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Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Dec 10, 2016 5:24 am

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Jeff_36 wrote:Inconvenient facts had a habit of flying over Hitler`s head.

Interesting to me that Goebbels was able to recognize the gap between fact and fiction in the show trials - but persevered with the belief, despite the evidence, just the same.

Hitler's statement, made as late as 1937, shows in part that it was not just from the east that his understanding of Judeo-Communism developed. The formative experience of the immediate postwar years and the upheavals Germany experience then shouldn't be underestimated.


Naturally one would expect that seeing how few Jews there were in the KPD, and hearing about Walter Rathenau's criticisms of the Bolsheviks would have made an impression no? I am of the opinion that his views were forged earlier.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:20 pm

From reading biographies of the Führer, including this new one by Ullrich; David Clay Large, Where Ghosts Walked: Munich's Road to the Third Reich; Michael Kellogg, The Russian Roots of Nazism: White Russians and the Making of National Socialism, 1917-1945 (not crazy about this latter book, which is too narrowly focused); and other literature on the immediate postwar years, I'd say that for Hitler the revolutionary upheavals in Germany of those years were formative.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby NathanC » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:40 pm

Sergey Romanov on "Judeo Bolshevism"

http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot. ... 1295362075

Sergey Romanov wrote:A couple of sources relevant to the discussion of the "Judeo-Bolshevik" myth:

1. The partial ethnic composition of the leading organs of the Bolshevik/Communist party (not without several mistakes):

http://holocaust.skeptik.net/misc/party.htm

2. The ethnic composition of the NKVD leadership from 1934 to 1941:

http://www.memo.ru/history/nkvd/kto/stattab4.htm

3. An article on the ethnic composition of Cheka-OGPU until 1924:

http://yroslav1985.livejournal.com/84767.html

Two points emerge from these stats:

a) It is true that the percentages of ethnic Jews in these various leading bodies were *at times* significantly larger than the proportion of the Jews among the general Soviet population (e.g. in early 1937 38% of the NKVD leaders were ethnically Jewish; for a time in 1921 60% of the members of the highest organ - Politbyuro - were Jewish). Jews being at times so "visible" in the leading roles gave the start to the myth of "Judeo-Bolshevism".

This disproportionality was a *temporary* phenomenon. For example, it follows from the 2nd and 3rd articles that the numbers of leading Chekist figures who were Jewish was significantly lower in 1917-1924 than it was in the next decade.

b) Disproportionality does not equal *domination* (being > 50%). Moreover, the Soviet dictators who had the last word about policy were always non-Jewish (Lenin, Stalin and so on).

It follows from the first article that most of the time the Politbyuro was dominated by non-Jews. And Jews never dominated proportionally among the NKVD leadership.

The myth of Judeo-Bolshevism requires that Jews (a) dominate in the leading roles over non-Jews percentage-wise (b) for a significant period of time. This never happened.


He also has an interesting example of Soviet Antisemitic propaganda.


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Postby Martin Brock » Sun Dec 11, 2016 5:45 pm

The very fact that you refer to "blood libel" suggests that you can use "Jewish" to describe an ethnicity rather than a religion. In common vernacular, "Jewish atheist" is not a contradiction in terms, so while "Jewish Bolshevism" merits a rebuttal, you don't effectively rebut it in the OP. That Marx and Trotsky were Jewish has little to do with their practice of Judaism.

Of course, Ludwig von Mises was also Jewish as well as an atheist. So were Ayn Rand and Milton Friedman. If you want to blame Jews for something, you can always find Jews to blame.
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Postby NathanC » Fri Dec 23, 2016 3:22 pm

The very fact that you refer to "blood libel" suggests that you can use "Jewish" to describe an ethnicity rather than a religion


The "blood libel" actually refers to a well known lie that in the middle ages, Jews killed christian children and used their blood to make Matzos for passover. Hence, "libel". It's a false accusation, much like the lie of "judeo Bolshevism".

