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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:29 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:"all risks to security and unless consumers of food")

was that a typo for "useless" consumers of food, as in vagrants?

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:31 am

LOL sorry, I will fix it!
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:35 am

I wasn't sure I wanted to read another biography of Hitler but what you just posted may have persuaded me.

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Nov 29, 2016 12:38 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:LOL sorry, I will fix it!
I still read every post here. I just don't have the knowledge to contribute much anymore. :D

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:58 pm

Another example of early experience which the Nazis later raided on a grander scale: in spring 1923, reports Ullrich, bands of SA men took control of the streets in Munich assaulting Jews and harassing shopkeepers; one of their targets was a bookstore on Brienner Strasse where they sought "to remove works they found objectionable from [the] main window display . . ." The shop owner complained to Hitler about his "thugs." (pp 136-137) In 1933 party and mob "objections" to what Germans might read were to be taken further than this.

Similarly, Hitler would in the future draw on his own words from the pre-1933 period. One case came from a letter which Hitler wrote in early 1930: "In the past," wrote the Führer, "I have been a prophet in many things," using a phrase he later echoed a decade later in a different context in his infamous speech to the Reichstag 30 January 1939. In 1930 Hitler's "prophecy" was the unlikely prospect that within 2-1/2 to 3 years (that is, by 1933) the Nazi "triumph" would occur.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:00 am

:D Ok, ok. You've persuaded me.
I'll get the book.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 30, 2016 12:11 am

LOL, wait for the paperback version! Hardback is a billion dollars. Ok, $40. The book doesn't supersede Kershaw, IMO, but it's really good, so far, a strong history of the Nazi movement in its time and an interesting portrait of Hitler that's a bit different to others. Much good debunking of myths about Hitler. And it is good reading, too!
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:02 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:LOL, wait for the paperback version! Hardback is a billion dollars. Ok, $40. The book doesn't supersede Kershaw, IMO, but it's really good, so far, a strong history of the Nazi movement in its time and an interesting portrait of Hitler that's a bit different to others. Much good debunking of myths about Hitler. And it is good reading, too!



There's a Kindle Version for 17.99.

The excerpts you posted show new information so it looks like something worthwhile to pick up.

Almost done with Cesarani, I've got Richard Evans Pursuit of Power up next.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:42 am

That's better. It's actually worth $40 but still . . . I wonder when the war years will be published in German/English . . . ?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:57 pm

I checked, I didn't see a title or publication date.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 10:31 pm

I just finished the Cesarani book during lunch.

It was very good. Stat Mech already posted about the boycott.

I highly recommend this to anyone. What sucks is I now have to find something else to read. I can't buy anything right now because that will bring down the wrath of the accountant (aka my wife). I'm forbidden to buy anything new so she can get me things for Christmas.... :D

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:06 pm

Ok, well, I'm going with the Origins of the Final Solution. I have a copy, hopefully it will keep me busy for a bit.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Nov 30, 2016 11:54 pm

You won't go wrong with that book. Despite disagreements - I am more of the Gerlach school - it's excellent.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Denying-History » Thu Dec 01, 2016 3:44 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Ok, well, I'm going with the Origins of the Final Solution. I have a copy, hopefully it will keep me busy for a bit.


If your interested I have a copy of Götz Aly's "'final solution' Nazi population policy and the murder of the European Jews". It covers a same topic area.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

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Denying-History wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Ok, well, I'm going with the Origins of the Final Solution. I have a copy, hopefully it will keep me busy for a bit.


If your interested I have a copy of Götz Aly's "'final solution' Nazi population policy and the murder of the European Jews". It covers a same topic area.


Sure. That would be great, I can read it too.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:37 pm

Volker Ullrich is among the historians discussing President-elect Trump and the Führer in today's Grauniad. One point he makes - about Hitler's intelligence vs Trump's - is expected from his Hitler bio, which credits Hitler's native smarts, auto-didactic efforts, and voluminous if unsystematic and largely uncritical reading. Trump reading? Brrraahaahhahahhaa!!!!
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 6:48 pm

I have two books on hold as e-books from my local library:

The Vanquished by Robert Gerwarth, it's about the ethnic and state violence that occurred after WW I.

