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Postby iwh » Thu Sep 10, 2015 12:18 pm

According to deniers, "3,375,000 inmates, the vast majority of whom were Jewish" received payments from the German Government after the war in the form of reparations.

The original source for this claim seems to be Stäglich's, "Auschwitz: A Judge Looks at the Evidence"

The source Staglich gives for this claim is pretty clear. Or is it?

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Let us look at the source Staglich gives us:

The New York Jewish publication Aufbau.

Ok so far....the publication did and indeed does exist. Now let's look at the date the alleged 3 million number comes from:

June 30, 1965

Now, it so happens that the Aufbau past editions are on line and can be found here:

https://archive.org/details/aufbau

If you look for the 30 June 1965 edition, it doesn't seem to be there. There is a 25 June edition and a 2 July edition. This makes sense when you consider that the periodical looks as if it is a weekly one.

Is this another example of denier deception, or is there something I am missing here?

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Re: Reparations

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:00 pm

iwh,

A warm welcome back.

Have you caught Stäglich out in what a denier might call a porkie? Interestingly, I looked up Stäglich and Aufbau. Stäglich footnoted the claim about Aufbau to
Harwood, Six Million?, p. 28, last paragraph. See also Härtle in Das Freie Forum, edition 4/1975, p. 4.

On p 28 Harwood discussed lampshades and soap, claims of forged photos (Udo Walendy), a supposed survey of “the Jewish question” by the International Committee of the Red Cross, and shipments of Red Cross packages to KL inmates. In the last paragraph specifically Harwood described the number of Red Cross parcels sent to inmates, their weight, contents, and to which camps the parcels went. Nary a peep about Aufbau or the 3,375,000 figure. Hunh?

Oh well, it appears that Stäglich read neither Aufbau nor Harwood - Harwood not carefully anyway, for on p 33 of Did Six Million Really Die? in fact, not on "p. 28, last paragraph," Harwood does cite Aufbau for “June 30, 1965” for the 3,375,000 figure. Same mystery though - only now we have Harwood seeming to have cited an unpublished number of Aufbau and a rather lackadaisical and gullible Stäglich mindlessly going along with him.

I can’t find the Härtle publication also cited.

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Postby iwh » Thu Sep 10, 2015 4:17 pm

Hi Stat...

Thanks for the welcome.

So basically it is Harwood yet again who is the source of all the crap. That is the second one now I have found...the "ICRC Auschwitz was visited regularly" rubbish, and now this reparations one. Deniers are just blind fools who believe what they are told by their own. Nobody can be bothered to check

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Postby Mary Q Contrary » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:51 pm

Any figures that Stäglich quoted would be out of date. The Claims Conference has much more up to date information.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:11 pm

Mary Q Contrary wrote:Any figures that Stäglich quoted would be out of date. The Claims Conference has much more up to date information.

The question here, which you're trying to divert from, unsuccessfully, is why the source for the numbers Stäglich and Harwood gave when they gave them, doesn't seem to exist. This is about either shoddy research or dishonesty.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:30 am

Seems the numbers are on p 29 (under "Der Boden des Fasses ist sichtbar") in a supplement of the periodical of the March 26, 1965 issue: http://www.archive.org/stream/aufbau321 ... 2/mode/1up



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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:20 am

Nice.

Which suggests that . . .
1) Harwoord/Stäglich cited a non-existent issue of Aufbau - June 30, 1965 - whereas numbers, such as they are, can be found in the 26 March issue
2) the source for the Harwoord/Stäglich remains elusive - as the total figure given in the 26 March issue was 3,351,000 claims vs Harwood/Stäglich's slightly higher 3,375,000 - so if point #1 is right, they misstated the total sloppily or there's yet another issue out there . . .
3) Harwood/Stäglitz had the claims being for former KL inmates only whereas the claims discussed in Aufbau don't seem to have been so restricted - and implying that they may be for all "survivors" (which would include many others, namely, Jews who during the war years lived in a country that was ruled/occupied by the Nazis or their allies)
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:17 am


thanks, i miss roberto, indefatigable and thorough are words that come to mind, good link

schroedinger sans cat is also excellent, learned a lot from the thread
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 11, 2015 12:48 pm

The life and work of Hilde (Speer) Schramm provides a necessary counterpoint to some of the more noxious denier spewing in the AHF thread linked to by Xcalibur, and puts into context the whole discussion of German reparations/compensation

some background

recent news on Schramm
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby iwh » Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:47 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Seems the numbers are on p 29 (under "Der Boden des Fasses ist sichtbar") in a supplement of the periodical of the March 26, 1965 issue: http://www.archive.org/stream/aufbau321 ... 2/mode/1up



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Thanks. So he got the date wrong then...March 25

I don't read German, so exactly what is the context for the numbers here?

