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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:39 pm

Hmmmm, this kind of {!#%@} deniers six ways to Sunday (thanks to Jon Harrison): "'Resettlement' used as Camouflage Language in Shooting Documents"
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Jeff_36 » Fri Jan 27, 2017 4:10 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Hmmmm, this kind of {!#%@} deniers six ways to Sunday (thanks to Jon Harrison): "'Resettlement' used as Camouflage Language in Shooting Documents"


And it establishes a clear precedent that can be cited in other cases. IIRC this has been covered on HC before.

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Feb 22, 2017 3:26 am

Uh-oh. Contemporary (3 September 1941) confirmation for Standartenführer Karl Jäger's mass murder activities in Lithuania: Gewecke: “orders from SS Colonel Jaeger in Kauen to liquidate all Jews in Schaulen . . . The liquidation was to take place on Monday.”
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeff_36 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:31 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:Uh-oh. Contemporary (3 September 1941) confirmation for Standartenführer Karl Jäger's mass murder activities in Lithuania: Gewecke: “orders from SS Colonel Jaeger in Kauen to liquidate all Jews in Schaulen . . . The liquidation was to take place on Monday.”


Bu-bu-bu-but HAMAN!?!?!?!? Whauudabout HAMAN?

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Feb 22, 2017 4:43 am

Yeah, a little problem here for the religious theory of Hamann, as Gewecke names Hamann as the person repeating Jäger's order to him. We may just have to abandon the Biblical interpretation of the genocide in Lithuania and go with . . . well, I don't know what Monstrous has left to try.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeff_36 » Wed Feb 22, 2017 5:29 am

I still can't belive that he seriously expected to makre a copherent argument out of that nonsense.,

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 23, 2017 2:20 am

bump for Monstrous
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Feb 23, 2017 12:42 pm

What's the matter Monstrous - have they asked you to stop making a fool of yourself and them?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Feb 23, 2017 1:33 pm

Monstrous is hiding in the weeds, he will jump out and start a new thread on the hopes people will forget his previous thread.

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Feb 26, 2017 11:56 am

God almighty, they are desperate. LOL.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sun Feb 26, 2017 1:45 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:God almighty, they are desperate. LOL.


Indeed. They turn every speculation to 'evidence', he's so sure they make 'evakuiert' into 'exekutiert', and that's why the line goes out so far to the right. WTF?

Look at the first paragraph which ends with the words; "33,771 Juden exekutiert" (33,771 Jews executed). The word "exekutiert" sticks out so far to the extreme that it nearly touches the edge of the paper and is further to the right than any other word on the page. Is it possible that the orignal word in German had been "evakuiert" instead? I think so--and that undermines the entire meaning of the "document." "Exekutiert" contains just one more letter than the word "evakuiert"--but that is why it sticks out so far to the right.

What was an innocuous original German document was, I think, simply retyped on the same type of paper with a matching typewriter to make "evidence" of mass murder. The "true original" page (carbon or mimeographed copy, perhaps) was removed and replaced by the fake (carbon copy?). No signature or security stamp was even needed. Can Eric Hunt or Mark Weber ever understand that. Of course, not!


This desperate situation of Berg reminds me of the most smart phrase I've ever read in the 'Holocaust Denial Ridiculing Literature' (yes, my opinion is a special branch must be established, dealing only with entertaining articles and essays that make fun of stupid deniers; I even have in mind names of nominees for professors duties assigned for this special scholarship branch, seriously).

This one:

- Dear Isaac -- please don't forget to leak Document 495B-14 to the London Times on August 13, as we agreed. Signed, Abraham.

https://archive.is/IhW19#selection-461.0-465.16

It's an essay, I think, that deserves to be on top, for everyone to see:

Surely if people were employed to fabricate mountains of evidence as you claim, you must know some details about some of these things. You seem to have discovered this grand hoax that has fooled the world, surely a few names and places must be a minor feat for such geniuses.

http://www.phdn.org/archives/holocaust- ... hoax.shtml
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Feb 26, 2017 4:30 pm

Your post should be Monstrous's epitaph.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 11, 2017 10:32 pm

Kamenets-Podolsk - Braham plus survey of sources
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 18, 2017 6:32 pm

More Babi Yar source material from Hans at HC - part 2: Testimonies
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Mar 21, 2017 7:56 am

"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby NathanC » Fri Mar 24, 2017 10:17 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:More on the British and Monstrous's last desperate claims:

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... barth.html
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/fo ... count=2286


The Black Rabbit pointed out that I was mistaken in my interpretation of Barth's testimony. I have acted accordingly and recanted my ISF post.

