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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Jun 04, 2017 12:17 pm

OTOH the Ivangorod discussion was interesting.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:26 am

Here been-there defends his ignorance of secondary literature ("evidence" is quotation marks) because, he says, "Primal sources are acceptable."

One of been-there's classic gaffes. Lecturing, in his usual condescending tone, portentous sounding phrases and words - and "primal sources." Made me want to let out a primary scream!
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"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Balmoral95 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:45 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Here been-there defines his ignorance of secondary literature ("evidence" is quotation marks) because, he says, "Primal sources are acceptable."

One of been-there's classic gaffes. Lecturing, in his usual condescending tone, portentous sounding phrases and words - and "primal sources." Made me want to let out a primary scream!


How bored were you on a Sunday night to go read his horseshit... no aspersions cast, been there (Ha!) done that.

But watching the halt get all intellectual n arrogant n {!#%@} is highly entertaining...

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 12, 2017 1:50 am

LOL someone sent me a note about that . . . but I confess that the note got me reading . . . :)
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 2:05 am

So, I read this post, saw "primal scream" and my mind went here:
https://youtu.be/JC77NtzW7U4

Watch if you dare, everyone looks stoned.

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:07 pm

According to the evidence in old Rodoh treads, after been-there's above performance I proceeded to describe him as a 'dishonest little {!#%@}', a 'pompous twit', 'a {!#%@}', 'an idiot' and 'a dishonest {!#%@}'. one might conclude that been-there left me unimpressed and somewhat astonished at the {!#%@} he brings to the table.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 4:39 pm

LOL

Well, all he was asking for was some primal sources.

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:53 pm

or primary screams, who knows :)
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 12, 2017 6:11 pm

LOL

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Jeff_36 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:47 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Here been-there defends his ignorance of secondary literature ("evidence" is quotation marks) because, he says, "Primal sources are acceptable."

One of been-there's classic gaffes. Lecturing, in his usual condescending tone, portentous sounding phrases and words - and "primal sources." Made me want to let out a primary scream!


A great gaffe on his part, but topped, IMO, by his confusing of the AB Aktion with the Katyn massacre, detailed here by Cerdic. I'm not making it up, he really did get them mixed. What a total lightweight. :lol:

In all honesty I don't even think that Trollo would have been so moronic as to confuse those two distinct events.

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:05 am

Link?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Jeff_36 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 1:13 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Link?

viola, it was deathonacracker actually.

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Balmoral95 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 3:25 am

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Here been-there defends his ignorance of secondary literature ("evidence" is quotation marks) because, he says, "Primal sources are acceptable."

One of been-there's classic gaffes. Lecturing, in his usual condescending tone, portentous sounding phrases and words - and "primal sources." Made me want to let out a primary scream!


A great gaffe on his part, but topped, IMO, by his confusing of the AB Aktion with the Katyn massacre, detailed here by Cerdic. I'm not making it up, he really did get them mixed. What a total lightweight. :lol:

In all honesty I don't even think that Trollo would have been so moronic as to confuse those two distinct events.


Poor Been-There.... poor, poor Been-There... Sad watching someone commit cognitive suicide on the internet. AS we say in Philly, "whaddayagonnado"....

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:12 am

So Saggy is of the been-there/LGR school - faux anti-imperialism and faux defense of Palestine to attack the Jewish world conspiracy. The ISF thread is disappointing because the history of extermination of Jews during WWII is really separate from data on US bombing strikes in the Middle East . . . and should be kept so.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:15 am

Yeah, I glanced at that a little today, got bored and closed it.

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:So Saggy is of the been-there/LGR school - faux anti-imperialism and faux defense of Palestine to attack the Jewish world conspiracy.


Don't forget TDR and David. Left Wing Denialisim is what I call it.

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:12 am

Plenty of Commie and socialist deniers.

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 19, 2017 12:48 pm

Jeff_36 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:So Saggy is of the been-there/LGR school - faux anti-imperialism and faux defense of Palestine to attack the Jewish world conspiracy.


Don't forget TDR and David. Left Wing Denialisim is what I call it.

Phony.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:17 pm

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:So Saggy is of the been-there/LGR school - faux anti-imperialism and faux defense of Palestine to attack the Jewish world conspiracy.


Don't forget TDR and David. Left Wing Denialisim is what I call it.


Also Mahmoud "Abu-Mazen" Abbas, who got a Phd in History from the Univeraity of Moscow in the 1980s for an extremeley denier-ish thesis (B-B-B-But the Soviets invented and promoted the holohoax!!!!111")
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:23 pm

I won't believe it unless I see "primal sources."
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:55 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oth ... nd_Zionism

It's more of a conspiracy theory than a denier theory but it still has some denier-ish elements (including the claim that only 9,000 Jews were actually killed in the war) and Faurisson quotes, among others.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 19, 2017 3:06 pm

sorry, that was meant as mockery of the denier been-there . . .
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

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Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:So Saggy is of the been-there/LGR school - faux anti-imperialism and faux defense of Palestine to attack the Jewish world conspiracy.


Don't forget TDR and David. Left Wing Denialisim is what I call it.


Also Mahmoud "Abu-Mazen" Abbas, who got a Phd in History from the Univeraity of Moscow in the 1980s for an extremeley denier-ish thesis (B-B-B-But the Soviets invented and promoted the holohoax!!!!111")


Yossi Bellin states that Abbas has repudiated denial. The two met extensively in the 90's.

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:57 pm

Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Other_Side:_The_Secret_Relationship_Between_Nazism_and_Zionism

It's more of a conspiracy theory than a denier theory but it still has some denier-ish elements (including the claim that only 9,000 Jews were actually killed in the war) and Faurisson quotes, among others.