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Postby iwh » Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:13 pm

Ah...I've just read the Roberto post at AHF.

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Excellent post. Roberto at his best in my opinion.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 11, 2015 3:12 pm

iwh wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:Seems the numbers are on p 29 (under "Der Boden des Fasses ist sichtbar") in a supplement of the periodical of the March 26, 1965 issue: http://www.archive.org/stream/aufbau321 ... 2/mode/1up



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Thanks. So he got the date wrong then...March 25

I don't read German, so exactly what is the context for the numbers here?

Well he also got the number wrong, so it is a bit murky. And Roberto and schroedinger explain the numbers and issues, years hence, very, very well indeed in the thread Xcalibur linked to. I do think you spotted some misfiring chicanery, to mix metaphors.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Sep 11, 2015 5:07 pm

So it seems... as far as we can tell from the March 26, 1965 publication, as of January 1, 1965, of the 3,078,669 processed applications (total claims: 3,350,757), 58% had been approved, 42% rejected for various reasons, leaving a total of 1,785,628 approved applications.*





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Postby iwh » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:22 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:So it seems... as far as we can tell from the March 26, 1965 publication, as of January 1, 1965, of the 3,078,669 processed applications (total claims: 3,350,757), 58% had been approved, 42% rejected for various reasons, leaving a total of 1,785,628 approved applications.*





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Which matches up to Roberto's figures.

Of course those 1.7 million are not just Jews.

Apparently Rudolf has seen the same report, or at least a reference to it. He arrives at the same conclusions as Roberto...I know...it's hard to believe!!

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Roberto at his best, IOM was a scathing beating of Hargis on TII that I linked in an earlier thread.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:54 pm

Really, it's all about Jewish greed and extracting reparations payments from gullible Germans. That's the hoax in a nutshell: the most successful scam in history.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby NathanC » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:07 pm

Both Tom Segev and Nikolaus Waschmann tackle the subject of Reparations to survivors. Segev in particular talked about how Stingy the West German government was in compensating survivors in the 50s and 60s. The application requirements were difficult and the government assessors, strict. Survivors pretty much received as low as 500, 400 or even 100 USD. Really not enough to live on. Waschmann mentions this too.

Rather than the caricature of "Jewish greed and extracting money from gullible Germans", what actually happened was closer to "unrepentant Germans screwing their Jewish victims over one last time".

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:26 pm

And, as their article explains, now 1/3 of Holocaust survivors in the US are said to be living below the poverty line. Some scam, eh?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 7:32 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:And, as their article explains, now 1/3 of Holocaust survivors in the US are said to be living below the poverty line. Some scam, eh?


Sadly (scandalously) the same exists for survivors in Israel:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/12122754/Tens-of-thousands-of-Israeli-Holocaust-survivors-are-living-in-abject-poverty.html

That was from last year.

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Postby Jeff_36 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 8:54 pm

iwh wrote:
So basically it is Harwood yet again who is the source of all the crap. That is the second one now I have found...the "ICRC Auschwitz was visited regularly" rubbish, and now this reparations one. Deniers are just blind fools who believe what they are told by their own. Nobody can be bothered to check



It seems to me that Harwood, even by denier standards, had no regard for the truth and was at worst a serial liar and at best a painfully ignorant and sloppy researcher. Many of the basic denial canards that I have seen on reddit in the past year seem to be derived from his screeds.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:13 pm

I miss iwh. He was very insightful, careful and an all around good guy. He was active on Rodoh1.0.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:I miss iwh. He was very insightful, careful and an all around good guy. He was active on Rodoh1.0.


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Statistical Mechanic wrote:I miss iwh. He was very insightful, careful and an all around good guy. He was active on Rodoh1.0.



And at AHF way back when. Used to give Mills migraines. :lol:

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Fri Jan 27, 2017 9:23 pm

NathanC wrote:Survivors pretty much received as low as 500, 400 or even 100 USD. Really not enough to live on. Waschmann mentions this too.