The fact that you missed the point suggests you haven't followed the thread or addressed any of the evidence provided. No one denies that a few ethnic Jews participated in Bolshevism. The question is about whether or not they dominated Bolshevism and whether or not it was an evil Jewish plot to screw the non Jews over. It has been demonstrated that neither are true.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Dec 24, 2016 9:57 pm

Recently finished "The Vanquished." Part of the book dealt with the events in Russia and the end of WW i and the beginnings of the USSR.
Robert Gerwarth, the author, makes the point at the beginning of the Bolshevik Revolution Jews were heavily represented in the Communist Party. However, his countervailing point is that millions of Russian Jews were not members of the Communist Party but still suffered under both Bolshevik and "White" occupation (though they suffered more under White occupation).

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Postby Jeff_36 » Sat Jan 14, 2017 8:09 pm

Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:Irocnially, the "help the weak" mentallity is also what's behind the PC/SJW/Feminist movements that Alt-Righters claim Jews invented in order to, once again, "weaken the white man".


I would say that SJW movements and all that PC crap is more of a perversion of the "golden rule" than a direct result of it.

The most anti-statist and pro free-market politician in Israel is the very religous Moshe Feiglin


Israel Harel, the lunatic settler mouthpiece who writes for Haaretz from time to time, is a self-described libertarian as well lol.

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Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Sun Jan 15, 2017 2:54 am

A settler writing for Haaretz is like a Jedi writing for "Darkside Daily".
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Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 6:09 am

Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:A settler writing for Haaretz is like a Jedi writing for "Darkside Daily".


He pens at least three utterly insane op eds per year there. The other columnists are fairly left wing. I like Akiva Eldar, but Gideon Levy takes it too far.

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Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Sun Jan 15, 2017 7:10 am

There's isn't a single descent newspaper in Israel IMO, but HaAretz are the worst.
One time, an Arab Knesset member used the word "Zal" - the Jewish "rest in peace" to respect Israeli victims of one terror attack, so one of HaAretz's (Jewish) editors hot mad at him, calling him " a slave of the Jews".
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Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:20 pm

Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:There's isn't a single descent newspaper in Israel IMO, but HaAretz are the worst.
One time, an Arab Knesset member used the word "Zal" - the Jewish "rest in peace" to respect Israeli victims of one terror attack, so one of HaAretz's (Jewish) editors hot mad at him, calling him " a slave of the Jews".


Was the MK Zohier Bhaloul?

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Postby Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:24 pm

No. Iman Oudah IIRC.

Bahaloul recently went back to his previous Job as a soccer pundit. Makes me imagine Martin Tyler as UK parliment member.
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Postby Jeff_36 » Sun Jan 15, 2017 5:50 pm

Im_Not_Creative_Enough wrote:No. Iman Oudah IIRC.

Bahaloul recently went back to his previous Job as a soccer pundit. Makes me imagine Martin Tyler as UK parliment member.


That dosen`t strike me as something that Odeh would do, considering that he boycotted Shimon Peres`s funeral. IIRC Issawi Frej went off on him for doing that.

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Postby ryu » Tue Jan 17, 2017 12:50 am

Where does Jacob Schiff fit in?

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Postby Jeff_36 » Tue Jan 17, 2017 5:09 am

ryu wrote:Where does Jacob Schiff fit in?


He doesn't. He put some cash into the February revolution but he had nothing to do with Lenin.


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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:28 pm

thanks, interesting
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby ryu » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:34 pm

If I argue with anyone about Jewish Bolsheviks they show me this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... CqSOXJZ12w

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:38 pm

Oh, for {!#%@} sake....

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CRITICAL THINKING RYU!!!! CRITICAL THINKING!
« Oral history is a complex field. After all, memory can be a distorting mirror, as anyone who has ever worked with memoir literature knows very well...They may be imperfect, and, at times, inaccurate as the narrator tries to cast himself in the most favorable light, but all sources are imperfect. Even an archival document reflects how the person who drafted it understood something and remains something less than the unvarnished truth. »
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Postby Jeff_36 » Wed Feb 01, 2017 5:39 am

ryu wrote:If I argue with anyone about Jewish Bolsheviks they show me this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... CqSOXJZ12w


As stated before, Schiff backed the provisional government of Kerensky, but pulled his support after the October Revolution of 1918. Period.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:22 pm

B-b-b-b-ut he was the most powerful man in American history!
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 04, 2017 1:10 pm

