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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 7:51 pm

And obsessive . . .
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Re: Elie Wiesel

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sun May 21, 2017 8:05 pm

Too bad for Ian that Wiesel's identity has been fully confirmed so he is reduced to discussing the identity of the camera. Well, as long as it keeps him off the streets...

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun May 21, 2017 8:07 pm

If he keeps it up his mom is going to ground him from the wifi. Again.
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Re: Elie Wiesel

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 8:10 pm

Sergey_Romanov wrote:Too bad for Ian that Wiesel's identity has been fully confirmed so he is reduced to discussing the identity of the camera. Well, as long as it keeps him off the streets...

But Ian has told us that that camera is all he cares about, well, D-H's guess about it . . . such a rich life Ian leads.
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Re: Elie Wiesel

Postby Ian Hazard » Sun May 21, 2017 9:02 pm

For the umpteenth time, all I want to know is this: How do you, Denying-History, know the camera used in the making of that film was a "cheap camera". Tell us the make and model and we will decide whether it was a cheap camera or not.

Stop dodging the question.

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Re: Elie Wiesel

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 9:05 pm

He's not online right now, dumbass.
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Re: Elie Wiesel

Postby Sergey_Romanov » Sun May 21, 2017 9:06 pm

Thug life.

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Re: Elie Wiesel

Postby Denying-History » Sun May 21, 2017 10:05 pm

Ian Hazard wrote:
Denying-History wrote:
Ian Hazard wrote:
Denying-History wrote:I also don't really see providing the make and model being worth my time, as all the videos which try to show Elie doesn't have a damn tattoo are shown in 360p. One of the lowest qualitys on YouTube.

I find it funny that you push that I claim to know the camera type but I don't, if you have read any of the comments I clearly say that the film quality is complete {!#%@}.


Denying-History wrote:Perhaps you missed the point of this, it was a cheap camera... This means that it was poor quality recording wise.


I'll take this as an admission you have lied to me and attempted to mislead the forum regarding the camera. You have claimed it was a cheap camera. That implies you must know the model type. Otherwise how could you have known it was a cheap camera?

What has the quality of the video on YouTube got to do with the quality the camera is actually capable of producing? Are you now compounding your original lie by suggesting this camera can only film at a maximum resolution of 360p?


Hey Ian, what model did Eric use to record his Treblinka film? What you don't know? Oh well it's totally not like you can tell the quality of the film from the upload quality. :roll:

Or could it just be that deniers perposly upload the footage in 360p?

No Ian it implies no such thing. Based on the footage deniers use its awkward angles and an over exposed shot. I have explained this before.

Now instead of dissapearing for months on end to only come back to cause issues over a dead mans tattoo. A man with hardly any impact on the actual quality of the historical research. (Why not complain about an easier target like Blaha?) Just admit the quality of the footage is shitty.

If you don't agree that the quality of this shot is dishonest, then I have nothing else to say to you.

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It's a shitty quality 360p reupload into a 'documentary' which is heavily saturated.

If you want to ignore all the clear quality photographs here which show a tattoo then you are just fooling yourself. Aaron's should have ended this, but for some unknown reason you wish to continue this petty issue of camera model. I don't have the camera model, but from the footage quality it's quite clear that 360p is not labeled as HD on youtube in fact it's the 3rd worst upload quality... That alone should tell you something and it implies two things.

A) Deniers are uploading shitty quality videos from the documentary on purpose.

Or

B) The camera was SHITTY.

Giving the uploader of any of the videos a benefit of the doubt, the Camera was shitty. Cause clearly when it's not a shitty camera his Tattoo appears just fine:

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Also the Tattoo is quite faded is you look at it. That tends to happen over a period of 60+ years.

Also mind that footage from that period is no where close to modern quality. So the assumption is quite clear here. The camera was ether {!#%@} awful or deniers are being dishonest.


Yawn!

I've told you before I am not a Holocaust revisionist. I don't care one way or the other if Elie Wiesel has a tattoo or not.
You are a revisionist, in my opinion, I saw your posts on Rodoh well before you went silent there. You were quite friendly with Fish. But this is completely irrelevant to the issue as my targeting was that giving deniers (not you) the benefit of the doubt would lead to the image quality being {!#%@}.

As for Elies Tattoo, you obviously do care considering you keep resurrecting this pointless chat about a man who died almost a year ago on July 2. Why you keep coming back to this issue if you didn't care simply proves my point from the last time you were here. You want to grave dig.

Ian Hazard wrote:For the umpteenth time all I want to know is this: How do you know the camera used in the making of that film was a "cheap camera". Tell us the make and model and we will decide whether it was a cheap camera or not.

