Höfle Telegram / Evidence of 715,000 /Treblinka

[Matthew Ellard]

In 1943, the British decrypted a telecommunication from german SS officer Hofle to Adolf Eichmann concerning the number of executions at concentration camps in Operation Reinhard.  This includes Treblinka, accumulated up to the period ended 31/Dec/1942.   The decrypt was filed back then, as the British did not know what Operation Reinherd was or what the figure meant.   It was read again in 2000 when these decrypts were made public.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram

The executions up until 31/Dec/1942 at Treblinka had reached 713,555 people which is very close to the number that was previously put forward by normal historians.  This is an internal SS document.  It is the "smoking gun".  If anyone doubts the death count at Treblinka please direct them to this document first before supplying train movements, confessions and other supporting documents.  


 


 



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[Matthew Ellard]

Here are some photos from either the Polish investigation into Treblinka.  Note the body parts mixed in with ash.  
.http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp41.jpg

Here is the Polsh investigation team standing in a mass grave for cremated victims.
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg

Would any of our holocaust deniers like to make a comment?  

[David]

Hello Matthew-
  I see the bones of maybe 2 individuals.
Uh...where are the bones of the other 898,000 people?

[Matthew Ellard]

Hello Matthew-     I see the bones of maybe 2 individuals.
Uh...where are the bones of the other 898,000 people?

Your idols, the Nazis, were simple criminals who wanted to hide evidence that they executed almost a million people at Treblinka.  For this reason they cremated the bodies of executed victims from an earlier period and as new executions were made.   The ash mixed in with these bones may contain the remains of another 10,000 victims.

Didn't you know anything about this?  ( Why would you?  You are a holocaust denier who will pretend Treblinka was a transit camp but never say to where.  Evidence just isn't your "thing")

[David]

Hello Matthew-     I see the bones of maybe 2 individuals.
Uh...where are the bones of the other 898,000 people?

Your idols, the Nazis, were simple criminals who wanted to hide evidence that they executed almost a million people at Treblinka.  For this reason they cremated the bodies of executed victims from an earlier period and as new executions were made.   The ash mixed in with these bones may contain the remains of another 10,000 victims.

Didn't you know anything about this?  ( Why would you?  You are a holocaust denier who will pretend Treblinka was a transit camp but never say to where.  Evidence just isn't your "thing")

Hello Matthew- Please don't be rude.   I am just looking at the
evidence you cited.
I understand your claim that criminals wanted to hide evidence but leaving the bodies/bones of the victims around is not a very good way of hiding evidence.

   I also understand the Believer theory of a complex and as yet
not understood German system of totally destroying all remains
of hundreds of thousands of human bodies.

But the pictures you have cited show only the bones of two
or three individuals.   You are claiming that "The ash mixed in with these
bones may contain the remains of another 10,000 victims."

Are you claiming that the Germans made "ash piles" of 10,000
bodies and then MARKED these sites with human bones?
Something in your strident assertions does not make sense.



In fact, several hundred uncremated bodies were found at Treblinka in
1944:  A fact that casts doubt on the theory of an organized program
of "hiding evidence."

[Matthew Ellard]

I understand your claim that criminals wanted to hide evidence but leaving the bodies/bones of the victims around is not a very good way of hiding evidence.

The Red Army was coming and they ran out of time to hide their crimes.

  I also understand the Believer theory of a complex and as yet
not understood German system of totally destroying all remains
of hundreds of thousands of human bodies.

They cremated the bodies that they had previously just left there.  It is very simple.

But the pictures you have cited show only the bones of two
or three individuals.   You are claiming that "The ash mixed in with these
bones may contain the remains of another 10,000 victims."
Are you claiming that the Germans made "ash piles" of 10,000
bodies and then MARKED these sites with human bones?
Something in your strident assertions does not make sense.

Complete crap.  You are lying again.  You are very aware the locals starrted digging up Treblinka when the Germans left.  It is all described in detail in the Polish report which you refuse to read.

Now let us put a holocaust denier to the test.  Do you deny that over 700,000 were executed at Treblinka after reading the internal Nazi documents that state numbers, clothing taken from victims, eye witness reports and the Polish investigation?   If so explain why using ALL THE AVAILABLE EVIDENCE and not by picking and choosing little details from the CODOH website.  If you can't do this I suggest you stop posting here.

[Pyrrho]

If Treblinka was a "transit camp", why were several hundred bodies discovered there?

If several hundred bodies were discovered there, why do people claim that no mass graves were discovered at Treblinka?

If several hundred bodies were discovered there, why do people claim that no human remains were discovered at Treblinka?

If Treblinka was a transit camp, why does the Polish investigation report specifically mention the discovery of countless human bones and ash identified as being of human origin to depths of several meters in locations where eyewitnesses had claimed that mass graves existed?

If Treblinka was a transit camp, why were local people constantly digging for valuables?