Forgive the tone of this ("this proto-McCarthyite in pumps") - I thought the Daily Beast profile of '30s character Elizabeth Dilling shows how far rudimentary ideas of Judeo-Bolshevism traveled - in this case, reaching the far right in the US during the New Deal ("the Jew Deal") and WWII. Note how Dilling's tour of the USSR, led by tour guides who happened to be Jewish, helped deepen her anti-Jewish animus and cement it to her brand of anti-Marxism and anti-Communism.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:Forgive the tone of this ("this proto-McCarthyite in pumps") - I thought the Daily Beast profile of '30s character Elizabeth Dilling shows how far rudimentary ideas of Judeo-Bolshevism traveled - in this case, reaching the far right in the US during the New Deal ("the Jew Deal") and WWII. Note how Dilling's tour of the USSR, led by tour guides who happened to be Jewish, helped deepen her anti-Jewish animus and cement it to her brand of anti-Marxism and anti-Communism.


hmmm...

A broader backlash grew, especially after Dilling continued opposing the war despite Pearl Harbor. The occasional skirmish with police now mushroomed into high-level governmental prosecution, what we could call the “Brown Shirt Scare” or “the anti-Red Scare.” The Great Sedition Trial of 1944 ensnared Dilling and 27 other defendants. The government dropped the case in 1946,


The government dropped the case against her in 1946, presumably after news of the recently liberated KLs were starting to trickle into the US. This is the "Judeo Bolshevism" thread, but it's always worth pointing out cases - especially in the War and immediate post war years - when alleged "Jewish influence" on the US was marginal to nonexistent.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:00 pm

NathanC wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Forgive the tone of this ("this proto-McCarthyite in pumps") - I thought the Daily Beast profile of '30s character Elizabeth Dilling shows how far rudimentary ideas of Judeo-Bolshevism traveled - in this case, reaching the far right in the US during the New Deal ("the Jew Deal") and WWII. Note how Dilling's tour of the USSR, led by tour guides who happened to be Jewish, helped deepen her anti-Jewish animus and cement it to her brand of anti-Marxism and anti-Communism.


hmmm...

A broader backlash grew, especially after Dilling continued opposing the war despite Pearl Harbor. The occasional skirmish with police now mushroomed into high-level governmental prosecution, what we could call the “Brown Shirt Scare” or “the anti-Red Scare.” The Great Sedition Trial of 1944 ensnared Dilling and 27 other defendants. The government dropped the case in 1946,


The government dropped the case against her in 1946, presumably after news of the recently liberated KLs were starting to trickle into the US. This is the "Judeo Bolshevism" thread, but it's always worth pointing out cases - especially in the War and immediate post war years - when alleged "Jewish influence" on the US was marginal to nonexistent.

I think it was more about the shaky grounds for prosecution, the end of the war/FDR's death, and a new, postwar attitude toward the right due to the beginnings of the Cold War than anything. If I understand correctly, the case had languished for 2 years after a mistrial was declared in '44. The appetite for refiling went away with the Cold War. The prosecution was under the Smith Act, which would be turned against the left during the Cold War, notoriously with the prosecution of Benjamin J Davis, Eugene Dennis, et al.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:
NathanC wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:Forgive the tone of this ("this proto-McCarthyite in pumps") - I thought the Daily Beast profile of '30s character Elizabeth Dilling shows how far rudimentary ideas of Judeo-Bolshevism traveled - in this case, reaching the far right in the US during the New Deal ("the Jew Deal") and WWII. Note how Dilling's tour of the USSR, led by tour guides who happened to be Jewish, helped deepen her anti-Jewish animus and cement it to her brand of anti-Marxism and anti-Communism.


hmmm...

A broader backlash grew, especially after Dilling continued opposing the war despite Pearl Harbor. The occasional skirmish with police now mushroomed into high-level governmental prosecution, what we could call the “Brown Shirt Scare” or “the anti-Red Scare.” The Great Sedition Trial of 1944 ensnared Dilling and 27 other defendants. The government dropped the case in 1946,


The government dropped the case against her in 1946, presumably after news of the recently liberated KLs were starting to trickle into the US. This is the "Judeo Bolshevism" thread, but it's always worth pointing out cases - especially in the War and immediate post war years - when alleged "Jewish influence" on the US was marginal to nonexistent.

