordered the Holocaust?

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Darren Wilshak » Sun Aug 21, 2016 8:51 am

102 Germans conducted Holocaust through telepathy.

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Postby nickterry » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:41 am

Meta-gambits
1. Illegality of Holocaust denial
2. you are a shill/how much are you being paid
3. 'people are waking up'
4. The "redpilled" Jews argument (aka David Cole, Gerard Menuhin etc.)
5. You disagree with me, therefore you must be a Jew/employed by Jews/think like a Jew/be a Hasbara troll.
6. I'm actually just an anti-zionist (*proceeds to spew all manner of violent antisemitism without mentioning Israel even once*)
7. I have been persecuted, woe is me, I'm so woe
8. "the lie is being kept alive and is growing daily by Jews and sympathizers"

Relativisation
9. x is the real genocide or holocaust (Gaza, Dresden, communism) and/or whataboutery
10. Bolshevism being Jewish
11. Bringing up the Katyn massacre
12. Suvorov
13. It didn't happen but they deserved it
14. "Judea declares war"
15. WUF
16. "The Nazis were the good guys"

Revisionism
17. Irving etc are legit historians
18. 'watch this video'
19. revisionists aren't Nazis
20. revisionists are not antisemitic
21. I know I'm right because Carlos Porter/Metapedia/Stormfront agree with me.

Evidence/Intentionality
22. 'no evidence'
23. I don't like it so its a Soviet forgery even if it's not
24. (*Quotes out of context*)
25. Jews went where Jews are
26. Play with words (Leichenkeller, Gaskeller, Gaskammer on blueprints referring to delousing chamber, Judenevakuierung, durchschleusen, Ausrottung/extirpation nonsense etc.)
27. Written order strawman
28. Every document that proves the Holocaust happened is a forgery.
29. "Churchill and DeGualle not mentioning it" (allegedly)
30. The Soviets covered up the Great Invisible Jewish Deportation
31. You've never met Hitler. How do you know what he's like or if he ordered the Holocaust?
32 Germans conducted Holocaust through telepathy.

Numbers Games
33. 6 million
34. Red Cross statistics
35. World Almanac
36. Auschwitz 4 million figure
37. World Jewish Alminac
38. Jews profit from Holocaust (compensation etc) - 4 million compensation claims

Auschwitz
39. Prussian Blue (Leuchter/Rudolf)
40. scientific blahblah
41. air photos
42. Fritz Berg and railway delousing chambers
43. Auschwitz Krema I holes on roof
44. Faurisson's hysteria about the impossibility of mass gassing and poisonous cyanide saturated corpses
45. Other explanations for homicidal gas chambers (morgues, air raid shelters, delousing chambers, real showers)
46. "Hey goy, look, the Krema I chimney doesn't connect to the rest of the building!"
47. "Hey goy, look, this wooden living room door is the gas chamber door!"
48. Bringing up American gas chamber door photographs
49. "Well...why...why didnt the Jews just break down the gas chamber door?"
50. "The gas chambers could be seen from the rest of the camp!"
51. Cremation capacity debate using websites like "howstuffworks" as source...
52. "Zyklon-B pellets thrown into the chamber (e.g. in Krema IV or V) continue to outgass for hours! Show me testimony of a gas chamber full of corpses being hosed down with water to dissolve the pellets first and not after clearing all corpses!"
53. Bringing up the Krema II and III lift capacity to haul over 1000 corpses one level upward
54. Bringing up the Zyklon-B outgassing curve graph and trying to fool people into thinking not enough lethality (ppm) can be achieved within 15 minutes
55. Bringing up the "LD1" for humans, "LD100" for lice argument
56. "Ohio Train Wreck" to discredit one of the Sonderkommando photos
57. Auschwitz amenities (football field, theatre, brothel, greenhouse, camp currency, bunny rabbit farm, horse grooming, camp orchestra,...)
58. Bringing up the photo of children in Auschwitz

Other KZs
59. lampshades
60. soap
61. bringing up Dachau's gas chamber controversy
62. "No gas chambers in the Reich" strawman (even though e.g. thousands were gassed in Mauthausen)
63. "Give me the name of a single Jew who was gassed" challenge (though the names have already been given)
64. Bringing up the picture of Jewish babies born in Dachau and young, somewhat healthy looking mothers in the photo