Rather than the caricature of "Jewish greed and extracting money from gullible Germans", what actually happened was closer to "unrepentant Germans screwing their Jewish victims over one last time".


This is true for Greece as well. Maybe you are familiar with the Max Merten case, in late 50s.
He was convicted in Greece for war crimes, but because Greece right government needed desperately a loan from Germany, Greek government released him and made the trade with the loan and some compensations for the victims of nazism and work slave labour (not only Jews).
Most people got as much money as 3 dollars of the time.

http://magazin.spiegel.de/EpubDelivery/ ... f/43066854
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Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:
NathanC wrote:Survivors pretty much received as low as 500, 400 or even 100 USD. Really not enough to live on. Waschmann mentions this too.

Rather than the caricature of "Jewish greed and extracting money from gullible Germans", what actually happened was closer to "unrepentant Germans screwing their Jewish victims over one last time".


This is true for Greece as well. Maybe you are familiar with the Max Merten case, in late 50s.
He was convicted in Greece for war crimes, but because Greece right government needed desperately a loan from Germany, Greek government released him and made the trade with the loan and some compensations for the victims of nazism and work slave labour (not only Jews).
Most people got as much money as 3 dollars of the time.

http://magazin.spiegel.de/EpubDelivery/ ... f/43066854


interesting. Thank you for sharing.

Slightly more well known but equally less discussed is the case of Hans Globke. He co wrote the Nuremberg Laws and was therefore directly involved in instituting the Persecution of German Jews. He later served as the National Security adviser under Konrad Adenauer, and was the lynchpin between the CIA, BND and Nato. When the Mossad captured Eichmann, the Germans and the USA were terrified Globke's exposure would cause a scandal and destroy Adenauer's government, since Globke worked under Eichmann in the Nazi era. So, they refused the request to have him tried in Germany and froze arms deals to Israel to stop them from exposing him. Israel had an economic crisis, so they had no choice to accept.

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scrmbldggs wrote:So it seems... as far as we can tell from the March 26, 1965 publication, as of January 1, 1965, of the 3,078,669 processed applications (total claims: 3,350,757), 58% had been approved, 42% rejected for various reasons, leaving a total of 1,785,628 approved applications.*





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Actually, the article says that up to June 1956, 3.350.757 claims have been treated, and that at the date of the article, or precisely at the date of the 1st of January 1965, they was still 347.218 claims to be treated.
It does not speak about the outcome of each of those claims, the article insisting more on the tremendous amount of work it represents, and number of servants dealing with it.

and as a matter of fact, there is nothing in the article that indicates that we are dealing with Jewish victims only.
Another thing is that the nature of the prejudices are wide, while it includes those who lost their lives - the heirs being then considered as victims, the majority of the claims are related to "privation of liberty", it also includes economic damages such as job loss, property loss, "damage on property...

In the details of the 347.218 claims still pending, it seems that what concerns specifically Jews amounts 10.859 claims.

The article under this one speaks about the payments made to the State of Israel.

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Balsamo wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:So it seems... as far as we can tell from the March 26, 1965 publication, as of January 1, 1965, of the 3,078,669 processed applications (total claims: 3,350,757), 58% had been approved, 42% rejected for various reasons, leaving a total of 1,785,628 approved applications.*





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Actually, the article says that up to June 1956, 3.350.757 claims have been treated,

Looking at my notes, it seems it says that on June 30, 1956, 272.088 claims had been treated and that a total of 3.350.757 applications had eventually been reached.


and that at the date of the article, or precisely at the date of the 1st of January 1965, they was still 347.218 claims to be treated.

That seems correct.


It does not speak about the outcome of each of those claims, the article insisting more on the tremendous amount of work it represents, and number of servants dealing with it.

and as a matter of fact, there is nothing in the article that indicates that we are dealing with Jewish victims only.
Another thing is that the nature of the prejudices are wide, while it includes those who lost their lives - the heirs being then considered as victims, the majority of the claims are related to "privation of liberty", it also includes economic damages such as job loss, property loss, "damage on property...

In the details of the 347.218 claims still pending, it seems that what concerns specifically Jews amounts 10.859 claims.

The article under this one speaks about the payments made to the State of Israel.

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Postby NathanC » Tue May 02, 2017 6:14 pm

Old news (from 2014) but still worth sharing.

https://www.jewishnews.net.au/compensat ... vors/37686

Eligible survivors will receive a special one-time payment of 2500 Euros (approximately A$3,580) for psychological and medical care.