I think it was more about the shaky grounds for prosecution, the end of the war/FDR's death, and a new, postwar attitude toward the right due to the beginnings of the Cold War than anything. If I understand correctly, the case had languished for 2 years after a mistrial was declared in '44. The appetite for refiling went away with the Cold War. The prosecution was under the Smith Act, which would be turned against the left during the Cold War, notoriously with the prosecution of Benjamin J Davis, Eugene Dennis, et al.


Oh, no doubt. Political trends were definitely a factor.

The point was that "Jewish Influence" on the US government at the time was marginal. That's why the trends you've alluded to outweighed any alleged "interests" they had or the need to "protect" Jews.

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Postby NathanC » Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:28 pm

So, in his seminal work on the Battle of Stalingrad, Antony Beevor mentions that Soviet Jews received no information or warning about Nazi Antisemitism or their persecution of Jews because of the Molotov Ribbentrop Pact. Presumably, hostile propaganda about the other side was prohibited under the first item: of parties desisting from any act of violence, any aggression and any attack on each other. This was no doubt part of the reason for the trend alluded to by Erich Von Dem Bach Zelewski and others, of Soviet Jews welcoming the Germans and enduring the first wave of persecutions and the like, which resulted in them falling for the cover story of "Resettlement" used by the Nazis at Babi Yar and other massacres. Clearly, the USSR was a state of and for Jews, which was why they were not warned of the extent of Nazi Antisemitism or the intent to kill them.

Speaking of which, this is worth mentioning because it illustrates how their prejudice allows Antisemites to hold two contradictory ideas at the same time. I've noticed that the people who peddle the lie of "Judeo Bolshevism" also peddle the lie that European Jews/Ashkenaz are "Khazar": not "real" Ethnic Jews, but Europeans who converted to Judaism. This BS and "Judeo Bolshevism" are contradictory and arguably mutually exclusive: Jewish members of the USSR like Kaganovich, Yagoda et al were not religious and only Jews in an ethnic sense. If the "Khazar" BS were true, then "Judeo Bolshevism" doesn't have a leg to stand on because there was no such thing as "ethnic" Judaism in the first place. Believing in the "Khazar" BS would mean that Kaganovich, Yagoda, et al were not really Jews at all - either in a religious or ethnic sense.

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Postby Jeff_36 » Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:04 am

I hold Beevoir in a very low regard for a number of reasons, but that is 100% true and important to note.

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Postby Balsamo » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:15 am

BEEVOR...WHAT IS YOU PROBLEM WITH ALWAYS PUTTING AN "I" in his name?

Do you mean to make it a french name?

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Tue Feb 14, 2017 12:36 pm

Dee Beauvoir? DeBois? DuVois? Beaver?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby ryu » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:51 pm

Denying-History wrote:CRITICAL THINKING RYU!!!! CRITICAL THINKING!

He said providing no evidence for his assertions. I have had it with you guys throw out these claims of critical thinking without saying why I should examine these claims. Yes they are antisemetic but are the factually wrong?!?!

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Postby ryu » Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:57 pm

Turns out he gives no citations for Schiff's involvement in the immigration act and ignores the persecution Jews felt then: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... s0Qmi8S-0Q

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Postby ryu » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:07 am

Not to mentioned a misquote misattributed to a senator that was cut a pasted from here: https://books.google.com/books?id=HstOA ... =The+Panic)+was+brought+about+by+a+deliberate+conspiracy+for+the+enrichment+of+those+who+engineered+it….I+regard+it+as+treason+against+the+United+States….a+few+men+control+the+power+of+expanding+or+contracting+credits.+This+unrestrained+power+means+the+power+to+create+panics+and+coerce+this+country+politically&source=bl&ots=28N_zD0wVJ&sig=oYAUiJRkFitDFEub1v1DNFOgnFA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjs0Yjm5pDSAhUE2SYKHcJ5CsQQ6AEIITAD#v=onepage&q=The%20Panic)%20was%20brought%20about%20by%20a%20deliberate%20conspiracy%20for%20the%20enrichment%20of%20those%20who%20engineered%20it%E2%80%A6.I%20regard%20it%20as%20treason%20against%20the%20United%20States%E2%80%A6.a%20few%20men%20control%20the%20power%20of%20expanding%20or%20contracting%20credits.%20This%20unrestrained%20power%20means%20the%20power%20to%20create%20panics%20and%20coerce%20this%20country%20politically&f=false

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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:25 am

ryu wrote: I have had it with you guys throw out these claims of critical thinking without saying why I should examine these claims. Yes they are antisemetic but are the factually wrong?!?!