AR Camps
65. "Steam Chambers"
66. Krege (judging by YouTube videos)
67. Diesel
68. Caroline SC & the Star of David Gas Chamber Tile, shark tooth & the GPR scan "she wont publish"
69. Fritz Berg and cherry red corpses
70. Fritz Berg and producer gas vans
71. That one Jew who got transferred from Treblinka to Majdanek, "proving" Treblinka was a transit camp after all (har har har)
72. Bringin up Eichmann's submarine engine for one of the AR camps

Witnesses
73. fake witness (Wilkomirski)
74. crazy witness (Zisblatt)
75. Wiesel
76. Moshe Peer: I was gassed six times!
77. Filip Müller, the guy who ate cheese in suitcase carried into a gas chamber
78. Claiming Hoess was tortured became some British guy wrote so in a questionable memoir
79. Making fun of the Gerstein report
80. All Jews are liars!!!!!!
81. All the witnesses are liars!!!!!!!
82. All the SS and Germans were tortured!!!!!!!
83. How can you believe any Jew because one Jew said she ate and pooped her diamonds 6 times.

Honestly don't know what this means
84. But L3........

Antisemitic, racist and conspiracist memes
85. Talmud quotes and other antisemitic cliches
86. Voltaire quote faked by paedophile neo-Nazi Kevin Strom
87. (*insert tangent on immigration, displaying across-the-board racism*)
88. "special interests"
89. Protocols of the Elders of Zion
90. Benjamin Freedman's 1961 speech at the Willard Hotel saying the Balfour Declaration, Bernard Baruch and Jews basically backstabbed Germany who had won WW1 just to be promised Israel by Britain
91. Kaufmann plan / Hooton plan
92. Kalergi plan and the current refugee crisis being orchestrated by world Jewry (though they cant name anyone other than George Soros and Barbara Spectre)
93. Cultural Marxism
94. Frankfurt School
95. 9/11
96. ISIS leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi being Mossad agent Simon Eliott
97. "Jewish Ritual Murder" ( a reach, but TVH, K0nsol and IIRC Mattogno's brother believe in it).
98. Genrikh Yagoda
99. Ovadia Youssef
100. forged "speech" by "Emmanuel Rabinovich"
101. Dylann Storm Roof was justified
102. Rothschilds

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby nickterry » Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:51 am

This was the older list

1. Jewish Bolshevism/Jews started the revolution/controlled the Soviet Union
2. The "first six million"
3. Jewish Declaration of War, Daily Express 1933
4. anybody but the Germans started WWII
5. Nazi Germany was a wonderful place

6. The Wannsee conference never took place/the protocol is a forgery
7. Hitler didn't know
8. Nazi policy was emigration [pretending this was true throughout]
9. Ausrottung and Vernichtung don't mean extermination
10. Transfer Agreement [if introduced irrelevantly into discussion about 1940s]

11. six million gassed (bonus for 'at Auschwitz')
12. Auschwitz 4 million
13. Auschwitz swimming pool
14. Red Cross visit to Auschwitz
15. Other Auschwitz recreational facilities
16. Bendel and 'German methods'
17. Hoess was tortured
18. Vergasungskeller means "air raid carburetion delousing morgue"
19. Auschwitz crematorium a fake
20. Auschwitz crematoria destroyed by Soviets
21. Auschwitz Jews chose to go with the Nazis rather than stay behind with the Commies
22. "no holes"
23. Determine national origin by the colour of the smoke
24. Can't kill with an insecticide
25. no autopsy of a gassing victim

26. steam chambers/electric chambers
27. Richard Krege and GPR
28. Diesel gas chambers
29. Abraham Bomba
30. Wiernik's shoulderblade
31. Treblinka was where the rail gauges changed

32. First they called Belsen and Dachau extermination camps, then the story shifted to Auschwitz
33. Moshe Peer/Belsen
34. Dachau gas chamber
35. no extermination camps in Germany
36. Lachout document
37. Pedal driven brain bashing machine
38. Hunger in the camps in 1945 was the fault of the Allies

39. 'geysers of blood'
40. Babi Yar massacre never happened, the air photos prove it! 41. no mass graves were found

42. How come so-and-so survived the war?
43. Jewish partisans
44. Stalin killed them!
45. "Jews went where Jews are"
46. Walter Sanning
47. World Almanac
48. Too many Holocaust survivors
50. ITS Arolsen figures scan
51. All Soviet Jews were evacuated
52. Jews bombed by the Allies
53. Hoettl and the six million
54. Six million is Talmudic/religious in origin