That said, he did provide a lot of useful information about Barth's interrogation and general British interrogation practices. Basically, they never asked him about Gas vans, and nor did their standard questionnaires ask about such Gas Vans. Barth volunteered it all on his own. I have updated my ISF post to reflect this.

Still doesn't help Monstrous or ESC's BS, though.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Mar 25, 2017 5:43 am

thanks, Nathan
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeff_36 » Wed Mar 29, 2017 2:09 am

'' I was Interested in rule of law, not in how many men I could hang from a rope"
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sun Apr 02, 2017 10:02 am

I thought to post this in the George Martin RIP thread but he was no rocker and it fits here: "Yevgeny Yevtushenko, Poet Who Stirred a Generation of Soviets, Dies at 83"
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Sun Apr 02, 2017 5:22 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:I thought to post this in the George Martin RIP thread but he was no rocker and it fits here: "Yevgeny Yevtushenko, Poet Who Stirred a Generation of Soviets, Dies at 83"


Here, its place is here:

- Babi Yar / Yevgeniy Yevtushenko Poem / Alex Klurfeld Song

... no fiber of my body will ever forget this, until, for all of time, the last antisemites of this earth will be buried and forgotten ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOFBnwET3WE
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Denial
http://www.genocidewatch.org/genocide/t ... ocide.html

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 04, 2017 2:24 am

HC blog article by Jon Harrison cites a number of statements from Goebbels' diary recording the mass murders in the occupied East during 1941.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Apr 04, 2017 11:23 pm

More trouble for Monstrous, this time from Jon Harrison at HC, on Ukraine: Harrison's comments on Jeckeln raise the question, were the HSSPF reports also supposedly forged and Monstrous simply forgot to mention this? Here, Jeckeln reports nearly 38,000 executions in which 99% of the victims were Jews.

Harrison also cites EMs and quotes from EM 130:
Although we succeeded, particularly in smaller towns and villages, in bringing about a complete liquidation of the Jewish problem, nevertheless, again and again it has been observed in the larger cities that after such an action, all Jews have indeed been eradicated. But, when after a certain period of time a Kommando returns, the number of Jews still found in the city always surpasses considerably the number of executed Jews.

Anti-partisan actions? Really?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:More trouble for Monstrous, this time from Jon Harrison at HC, on Ukraine: Harrison's comments on Jeckeln raise the question, were the HSSPF reports also supposedly forged and Monstrous simply forgot to mention this? Here, Jeckeln reports nearly 38,000 executions in which 99% of the victims were Jews.

Harrison also cites EMs and quotes from EM 130:
Although we succeeded, particularly in smaller towns and villages, in bringing about a complete liquidation of the Jewish problem, nevertheless, again and again it has been observed in the larger cities that after such an action, all Jews have indeed been eradicated. But, when after a certain period of time a Kommando returns, the number of Jews still found in the city always surpasses considerably the number of executed Jews.

Anti-partisan actions? Really?


Um, didn't partisans usually have guns.... :lol:

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Postby Xcalibur » Wed Apr 05, 2017 2:09 am

Sigh... and wormy {!#%@} Ryan's Healthcare 2.0.... Jesus wept.

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Re: Monstrous on the Einsatzgruppen

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:10 pm

Speaking of Ponary (weren't we?), Engelking's book, discussed in the books thread, quotes at length from the testimony of yet another girl who was able to survive a mass shooting at Ponary. The girl was 19-year-old Ita Straż. She was taken to Ponary by car from which a Lithuanian "policeman" pulled her when it was her turn to be taken to the pit. In the evening, as she crawled from the pit, Straż met another survivor of the shooting, also a girl, of about her age. (Engelking, Such a Beautiful Sunny Day . . . , pp 53-55, 144; YVA 0.3/1354, unfortunately Engelking doesn't mention a date for this shooting - I will look at the YVA source for one if it is online)
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927


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