For the thousandth time....
Step 1) Stop posting links to Neo Nazi and anti-Semitic propaganda on this forum.
Step 2) Check the facts in that propaganda yourself, if Nazi propaganda fascinates you.
Step 3) Stop posting on this forum as you are essentially giving bad propaganda more oxygen.

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Postby Denying-History » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:55 am

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Denying-History wrote:CRITICAL THINKING RYU!!!! CRITICAL THINKING!
He said providing no evidence for his assertions. I have had it with you guys throw out these claims of critical thinking without saying why I should examine these claims. Yes they are antisemetic but are the factually wrong?!?!
Never said this, but it doesn't mean you have to beg others to solve your own problems. Lol as for providing no evidence for my assertions, last time I checked I completely disproved the whole claim that the early Bolshevik regime was "90% Jewish". I provided my sources, however here I am not making any "assertions" so your point is is void.

Maybe you could do your own damn research for once.
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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

Postby Denying-History » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:01 am

ryu wrote:Turns out he gives no citations for Schiff's involvement in the immigration act and ignores the persecution Jews felt then: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source= ... s0Qmi8S-0Q
This is what I mean by critical thinking Ryu...
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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

Postby Denying-History » Wed Feb 15, 2017 1:04 am

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ryu wrote: I have had it with you guys throw out these claims of critical thinking without saying why I should examine these claims. Yes they are antisemetic but are the factually wrong?!?!


For the thousandth time....
Step 1) Stop posting links to Neo Nazi and anti-Semitic propaganda on this forum.
Step 2) Check the facts in that propaganda yourself, if Nazi propaganda fascinates you.
Step 3) Stop posting on this forum as you are essentially giving bad propaganda more oxygen.
He is more then welcome to post these links, but it shouldn't have taken him 15 days to notice the lack of evidence and citations for some of the claims provided. It also shouldn't be something he has to beg for the answers over. What he needs to learn is to not beg others to do the work for him, his last post against mine on his "critical thinking" skills is a complete joke.

No assertion on my part was made, other then the fact he should think for himself, which he quite obviously did.
« Oral history is a complex field. After all, memory can be a distorting mirror, as anyone who has ever worked with memoir literature knows very well...They may be imperfect, and, at times, inaccurate as the narrator tries to cast himself in the most favorable light, but all sources are imperfect. Even an archival document reflects how the person who drafted it understood something and remains something less than the unvarnished truth. »
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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

Postby ryu » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:03 pm

You mean the fact that when I mentioned Jacob schiff you provided no evidence against him? Yes I suppose it does seem to turn into a gish gallop/change in subject and for that I apologize.

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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

Postby ryu » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:18 pm

For example Jacob schiff was funding the Japanese against an expansionist Russia, admittly the Japanese struck first when the Russians were trying to expand their influence...

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Re: refuting the notion of "Jewish Bolshevisim"

Postby Denying-History » Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:21 pm

ryu wrote:You mean the fact that when I mentioned Jacob schiff you provided no evidence against him? Yes I suppose it does seem to turn into a gish gallop/change in subject and for that I apologize.
I made no assertion to begin with, so I have no reason to provide evidence. All I did was state you should do your own research, and after you did you see a lack of nessissary citations and a misleading quote.

The point is that you should be able to find this out without us.
« Oral history is a complex field. After all, memory can be a distorting mirror, as anyone who has ever worked with memoir literature knows very well...They may be imperfect, and, at times, inaccurate as the narrator tries to cast himself in the most favorable light, but all sources are imperfect. Even an archival document reflects how the person who drafted it understood something and remains something less than the unvarnished truth. »
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