55. exaggerated Dresden death toll
56. Japanese internment just as bad
57. Communism killed 100 million
58. James Bacque/Other Losses

59. Holocaust denial gets you jailed [not in 80% of the West it doesn't]
60. Holocaust is the only historical event protected by law [false]
61. Holocaust revisionists are not antisemitic
62. Holocaust revisionists are not neo-Nazis
63. Holocaust revisionists are scientists/historians
64. Rassinier says... (appeal to spurious authority)
65. Butz says..
66. Rudolf
67. Leuchter
68. David Cole
69. Mark Weber/Mattogno/whoever is a Zionist mole
70. David Irving was never a real revisionist 71. Pressac was a cryptorevisionist

72. the Zundel trial was a great victory73. Vrba and 'poetic license'
74. Hilberg
75. "imminent collapse" of Holohoax
75. "revisionism is growing"
76. Ahmadinejad's endorsement of revisionism is a good thing

77. Katyn
78. 'Jewish soap'
79. Nuremberg judgement false claims (steam chamber, etc etc)

80. Victors write the history
81. Why didn't Churchill mention...?
82. Fact x is not well-known or kept out of the history [score if you can produce Wikipedia page about fact x]
83. this photo is faked [when obvious denier Photoshop effort is posted]
84. Anne Frank diary a forgery
85. They never tell you Anne Frank died of typhus

86. that document is a forgery
87. no documents say x

88. Jews own the entire porn industry
89. Jews control x (media, countries, etc)
90. Compensation was for six million dead
91. fake survivors
92. Einsatzgruppen carried out only reprisals

There is also Bonus B****** Bingo, more aimed at the catchphrases and cliches used by deniers.
1. propaganda
2. showtrials
3. thoughtcrime
4. holohoax, holyhoax etc
5. holocaustianity
6. Court Historians
7. spelling jews, jewish etc lowercase
8. unnecessary capitalisation
9. waffling on antisemitism
10. posting anything from heretical.com, judicialinc.biz, rense.com
11. you are a jew/Zionist/shabbos goy
12. you are a shill
13. you jailed Germar Rudolf personally
14. you want to throw me in jail
15. 'those who control the past' quote from Orwell
16. Galileo reference
17. deranged and inaccurate use of term Zionist
18. porno-denial
19. Jewish historians (bonus for lowercase jewish)

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby nickterry » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:15 am

while both versions tend to group things around aspects (eg Auschwitz) it might be better for 'consolidated bingo' purposes to focus more on tactics

1. relativisation (Allied, Soviet, contemporary atrocities)
2. victim-blaming (JDOW, WUF, Jewish Bolshevism, Holocaust never happened but they deserved it anyway)
3. minimisation/downplaying (eg Einsatzgruppen killed only partisans, resettlement, wordplay
4. coulda-woulda-shouldas (why didn't the Germans/victims do x?)
5. pseudoscience (Prussian Blue etc)
6. witnesses
7. standards of evidence ('no documents', no bodies etc)
8. show mes, prove its, shifting of burden of proof
9. hoax (forgery claims, general accusations of invention)
10. numbers games
11. trumpet-blowing, victory-dancing, revisionism's awesomeness, people waking up/MSM crumbling, redpilled Jews, etc
12. defensive reflexes (revisionism not antisemitic)
13. ad hominems against opponents (Holocaust industry, shill accusations)
14. mainstream always going on about Holocaust and not about x (variant of #1, but very common; eg 'too many Holocaust movies'
15. illegality of HD (this is so frequent it deserves its own spot in even a reduced list)
16. antisemitic, conspiracist claims about other things

There are other common tactics, so look over the lists below and see whether multiple examples point to a common theme. I wondered about wordplay as a separate category but it fits in with minimisation/downplaying, for example.

