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For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon May 16, 2016 12:06 am

You are are giving to much emotional angst to our bunch of banana eating, neo nazi retards. I prefer simply teasing them. :D

Take the Skinheads Bowling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INnFvMgET1E

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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon May 16, 2016 1:36 am

I just saw the successor group to Camper Van play a gig, effing David Lowery - always a favorite. "Every day, I get up and pray to Jah
and he decreases the number of clocks by exactly one . . ." wtf?!?!? LOL
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon May 16, 2016 2:06 am

Putting forward political views in music, does seem to be very hit and miss. There are many simply woeful songs from bands trying too hard to politically "edgy" when they are really just bands playing music.

From the punk and post punk period, I can think of three "rock opera albums" that describe the day to day lifestyle of poverty stricken English people stuck in economic hardship. However these three albums don't make a direct political statement but simply describe the environment. As the actual message is ambiguous the listener apply their own political views to what they hear.

Sham 69 ( "That's life"), XTC ("Go 2") and Gang of Four ("Songs of the free") have similar vignette songs flowing through almost clear narrative albums. However Sham 69 ended up as a anthem band for skinheads and Gang of Four an anthem band for middle class socialists, yet XTC's album is just vaguely remembered as "quirky' record. I actually like all three albums.

I think that's obviously a skill in good song writing. You write a song with an ambiguous message and let the listeners assume that they share your views.

Here is a really bad political song from the bloke who took over Ultravox and the ex-bass player of the Sex pistols. They are simply "trying too hard". What a bunch of prats! :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efO-_4_vXk

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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon May 16, 2016 2:48 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:Sham 69 ( "That's life"), XTC ("Go 2") and Gang of Four ("Songs of the free") have similar vignette songs flowing through almost clear narrative albums. However Sham 69 ended up as a anthem band for skinheads and Gang of Four an anthem band for middle class socialists, yet XTC's album is just vaguely remembered as "quirky' record. I actually like all three albums.

I love all three bands. Definitely Go4 the most. Jealous that my son and wife got to see Go4 one night when I had to work - and surrender my ticket to my wife. But I got to see Nirvana with Half Japanese and The Breeders in one of their last US gigs with my son when he was a wee whippersnapper . . .

Btw Cracker was great but Lowery's voice is different - no longer so smart-alecky, like he actually sings now instead of whining and sounding snarky. It was disconcerting but a great show.

I find this absolutely hysterical, very typical of Lowery:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MlpakTP24I
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Jeff_36 » Mon May 16, 2016 4:38 am

Now if you gentlemen are discussing political music , nothing compares to this. Arguably the greatest protest song of all time IMO. The guitar solo at 3:45 is sizzling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB84hUxTD0w
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon May 16, 2016 4:44 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote: I love all three bands. Definitely Go4 the most. Jealous that my son and wife got to see Go4 one night when I had to work - and surrender my ticket to my wife. But I got to see Nirvana with Half Japanese and The Breeders in one of their last US gigs with my son when he was a wee whippersnapper . . .


You caught me off guard. I had a totally different assumption as to what your taste in music would be. It goes to show, I should never assume anything.

I loved the original punk and immediate post-punk bands, because it was "tongue in cheek" humour mixed with politics and funny social commentary. However a band called Crass turned up with serious political aspirations, logos and followers who thought they were "the real thing". I hated all of them.

I simply loved the Buzzcocks. I knew they were mostly pop love songs. What I didn't know for three years was that they were love songs about boys...........which I should have picked up by actually reading the lyrics. :lol:

"Heaven 17"
The band that took the most piss out of Euro capitalism was Heaven 17. They didn't knock or insult Euro capitalism, they joined it and made it an entire theme of piss-taking from the inside. They were very funny. Roxy Music did this same sort of piss take on Sloane Rangers and Princess Di look-a-likes, but when they reformed, everyone thought they were being serious. That must have annoyed Bryan Ferry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgO9fBaVsYw
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon May 16, 2016 10:36 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:I simply loved the Buzzcocks.

Ditto. When Green Day arrived, I took a listen and said, "{!#%@}, at least they listened to the Buzzcocks." Buzzcocks's songs were perfect.

Some folks are aware that my favorite band of all-time is The Fall.
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Denying-History » Tue May 17, 2016 12:21 am

Well we could always just look at their hero.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ug5IHeEUVDA
« Yes, that may surprise some people, including my colleagues. But have no illusions. I never compelled anybody to work for me, just as we didn't compel the German people. They themselves gave us the job to do. Why did you work with me? Now, you'll have your little throat cut...but the earth will shake when we leave the scene... »
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue May 17, 2016 2:36 am

I think you bunch of nasty historians, are being very unfair to David, the holocaust denier. No one has posted David's favourite song.

Tomorrow Belongs to Me (Just not the Jews and Commies)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN7r0Rr1Qyc

I wonder if they sang this song to the Red Army when the Red Army entered Berlin. Oh I forgot, all those young boys already had their heads blown off on some distant Russian battlefield, for absolutely no point whatsoever.

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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Denying-History » Tue May 17, 2016 2:45 am

Lol that's a good one!

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp7lBlUSWGY

At 20 seconds you will see David on an adverage night with his friends out at the club.

At 27 Seconds this is the issue for him that stems for him when answering the phone. This is why he generally cannot understand a thing anyone tells him.

At 36 seconds you can see an adverage debate on SSF for him.

At 43 seconds you see what happens to his right arm when ever he is asked by SM to make a simple map so he can understand David's route.
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 23, 2018 2:33 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Here is a really bad political song from the bloke who took over Ultravox and the ex-bass player of the Sex pistols. They are simply "trying too hard". What a bunch of prats! :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3efO-_4_vXk


I realize it's been a long time but I just ran across this.

That song is awful. The lead singer's hair is too nice for him to be considered "edgy."

:D
‘I have not left anybody in the dark about the fact that this time, millions of adult men would not die, and hundreds of thousands of women and children would not be burnt or bombed to death in the cities, without the actual culprit, albeit by more humane means, having to pay for his guilt.’
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:03 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:That song is awful. The lead singer's hair is too nice for him to be considered "edgy."
:D


Well the lead singer thought so too. So he quit the band and replaced Ultravox's singer and made a fortune with the song Vienna..........where nice hair was acceptable. :D

The original Ultravox, with John Foxx as vocalist was a pretty good early punk art band, like Wire. You may know this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3kQr4lAcsA

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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:29 pm

Loved Ultravox back in the day, favorite song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGzhqsEt76Y
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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby iwh » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:58 pm

Still never forgiven Joe Dolce for keeping Vienna off the top spot in 81.

https://youtu.be/sFacWGBJ_cs
For a debunking of new boy on the block John Wear see:

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Re: For Monstrous, David, Ian and Mary

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:15 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:You are are giving to much emotional angst to our bunch of banana eating, neo nazi retards. I prefer simply teasing them. :D

Take the Skinheads Bowling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INnFvMgET1E


See, I joined the Skeptics Forum to learn more and do battle against deniers, little did I know I would get exposed to some great music.

“Had a dream--I wanted to lick your knees”

Huh???? LOL

I’m sure Matthew will appreciate this as he is busy not sleeping. :D
‘I have not left anybody in the dark about the fact that this time, millions of adult men would not die, and hundreds of thousands of women and children would not be burnt or bombed to death in the cities, without the actual culprit, albeit by more humane means, having to pay for his guilt.’
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