Pursuit of Power by Richard Evans, a history of Europe between 1815-1914, it's one I've had on hold since the middle of November.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:09 pm

Gerwarth's bio of Heydrich is well worth reading: he takes Longerich's pov on the decision in favor of the Final Solution.

I am now adding The Unvanquished to my reading list as it is on a topic of great interest and importance - thanks for the heads up!
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:11 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Gerwarth's bio of Heydrich is well worth reading: he takes Longerich's pov on the decision in favor of the Final Solution.

I am now adding The Unvanquished to my reading list as it is on a topic of great interest and importance - thanks for the heads up!



I may suck it up and try Longerich again.

I'm tossing out books that I either get or have holds on to see if anyone has an interest, thanks for the feedback.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Dec 06, 2016 2:23 pm

Erik Larson, In the Garden of the Beasts (Berlin 1933, recommended by Balsamo and it turns out by my wife too; based on Larson's book on the Chicago Exposition, The Devil in the White City, it has to be as great a read as Balsamo says - thanks for recommending!)
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:23 pm

Ullrich's Hitler biography is one I highly recommend. It's not as strong as I'd like, in terms of amount of coverage, for foreign policy (the book concludes btw with Hitler's 50th birthday, not the invasion of Poland, which makes sense in terms of what will be Ullrich's overarching argument about WWII, foreshadowed in this first volume); on the other hand, Ullrich's discussion of foreign policy is good, fitting well with other reading I've done - it's just not extensive.

Ullrich highlights two constants in Hitler's outlook from the early '20s: removal of Jews from Germany to solve "the Jewish question" and conquest of Lebensraum in the East to solve "the German question." Ullrich's discussion, however, makes clear a third part of Hitler's idée fixe - crushing the Left, broadly defined (where liberals become Marxists).

Btw, Himmler also is underdeveloped, compared to Rohm for example, and I think Ullrich could have done more on the relationship of Göring and Goebbels to Hitler - the material on those two is extensive (Ullrich's really mined Goebbels' diaries in particular, to very good use), but it reads more like a general history centered on the Führer in places than a biography. That said, Ullrich's portraits of Hitler's inner circles in Berlin and at the Obersalzberg, as well as Hitler's personal life, are quite strong. Last, the development and nature of the Führer cult, and the impact of the cult on Hitler himself, are well done.

Much as I spend time reading specialist literature and translated documents, I find it is good to step back and take in broader narrative histories, like this one, Cesarani's recent book, etc. In keeping with this thought, next up:
- Fritzsche, An Iron Wind: Europe Under Hitler
- Ohler, Blitzed: Drugs in Nazi Germany
then on to Goldstein & Goldstein, The Holocaust in Croatia; Horwitz's book on the city/region around Mauthausen, and Ceastecker & Moore, Refugees from Nazi Germay and the Liberal European States
That should keep me busy for a bit.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:35 pm

The Vanquished came in today. That's what I'm reading next.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 14, 2016 10:46 pm

I picked up Gordon Horwitz's 1990 book, In the Shadow of Death: Living Outside the Gates of Mauthausen. The book is nowhere near as good as his later study of Łódź ghetto. But there's a similarity in approach: both are regional studies of a Nazi institutional for punishment and control. Even though the Mauthausen book isn't strong, I really like the thinking behind it. Some of the geographies of the Holocaust projects should get at this kind of stuff - but what I've read has been disappointing. Dwork & Pelt did a fairly nice job on Oświęcim-Auschwitz taking a regional approach - as did, with a somewhat different twist, Mary Fulbrook (A Small Town Near Auschwitz: Ordinary Nazis and the Holocaust) and Marek Rawecki's Auschwitz-Birkenau Zone is a close study of the landscape, land use, and human characteristics of the Auschwitz complex area. A colleague of mine is taking a regional approach in studying Sobibór - and this is done really well, without a focus on Sobibór, really strong on the regional context.