One of the advantages of the focus on tactics is that core obsessions usually tick off different boxes, and one is also more aware of the game-playing involved. An argument focusing on Treblinka might well include claims relating to standards of evidence (#7) such as 'no mass graves', be followed up by pseudoscientific claims about the impossibility of cremation (#5), ridicule a witness (#6), allege a hoax (#9), and then downplay the camp by saying it was a transit camp (#3). Technical arguments might throw in a coulda-woulda-shoulda (#4).

standards of evidence thus covers documents or the supposed lack thereof, as much as physical evidence
hoaxing also covers documents - their forging, but would include lampshades as well, from the denier perspective
downplaying likewise covers documents - their reinterpretation

Most chimps have extreme difficulty in not lumping different sites/camps together when gish galloping, so rather than try and impose order on the chaos as would be reflexive for historians and sane people, one might as well follow suit when identifying and categorising the gambits.

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby nickterry » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:23 am

under the tactical bingo
17. misrepresentations and misunderstandings (selection, why didn't they kill them all, 'six million gassed')

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Aug 21, 2016 10:24 am

Jeff_36 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Do we have WUF? Is Moshe Peer still a thing?


I got WUF

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Postby nickterry » Sun Aug 21, 2016 11:48 am

Another Bingo list, which is entirely abstract, but captures the rhetorical quirks of all too many deniers. Many fall under #8 of the tactics list above.

1. it doesn't make sense
2. I don't understand
3. this contradicts the official story
4. it's a forgery
5. the witness is a liar
6. no physical evidence
7. show me
8. show me the original
9. that has been debunked (no reference)
10. [loon x] debunked that (even if they didn't)
11. this is too easy
12. they wouldn't have done it that way
13. ‘YES or NO?'
14. I can discern an anomaly in the picture
15. in English please
16. on the internet please
17. assuming the consequent ('as x is disproven, y follows')
18. advanced inverted comma theory
19. 'burden of proof is on the accuser'
20. 'we don't have to prove anything'
21. a sample of 1
22. witnesses/documents 'like' (insufficient sample)
23. refusal to draw comparisons
24. special pleading as to why comparisons are invalid
25. If it didn't happen as alleged, it didn't happen (= fallacy of excluded middle)
26. your belief/the official story is a religion
27. ‘propaganda’
28. people would have heard about it
31. The witnesses would have mentioned x
32. All trials are show trials
33. All academics are shills or on the gravy train
34. Academic freedom is dead
35. All knowledge is rumour
37. the official story is too complicated
38. the official story is too simplistic
39. Euphemisms must be taken literally.
40. Literal statements must be treated as rhetoric and hyperbole
41. We need an independent investigation
42. Alleged
43. I don't need to read no steenkeen' books
44. Please tell me which one book sums up an entire complex subject
45. The fact that mainstream accounts don't mention x is proof of the superiority of crank accounts
46. How can we know this for sure?
47. I demand absolute certainty for the thing I want to wish away
48. Nobody has ever explained this to me, even though it's in all the books which I haven't read
49. My drivel is a hypothesis
50. Unless you disprove my drivel by providing irrelevant detail x, then my hypothesis stands
51. Overcome your conditioning/You have been brainwashed

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Aaron Richards » Sun Aug 21, 2016 1:05 pm

Someone should compile this list and post it on Hannover's site :D
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:20 pm

I might have missed it, but the "needed ventilation impossible" probably has been included somewhere in that list?

And 35. All knowledge is rumour and 43. I don't need to read no steenkeen' books surely reminds of Rizoli and friends, "I can't prove it (and neither can you), but I believe it/swing that way." :lol:
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Postby nickterry » Sun Aug 21, 2016 4:40 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:I might have missed it, but the "needed ventilation impossible" probably has been included somewhere in that list?


Good reminder.

And 35. All knowledge is rumour and 43. I don't need to read no steenkeen' books surely reminds of Rizoli and friends, "I can't prove it (and neither can you), but I believe it/swing that way." :lol:


Nice one!

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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Mary Q Contrary » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:09 pm

nickterry wrote:This was the older list

1. Jewish Bolshevism/Jews started the revolution/controlled the Soviet Union
2. The "first six million"
3. Jewish Declaration of War, Daily Express 1933
4. anybody but the Germans started WWII
5. Nazi Germany was a wonderful place

6. The Wannsee conference never took place/the protocol is a forgery
7. Hitler didn't know
8. Nazi policy was emigration [pretending this was true throughout]
9. Ausrottung and Vernichtung don't mean extermination
10. Transfer Agreement [if introduced irrelevantly into discussion about 1940s]