Stop dodging the question.
I never dodged it, and have admitted relentlessly that I do not know the model, and I have never claimed to know the camera's model. But have explained my reasoning behind why the camera is {!#%@}. I left my answer above. You don't like it then you can leave.
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Re: Elie Wiesel

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun May 21, 2017 11:05 pm

Denying-History wrote:You were quite friendly with Fish.

Now that is what is called an understatement.

Denying-History wrote:I never dodged it, and have admitted relentlessly that I do not know the model, and I have never claimed to know the camera's model. But have explained my reasoning behind why the camera is {!#%@}. I left my answer above. You don't like it then you can leave.

Like Fish-Traynor, Fish-Hazard knows nothing about the history of the period we discuss here but posts nothing but insults, racist swill, self-righteous nonsense, and parodic lectures - as always, it's fun to have the fully demented Mr Albert with us.
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Re: Elie Wiesel

Postby Denying-History » Mon May 22, 2017 1:15 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:>> all I want to know is this: How do you know the camera used in the making of that film was a "cheap camera"

Big ambitions, huh? One thing I want to know, relevant to this thread, is how many times D-H must answer this same question?
My question is why does he keep return after months of solitude only to complain about a camera question I answered 5 months ago...
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Postby Ian Hazard » Mon May 22, 2017 1:57 pm

How do you know it was a cheap camera without knowing the model type?

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon May 22, 2017 1:58 pm

How do we know you're a moron? Inference. Based on your posts.
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Ian Hazard wrote:How do you know it was a cheap camera without knowing the model type?


If you want to ignore all the clear quality photographs here which show a tattoo then you are just fooling yourself. Aaron's should have ended this, but for some unknown reason, you wish to continue this petty issue of the camera model. I don't have the camera model, but from the footage quality it's quite clear that 360p is not labeled as HD on youtube in fact it's the 3rd worst upload quality... That alone should tell you something and it implies two things.

A) Deniers are uploading shitty quality videos from the documentary on purpose.

Or

B) The camera was SHITTY.

Giving the uploader of any of the videos a benefit of the doubt, the Camera was shitty...


All the footage I have found from the documentary is in the 360p quality... even footage uploaded by those who are not deniers. Also mind you have invented this whole claim that I "lied" about knowing the camera model when I have never made such an assertion.
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https://www.google.com/amp/www.chron.com/news/houston-deaths/amp/Alice-Lok-Cahana-artist-and-Holocaust-survivor-12417040.php

Alerted to this by a post on FG’s Blog, I won’t post her disrespectful attitude towards this survivor.
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The dried old cow at FG notwithstanding, the woman is dead. Doesn't matter.

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“Today I saw one of those places, saw it in all of its horror, all its filth, all its death.”
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Postby Denying-History » Fri Mar 09, 2018 7:33 am

Not used to this topic being revived by anyone but Ian.
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Denying-History wrote:Not used to this topic being revived by anyone but Ian.


I didn’t want to open a new topic so I used this one.
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Postby BRoI » Mon Mar 12, 2018 2:48 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/www.chron.com/news/houston-deaths/amp/Alice-Lok-Cahana-artist-and-Holocaust-survivor-12417040.php

Alerted to this by a post on FG’s Blog, I won’t post her disrespectful attitude towards this survivor.
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Not sure where else to put this....

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/08/health/world-war-ii-medic-anthony-acevedo-obit/index.html

Rest In Peace.


So, Anthony Acevedo, former PoW. This is from another article about his claims:

[...] Morton Goldstein, a member of Jack Vogel’s division—tried to get away but were also caught. “Goldstein’s body was returned here today for burial,” Acevedo noted in his diary. “He was shot while attempting to Re-escape. So they say but actually [he] was recaptured and shot thru the head.” Metz pulled the trigger.

https://www.amherst.edu/amherst-story/magazine/issues/2009fall/vogel


His diary does say that, but the final sentence was clearly added later.

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During his trial, Erwin Metz admitted to killing the American PoW Morton Goldstein:

Evidence for the Prosecution: Killing [...] About a kilometer from the work camp, according to the accused, Goldstein sought to escape when the accused stopped to talk to a civilian, The accused asserted he yelled "halt", four times and then fired two shots with his pistol. Goldstein was at least 30 meters away and running at the moment of firing (R 14; P-Ex 1, p. 4). One shot entered the head and the other the back (R 48; P-Ex 4, pp. 2,3).

Deputy Judge Advocate's Office
Review and Recommendations r.e. US vs. Erwin Metz et al. [tried at Dachau 03.09.46 - 15.10.46]
Case No. 12-1836
15 September 1947


Forensic evidence presented at the trial fully supported Metz' testimony

Evidence for the Prosecution: Killing [...] A pathologist who examined the bodies of American prisoners of war at Berga found one corresponding to the description of Goldstein with a bullet wound in the head and in the back. He stated that the bullets were fired "from rather a distance" (R 62, 516, 517; P-Ex 18, p. 3). A ballistic expert stated that the bullets found in the body were fired from a distance greater than 50 feet (R 522; D-Ex 13, p,2).