Agent 'Krotov'? (means 'mole')

Truth is, he never retracted his Holocaust denial book despite a request to do so from the Simon Wiesenthal Center. It was in his official website for free download, in Arabic, last time I checked.

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- Abbas had already been a graduate of the Damascus University's Faculty of Law, and was accepted in Moscow to study for a Candidate of Sciences degree, which is the Russian equivalent of a PhD in Social Sciences at Western universities.
Abbas first went at the Lumumba Peoples' Friendship University of Russia, then at Institute of Oriental Studies of the Academy of Sciences of the USSR. The university's president and Abbas' thesis highest supervisor at the time was Yevgeny Primakov, who later went on to become head of the KGB First Chief Directorate and helped it on its transition to the control of the Russian Federation government, under the new name Foreign Intelligence Service (SVR). He then served as Russia's minister of foreign affairs and later still as its prime minister.
His direct supervisor was Primakov's top Middle East expert, Prof. Vladimir Ivanovich Kiselev, appointed by Primakov.

And of course, I'm still trying to find out who was 'the re-known Canadian Rojeh Dilorm' who he quotes for the numbers of Jews killed.

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As for Left-Wing deniers and antisemites, sad but ...
http://www.paulbogdanor.com/antisemitism.html

... and some of them are Jews, the kind of Jews who are 'so proud to be ashamed to be Jews'.
According to experts and scholars, the 10 stages of every genocide are
Classification Symbolization Discrimination Dehumanization Organization Polarization Preparation Persecution Extermination
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XYZ Contagion (‘Because the truth is contagious‘), an investigative/research political and historical website, deals also with the Srebrenica Genocide
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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Tue Jun 20, 2017 7:23 am

> Candidate of Sciences degree, which is the Russian equivalent of a PhD in Social Sciences at Western universities

It's just the equivalent of a PhD. There was also a Doctor of Sciences, which is one step further.

Funny twist: Primakov was Jewish.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jun 26, 2017 10:38 pm

@Matthew Ellard, the last denier post in the subforum was about 4 months ago, David's last one was actually in February. Have there been other gaps in posting from deniers this long - or are we pretty much done here? Thanks, SM
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby NathanC » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:28 am

Saggy continues to make a fool of himself at the ISF. Poor idiot hasn't changed at all since he started posting 5 or 6 years ago there.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:30 am

I guess I need to pop back in and see how the silly fellow is.

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Postby NathanC » Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:26 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I guess I need to pop back in and see how the silly fellow is.


He still can't get the fact that the Holocaust was more than Auschwitz or Gassings. In his mind, since Himmler ordered Hoess to set up Auschwitz, that makes him the "architect of the Holocaust" (An appellation that's more often applied to Eichmann, since he was responsible for transporting the Jews and was the Point man for executing it most of the time).

My dislike of ISF's bizarre moderation policies is only slightly outweighed by my dislike of Saggy's continuous dishonesty.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Jul 09, 2017 4:57 pm

NathanC wrote:Saggy continues to make a fool of himself at the ISF. Poor idiot hasn't changed at all since he started posting 5 or 6 years ago there.

Really. It was amusing that he confused the EU and UN. That's quite a trick. The mods, Jesus wept: Saggy can make a post simply rejecting any criticism as coming from hasbara (I really need to find out what the {!#%@} hasbara actually do) and not a peep from the NKVD, but if someone so much as types Holocaust denier, slap, an edit or yellow card for ad hominem. That place sucks all around.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:31 pm

Look like we have a wi(e)nner.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc8GfN_96io

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Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:34 pm

I love how one the comments is "I wonder where is the memorial for the holodomor, an actual genocide done by Jewish bolshevsts?"

In Washington DC, ya fockin' stormfag
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:44 pm

What a worthless piece of {!#%@}. Does he think he is being clever or biting somehow? Anyway, comments are disabled for me when I gotothe YouTube link.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

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Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:I love how one the comments is "I wonder where is the memorial for the holodomor, an actual genocide done by Jewish bolshevsts?"


Because Stalin was totally a Jew, right, ok.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:52 am

A Hasbro troll:

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"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:21 am

:rotfl:

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:24 pm

I reported Saggy's hasbara post with the following note: "So are ad hominem attacks now permitted - or only when they are made by Holocaust deniers? Inquiring minds want to know . . . your standards."
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby NathanC » Mon Jul 10, 2017 3:42 pm

Just a friendly reminder that, contrary to their pretensions, Holocaust Deniers hate all people who are not "white", in addition to hating Jews. Their alleged "sympathy" for non-white people who are allegedly being used by the Jews against them is a smokescreen and a disguise.

While this fine fellow might have insulted the denier first, given their antisemitism and false statements, it was completely warranted. That said, I don't think there's any situation wherein racial slurs are a valid response.

And while it is true that Israel doesn't acknowledge the Armenian Genocide for various reasons (such as Turkish and Azeri pressure), the main thrust of the idiot's statement, that "Jews" as a whole deny the Genocide is factually incorrect, as shown by the example of the USC shoah foundation helping to promote education about it.

In case the redaction doesn't cover up the denier moron's identity properly, please let me know. I'm using this as an example but I still think the guy (and his critic's) privacy should be protected.

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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:29 pm

Continuing with Mr Anglin, some great matarials in the comment section of this video.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VyBD9opVGpk
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Re: The dumbest denier of all time

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Jul 10, 2017 9:23 pm

You know, even as a pacifist liberal I look at Andrew Anglin and think, "You know, he just has that kind of smug, smarmy face that deserves to be pummeled into oblivion."


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