11. six million gassed (bonus for 'at Auschwitz')
12. Auschwitz 4 million
13. Auschwitz swimming pool
14. Red Cross visit to Auschwitz
15. Other Auschwitz recreational facilities
16. Bendel and 'German methods'
17. Hoess was tortured
18. Vergasungskeller means "air raid carburetion delousing morgue"
19. Auschwitz crematorium a fake
20. Auschwitz crematoria destroyed by Soviets
21. Auschwitz Jews chose to go with the Nazis rather than stay behind with the Commies
22. "no holes"
23. Determine national origin by the colour of the smoke
24. Can't kill with an insecticide
25. no autopsy of a gassing victim

26. steam chambers/electric chambers
27. Richard Krege and GPR
28. Diesel gas chambers
29. Abraham Bomba
30. Wiernik's shoulderblade
31. Treblinka was where the rail gauges changed

32. First they called Belsen and Dachau extermination camps, then the story shifted to Auschwitz
33. Moshe Peer/Belsen
34. Dachau gas chamber
35. no extermination camps in Germany
36. Lachout document
37. Pedal driven brain bashing machine
38. Hunger in the camps in 1945 was the fault of the Allies

39. 'geysers of blood'
40. Babi Yar massacre never happened, the air photos prove it! 41. no mass graves were found

42. How come so-and-so survived the war?
43. Jewish partisans
44. Stalin killed them!
45. "Jews went where Jews are"
46. Walter Sanning
47. World Almanac
48. Too many Holocaust survivors
50. ITS Arolsen figures scan
51. All Soviet Jews were evacuated
52. Jews bombed by the Allies
53. Hoettl and the six million
54. Six million is Talmudic/religious in origin

55. exaggerated Dresden death toll
56. Japanese internment just as bad
57. Communism killed 100 million
58. James Bacque/Other Losses

59. Holocaust denial gets you jailed [not in 80% of the West it doesn't]
60. Holocaust is the only historical event protected by law [false]
61. Holocaust revisionists are not antisemitic
62. Holocaust revisionists are not neo-Nazis
63. Holocaust revisionists are scientists/historians
64. Rassinier says... (appeal to spurious authority)
65. Butz says..
66. Rudolf
67. Leuchter
68. David Cole
69. Mark Weber/Mattogno/whoever is a Zionist mole
70. David Irving was never a real revisionist 71. Pressac was a cryptorevisionist

72. the Zundel trial was a great victory73. Vrba and 'poetic license'
74. Hilberg
75. "imminent collapse" of Holohoax
75. "revisionism is growing"
76. Ahmadinejad's endorsement of revisionism is a good thing

77. Katyn
78. 'Jewish soap'
79. Nuremberg judgement false claims (steam chamber, etc etc)

80. Victors write the history
81. Why didn't Churchill mention...?
82. Fact x is not well-known or kept out of the history [score if you can produce Wikipedia page about fact x]
83. this photo is faked [when obvious denier Photoshop effort is posted]
84. Anne Frank diary a forgery
85. They never tell you Anne Frank died of typhus

86. that document is a forgery
87. no documents say x

88. Jews own the entire porn industry
89. Jews control x (media, countries, etc)
90. Compensation was for six million dead
91. fake survivors
92. Einsatzgruppen carried out only reprisals

There is also Bonus B****** Bingo, more aimed at the catchphrases and cliches used by deniers.
1. propaganda
2. showtrials
3. thoughtcrime
4. holohoax, holyhoax etc
5. holocaustianity
6. Court Historians
7. spelling jews, jewish etc lowercase
8. unnecessary capitalisation
9. waffling on antisemitism
10. posting anything from heretical.com, judicialinc.biz, rense.com
11. you are a jew/Zionist/shabbos goy
12. you are a shill
13. you jailed Germar Rudolf personally
14. you want to throw me in jail
15. 'those who control the past' quote from Orwell
16. Galileo reference
17. deranged and inaccurate use of term Zionist
18. porno-denial
19. Jewish historians (bonus for lowercase jewish)


What about "the goal of revisionism isn't to make National Socialism acceptable again so we can take over and finish the job" Has that one been covered?
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Re: Denier BS Bingo

Postby Darren Wilshak » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:09 pm

Revisionists are not Nazis, so yes it has.

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Postby nickterry » Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:30 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:Revisionists are not Nazis, so yes it has.


Or #12 on the tactics list - general defensiveness about "revisionism".


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