The pathologist was Major Herman Bolker, of the US Army MC. He also testified at the Hadamar trial.

Careful study of autopsy results concluded that the prisoner killed in Charge 1 was shot by Metz at a distance greater than 50 feet, lending credibility to his declaration that he had to load his pistol in order to fire at the escaping prisoner. Without solid evidence to tie Metz to an illegal killing, an opportunity was provided for subsequent review boards to modify the sentences of both defendants. Metz' sentence was commuted to 15 years and Merz' to 5 years in prison.

- Wesley Vincent Hilton,The Blackest Canvas: U.S. Army Courts and the Trials Of War Criminals In Post-World War II Europe, p.250
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Postby BRoI » Mon Mar 12, 2018 4:44 am

CNN wrote:
It was February 8, 1945, when they arrived. The camp was known as Berga an der Elster. The soldiers, Acevedo said, were given 100 grams of bread per week made of redwood sawdust, ground glass and barley. Soup was made from cats and rats.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/08/health/world-war-ii-medic-anthony-acevedo-obit/index.html


No mention of cat & rat soup or ground-glass and sawdust bread in his diary.



"Us medics went down to the SS Kitchen for our food. - On our way back we were surprised to meet a British Red Cross trucks with Red Cross Packages for our men. This was a very busy day."
21 March 1945 [image 11]

Red Cross packages still haven't been distributed to the prisoners. They're all thinking of the delicious foods they may contain, but most of the prisoners hoping they contain cigarettes.
23 March 1945 [image 12]

Packages still under lock and key. Hoping to get them ASAP to stop the prisoners dying, especially "those invalid diet"
24 March 1945 [image 12]

Going to church, it's Palm Sunday
25 March 1945 [image 13]

Packages released! "the boys are as happy as kids! I was just hoping as well as the rest of the medics not to have a big sick call the following days with stomach ache."
26 March 1945 [image 13]

"This morning us medics got together and ate scrambled eggs + sausages from our Red Cross boxes[.] Boy did we enjoy it."
27 March 1945 [image 13]

"Steve Schweitzer was made librarian and received some books from the Red Cross. We thanked God we had something decent to read." More Red Cross packages due on Easter Sunday.
28 March 1945 [image 13]

"Holy Thursday[.] Us medics still bring the chow for our men. - 3 o'clock in the morning we go for coffee or tea - at 11.00 we march out for soup hoping to it will be potato soup or oat meal and at night we go for more coffee and bread is given out + butter (margarine) + marmalade."
29 March 1945 [image 13-14]

Good Friday. Thoughts are with those back home. It's also the Feast of the Passover. Jewish comrades are also thinking of home and family.
30 March 1945 [image 15]

Holy Saturday. Lent and fasting ends at noon. But non applicable to us "we have been fasting since December 31, 1944"
31 March 1945 [image 16]

East Sunday - "Our men don't work today, thus Red Cross boxes are given out"
1 April 1945 [image 16]

Rumoured that moving soon
3 April 1945 [17]

Def. moving soon
4 April 1945 [17]

Travelled c.25 kms to another camp. Medics rode with the sick men.
6 April 1945 [17]

Frightened by the prospect of today's 25km walk.
7 April 1945 [21]

Marched 10 km today.
8 April 1945 [21]

Soup was better today. PoW Stanley Cohen purchased 500lbs of potatoes
10 April 1945 [22]

Stuck in the same place due to USAF. Bread ration cut to 10 men per loaf and 22 men to #10 can of meat
11 April 1945 [22]

Was on burning detail today. Had to hide in the woods when USAF starting strafing the roads.
12 April 1945 [22]

Prayers said for FDR's passing.
13 April 1945 [23]

Everyone's infected with body lice
14 April 1945 [23]

More marching. "drew a ration of bread[,] meat and marmalade for three days."
15 April 1945 [24]

Marched all day. "Drew one days ration of meat and marmalade"
16 April 1945 [24]

Marching. Got split up from the guards. Spent the night in a barn "the people treated us very fine. Coffee was given to us and also bread. "the next morning: hot coffee - milk and hot spuds were given to me and the fellows"
19 April 1945 [25]

At midnight on the 22nd, arrived at a barn and was given hot cooked spuds. Tea was given out in the morning. Bread and meat ration: 5 men to a loaf and 5 men to a can of meat. "by 11:30 + 12:00 pea soup was given out boy it was great while not having something to eat" "I was waiting in line for seconds in soup" when we heard US troops shooting nearby. The guards told us to move out, but the prisoners decided to stay in the barn. Some guards fled, others surrendered to the prisoners. PoW were liberated by US Army.
20, 21, 22 April 1945 [35-36]
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