Not really that impressive, if you think about it.

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Postby BRoI » Thu May 04, 2017 8:37 pm

Here's a very earlier letter r.e. reparations in which Chaim Weizmann:

- Makes another use of the 6,000,000 figure before Hoettl's affidavit was revealed at the IMT
- Calculates Jewish losses at c. £2 billion
- Proposes the Jewish Agency should receive the money/deeds on behalf of the Jewish people
- Suggests ethnically cleansing Germans from Palestine

I've added footnotes regarding annotations made to the letter at the FO, who were less than impressed by it.

THE JEWISH AGENCY FOR PALESTINE.
[...]

20th September, 1945


The Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs,
The Foreign Office,
Whitehall, S.W.1.

Sir,

On behalf of the Jewish Agency for Palestine I have the honour to submit the following representations for the consideration of His Majesty's Government regarding the reparations due to the Jewish people from Germany and her allies.

2. The problem of requiring Germany and her satellites, in the mean-sure of the practicable, to make good the losses they have inflicted on the nations and individuals they have assailed and despoiled, is engaging the consideration of the United Nations. The Jewish Agency for Palestine, as the representative of the Jewish people [1], desires to draw attention to that aspect of the problem which affects the Jewish people, and in particular to their relation to Palestine.

3. The first declaration of war by Germany (and subsequently by her associates) was made against the Jewish people, and it took a special form. Its aim was not conquest and enslavement, but the complete physical extermination of the Jews, the utter destruction of their spiritual and religious heritage, and the confiscation of all their material possessions. In executing their declarations of war, Germany and her associates murdered some 6,000,000 Jews, destroyed all Jewish communal institutions wherever their authority extended, stole all the treasures of Jewish art and learning, and seized all Jewish property, public and private, on which they could lay their hands. It has been estimated that the monetary value of the material losses thus inflicted upon the Jewish people may amount to over £2,000,000,000.

The mass murders, the human suffering, the annihilation of spiritual, intellectual, and creative forces, are probably without parallel in the history of mankind. [2]

[the second page was not in the file when it was transferred to the PRO]

This war against the Jews has created a three-fold problem - of reparation, of rehabilitation, and of restitution.

5. The problem of restitution embraces the buildings, plant, equipment, money, securities and valuables of various kinds taken from Jewish institutions and individuals, as well as Jewish cultural, literary, and artistic treasures. In so far as the owners, whether institutions or individuals, have survived or left successors, their claims to restitution must rest upon the same footing as the claims of citizens of the United Nations, and should be treated on the basis of equal rights.

6. But many of the institutions have been swept away, and will never be restored, while considerable numbers of Jews have been murdered and left no heirs. Much Jewish property was deposited in non-enemy countries, and the owners have disappeared, leaving no successors. It should need no argument to prove that property by crime rendered masterless should not be treated as bona vacantia, and fall to the governments which committed the crimes, or to any other governments, or to strangers having no title to it. It is submitted that the provisions for heirless property falling to the State were not designed to cover the case of mass-murder of a people. Such properties belong to the victim, and that victim is the Jewish people as a whole [3]. The true heir, therefore, is the Jewish people, and those properties should be transferred to the representative of the Jewish people, to be employed in
of the material, spiritual, and cultural rehabilitation of the Jews. A separate memorandum on the subjects of restitution and indemnification will in due course be submitted jointly by the Jewish Agency for Palestine and Jewish organisations. [4] In what follows, the Jewish Agency proposes to concentrate on the inter-connected problems of reparation and rehabilitation.

7. Of the surviving Jews of the European Continent some may desire to settle in their countries of origin, and some to seek a new life in other countries of the Diaspora, but the vast majority [5] desire to make their permanent home in Palestine. Such assets as may be recovered by way of indemnification under paragraph 6 above, for property confiscated or destroyed, or deposited and rendered available by the extinction of ownership, for the several purposes of Jewish rehabilitation should be applied to all these tasks.

In so far as they are applied to the settlement of Jews in Palestine, they should be placed under the trusteeship of the Jewish Agency for Palestine.