If I were younger, and read German and Polish, I'd turn my Majdanek interest to Majdanek-in-Lublin, which is crying out for this kind of understanding, given Globocnik's economic and penal apparatus in the city as well as the large local Jewish population (in contrast to Mauthausen), the roundups beginning March 1942, Lublin's relationship to Einsatz Reinhard as a whole, and the local ghetto, Majdan Tatarski. The study would look at which groups were economic and political winners under the occupation. Lublin's - and Majdanek's - part in pacification and control of the Polish population would form another set of issues, clearly not at play in Horwitz's Mauthausen case. A comparative study, looking at regional developments in various cities with KLs, would also be very fruitful, I'd think.

Annoyingly, Horwitz relies on the bystander model - even discussing people who business or official ties drew them into the operations of the Mauthausen camp.

Despite its announced aim, Horwitz's book fails as a regional study - it's more a grab bag of observations, testimonies, and perceptions on the part of people living in the vicinity of Mauthausen. Anyway, pedestrian as it is (and poorly organized), Horwitz's book includes both an interesting angle of approach, its stated aim being to study the region and Mauthausen, and some useful information on testimonies, observations, and interactions of local businesses, officials, residents, and employees with the Mauthausen camp. Much more is possible in terms of regional histories.
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:02 pm

I finished Vanquished.

The author writes about the turmoil in Eastesrn Europe and Turkey after the war. He talks about the Freikorps and their actions, not only in Poland but the Baltic states. He examines in some detail the conditions in Bulgaria, Germany, Hungary, Romania, Turkey, Italy and Greece after the war. He notes that even those countries that wound up on the winning side, for example Italy, had their own gripes with the post war order.
He also examines what happened in Russia and then the USSR during the Soviet Civil War.
For those wanting a good overall look at the conditions in Eastern Europe I recommend this book.

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Postby NathanC » Wed Dec 21, 2016 5:40 pm

Does anyone know about Ulf Schmidt? I'm trying to decide if I should get his book about the Nuremberg Doctors' trial, or Savage continent by Keith Lowe for christmas. Savage continent covers a broader topic (Europe after the war), but Schmidt's topic interests me, too. Also, Schmidt's book is on sale which makes it cheaper than Savage Continent.

Justice at Nurmeberg: Leo Alexander and the Nazi Doctor's trial.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Ju ... sc=y&hl=en

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:06 pm

NathanC wrote:Does anyone know about Ulf Schmidt? I'm trying to decide if I should get his book about the Nuremberg Doctors' trial, or Savage continent by Keith Lowe for christmas. Savage continent covers a broader topic (Europe after the war), but Schmidt's topic interests me, too. Also, Schmidt's book is on sale which makes it cheaper than Savage Continent.

Justice at Nurmeberg: Leo Alexander and the Nazi Doctor's trial.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Ju ... sc=y&hl=en


Savage Continent is excellent.

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NathanC wrote:Does anyone know about Ulf Schmidt? I'm trying to decide if I should get his book about the Nuremberg Doctors' trial, or Savage continent by Keith Lowe for christmas. Savage continent covers a broader topic (Europe after the war), but Schmidt's topic interests me, too. Also, Schmidt's book is on sale which makes it cheaper than Savage Continent.

Justice at Nurmeberg: Leo Alexander and the Nazi Doctor's trial.

https://books.google.com/books/about/Ju ... sc=y&hl=en


Ulf Schmidt's book is very good and one of several books on NMT trials I would heartily recommend.* Wasn't as impressed with Savage Continent, maybe because I'd read a lot of studies of individual aspects.