8. But the means likely to be derived from this source will fall far short of what is needed for the rehabilitation of Jews anxious to settle in Palestine. The main part of the funds for this purpose should, injustice, be provided from the reparations due from the enemy states for the infinitude of murder, suffering and destruction which they have inflicted on the Jewish people. The principle of reparation, within the limits of practicability, has been accepted as just by the United Nations, and the Jewish people invoke it in full confidence that their claim calls for special recognition, as it is not covered by the present plan for the distribution of reparations, in which only States are to be the beneficiaries. The specific claim on behalf of the Jewish people is put forward in view of the moral obligation resting upon the United Nations to use their best endeavours to solve the problems created by Germany's war of aggression, one of which is the Jewish problem as it presents itself to-day in large parts of Europe. That the United Nations are mindful of their responsibility for assuming the collective protection of the victims of racial and religious persecution is shown by numerous resolutions of UNRRA, by the agreement of the Four Powers on war crimes, and to some extent also by the Statute of the Inter-Governmental Committee for Assistance to Refugees.

9. It is therefore submitted that a proper percentage of the reparations to be obtained from Germany should be allotted for the purpose of the resettlement in Palestine of Jewish victims of racial and religious persecution, and granted, in the form of suitable assets (e.g. plant, machinery, equipment, and materials), to the Jewish Agency for Palestine, as the body charged by international authority with the duty of developing the Jewish National Home [6].

10. Included in the general question of reparations is the specific problem of the German Colony in Palestine, which since 1933 has embraced the Nazi doctrines. The Jewish Agency has already represented to His Majesty's Government that the members of this Colony should not, on release from internment, be allowed to reside in Palestine, but should be returned to Germany, and their property should form part of the reparations due by Germany to the Jewish people.

11. The Jewish Agency for Palestine therefore makes the following submissions:

(a) That with regard to the problem of Jewish property forming the subject-matter of indemnification and restitution, in so far as the individual or communal owners of such property cannot be traced, the title should pass to the representatives of the Jewish people [7], the realisable assets to be employed for the rehabilitation of Jewish men, women and children.

(b) That in so far as such assets are to be employed in rehabilitating in Palestine the Jewish victims of racial and religious persecution, they should be entrusted to the Jewish Agency for this purpose.

(c) That the Jewish people should be allotted a proper percentage of reparations to be entrusted to the Jewish Agency for Palestine [8] for the rehabilitation and resettlement in Palestine of Jewish victims of racial and religious persecution.

(d) That the Jewish people's share of reparations should include the assets of German colonists in Palestine.

12. Similar letters are submitted to the Governments of the U.S.A., the U.S.S.R., and France.

I have the honour to be,
Sir,
Your obedient Servant,
Chaim Weizmann


[Notes regarding annotations made on this letter at the FO

1. "The Jewish Agency for Palestine, as the representative of the Jewish people" was underlined in and "We do not admit this - nor do many Jews."

2. The word "no" is written besides this sentence.

3. "and that victim is the Jewish people as a whole" is underlined.

4. From "It is submitted" to "Jewish organisations" was noted "?"

5. "vast majority" is underlined and "?" was noted.

6. "the Jewish Agency for Palestine, as the body charged by international authority with the duty of developing the Jewish National Home" is noted with a "?"

7. "representatives of the Jewish people" is underlined, a note was made it pencil but subsequently erased.

8. "to be entrusted to the Jewish Agency for Palestine" is underlined, a note was made it pencil but subsequently erased.]


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Re: Reparations

Postby NathanC » Fri May 05, 2017 12:08 am

Tom Segev makes a good case for Weizmann being a douchebag, but I don't really see the Rabbit's point. Like I, Kleon and SM have pointed out, German Reparations/financial agreements with Israel, Jewish survivors and other victims a) didn't come about for a long time, b) were absolutely pitiful (see the Greece case Kleon mentioned for example) and c) had strings attached (Arms deals with Israel were frozen until after the Eichmann trial to ensure Hans Globke wasn't exposed, and Greece had to drop the charges and hand over Max Mertens in exchange for the reparations/loan from west Germany).

Whatever Weizmann said or demanded was irrelevant and had no bearing on the actual policy and results of Reparations.

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Re: Reparations

Postby NathanC » Thu Jul 27, 2017 12:40 am

Old story, but worth discussing

http://www.timesofisrael.com/amsterdam- ... -in-camps/

So the Dutch Government, instead of being "extorted" by those Pesky Jews for reparations, actually collected back taxes from Jewish Refugees. Those Jewish cheapskates naturally missed their tax payments because they were being rounded up, robbed, deported and killed.

Some people are extorting, alright. It wasn't Jews doing the extorting though.


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