*the main other recommendation would be Kevin Heller's comprehensive overview of all NMT trials (Oxford University Press), its great strength is its close engagement with legal issues, which, um, you know, really do matter when analysing trials.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 6:46 pm

Ok, so, a list so far:
Volker Ullrich, Hitler: Ascent, 1889-1939
I wasn't sure if I wanted to read another bio of Hitler so soon after Kershaw's excellent two volume history but what Stat Mech posted so far peaked my interest.
Christian Gerlach: The Extermination of the European Jews
I want to get another viewpoint to see how it agrees/disagrees with Cesarani.
Mark Mazowar: Dark Continent: Europe's Twentieth Century
I liked "Hitler's Empire," I want to see how this matches up.
Richard Overy: Russia's War: Blood upon the Snow
Back to military history, I read "the Dictators," his book on Stalin and Hitler. A very good book. I wanted to get his book on the bombing campaign but it may wait.
I will also go back through what Nick Terry and Stat Mech suggested, see what's available.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:41 pm

NathanC wrote:Does anyone know about Ulf Schmidt?

recommend Schmidt's biography of Karl Brandt very highly; it's a really good book
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 21, 2016 7:48 pm

Mazower is excellent and goes well with a book I do not like but others do like, Bloxham's The Final Solution

PS agree with Nick on Heller; it is encyclopedic but like an encyclopedia with really sharp analysis
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 8:38 pm

I may add Heller, I've read some things on Nuremberg but I could always use more info.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:54 pm

Fritzsche, An Iron Wind: Europe Under Hitler

I may add this one as well.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:33 pm

I just read it, so-so, you have many other better books on your lists
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:00 am

Thanks. Trying to see what else you and Nick Terry listed that looks interesting.
Really want to read the Christian Gerlach book.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Dec 24, 2016 12:35 pm

Goldstein & Goldstein, The Holocaust in Croatia is, as we used to say in Boston, a wicked pissa. The book is hyper-empirical, with comprehensive sourcing. It's long, thorough, and relentless. Also - and this may sound strange referring to the Ustasha - balanced and careful. The authors are careful not to overstate things or get out in front of evidence in any way. Many of the topics include long lists of specific cases - hundreds of them throughout the book - describing exactly what became of particular Jewish individuals and families. One constant theme of the book is German pressure on Ustasha to complete the genocide and to implement it with less chaos, corruption, and negative fallout for the war (in this process, Auschwitz would become during '42-'43 a preferred deportation destination for Croatian Jews). The direct involvement of the SD, German embassy and other German organizations is chronicled in detail. The authors cover each of the Ustasha camps, including lesser known camps and transit operations; there's a long chapter on Jasenovac. So microscopic is the detail that not just waves of deportations are covered but also arrests and seizures of individuals and small groups throughout the ar. The authors are keen on explaining their documentation and other sources, its limits, and why they draw the conclusions they do. I'll have more to say later. Really good book.

PS for D-H: no reference to a gas chamber operating in Jasenovac.
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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Denying-History » Sun Dec 25, 2016 3:29 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:PS for D-H: no reference to a gas chamber operating in Jasenovac.


Thanks for the notice.
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Jeff_36 wrote:Sara Berger's book


I've checked, there is no English translation of this book yet, at least on Amazon.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Dec 25, 2016 2:37 pm

sigh, Curilla, Gerlach's Kalkulierte Morde, Orth on the KLs, Bubnys and Dieckmann on Lithuania, Berger on AR, Schwindt on Majdanek . . .
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:19 pm

Ok, so here's a list of what I've picked up (best gift ever, 100.00 Amazon Gift Card!!!)
Hitler: Ascent 1889-1939
Dark Continent: Europe's 20th Century
Dark Heart of Hitler's Europe: Nazi Rule in Poland
The Extermination of the European Jews

I wasn't sure I wanted to read another Hitler biography but Stat Mech's posts persuaded me.
Gerlach's book is up first, I want to compare it to Cesarani.
I'm struggling over my final selection.
I may just keep the rest in reserve.

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Re: General Books/Reading Discussion

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Dec 25, 2016 4:20 pm

All of the above are Kindle versions, no waiting for physical copies to arrive.


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