[David]

[quote="Pyrrho"]If Treblinka was a "transit camp", why were several hundred bodies discovered there?
There were two Treblinka Camps, Pyrrho.
Treblinka I was a labor camp which ran a huge gravel quarry.
Treblinka II was also a camp where captured Soviet munitions were
processed.   Both camps together had about 5,000 inmates on the average.


If several hundred bodies were discovered there, why do people claim that no mass graves were discovered at Treblinka?
Depends on how you define "mass."  Among
normal people a mass grave would have 20 - 200 bodies in it.
But remember that we are discussing the amazing tales of Holocaust
Belief.  When you are claiming 900,000 victims were killed at Treblinka
you better come up with "mass graves" with 50,000 - 100,000 bodies
in them.
In fact, the number bodies that were found are entirely consistent with the
"normal" operation of a camp with an average population of 5,000 detainees
operating for 2 1/2 years.
 


If several hundred bodies were discovered there, why do people claim that no human remains were discovered at Treblinka?
No one educated does.  The story of "all bodies having been
destroyed" is a fiction created by Latter Day Believers to "explain" the lack of
any "Holocaust level"  mass graves.


If Treblinka was a transit camp, why does the Polish investigation report specifically mention the discovery of countless human bones and ash identified as being of human origin to depths of several meters in locations where eyewitnesses had claimed that mass graves existed?
The real question is "are any of the countless human bones there now?"  If they are not  (and they are not there)   then the Polish report is just a
propaganda exaggeration of the few "normal" graves which were left by the
Germans.

The two Believer tales are:
1.  The Germans left rotting flesh and bones all over;
2.  The Germans cleverly destroyed all traces of their crime.

In fact, the "investigation" of the Poles simply found the several hundreds
of bodies of the "normal" operation of the two Treblinka camps and
exaggerated what they found.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

If Treblinka was a "transit camp", why were several hundred bodies discovered there?

There were two Treblinka Camps, Pyrrho.
Treblinka I was a labor camp which ran a huge gravel quarry.
Treblinka II was also a camp where captured Soviet munitions were
processed.   Both camps together had about 5,000 inmates on the average.

We already know this however you have lied again The Russian 76.2mm quick fire round was not reprocessed as the waffenamt used captured 76.2mm guns captured from the Russian on the Marder1 and Marder 2.  Standard Rhinemetal 75mm L48s were rechambered in Germany and CMK/Skoda factories for the Marder 3 onwards until supplies of soviet ordinance drained.   No such equipment to do this ever existed at Treblinka.  You made that fact up.  

If several hundred bodies were discovered there, why do people claim that no mass graves were discovered at Treblinka?

Depends on how you define "mass."  Among
normal people a mass grave would have 20 - 200 bodies in it.
But remember that we are discussing the amazing tales of Holocaust
Belief.  When you are claiming 900,000 victims were killed at Treblinka
you better come up with "mass graves" with 50,000 - 100,000 bodies
in them.

"Ash"  David how many times can you forget this without looking like you have brain damage?

In fact, the number bodies that were found are entirely consistent with the "normal" operation of a camp with an average population of 5,000 detainees
operating for 2 1/2 years.

You are pretending you can't read again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fle_Telegram
State secret! To the Reich Security Main Office, for the attention of SS Obersturmbannführer EICHMANN, BERLIN
T (Treblinka)     Sum total as of 31 December, 1942, 713 555
Gosh David and you say, based on your holocaust denier imagination, that you think only 5,000 people worked at both camps.   That's because you are lying again!

No one educated does.  The story of "all bodies having been
destroyed" is a fiction created by Latter Day Believers to "explain" the lack of
any "Holocaust level"  mass graves.

You have lied again! Here is a photo of a mass grave at Treblinka.  I posted it four posts again....did you forget?  are you senile?  http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/pic/bigp51.jpg

PS,  I love the way you are trying to give your lies authority by imitating my blue script.  Although imitation is a form of flattery I would prefer if you imitated me by reading a book or two (or having a doctor look at your loss of memory problem). If you are more of the sexual persuassion of your fellow Nazis like Röhm then I suggest a nice pink waffenfabre as used by Waffen SS Panzergrenadiers.

[David]

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If several hundred bodies were discovered there, why do people claim that no mass graves were discovered at Treblinka?

Depends on how you define "mass."  Among
normal people a mass grave would have 20 - 200 bodies in it.
But remember that we are discussing the amazing tales of Holocaust
Belief.  When you are claiming 900,000 victims were killed at Treblinka
you better come up with "mass graves" with 50,000 - 100,000 bodies
in them.

"Ash"  David how many times can you forget this without looking like you have brain damage?

Hello Matthew-  I understand your screaming about "ash."
It is inconsistant with the Polish claims of  "Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition."

As I said, Believers are  inconsistent.  

[Matthew Ellard]

Hello Matthew-  I understand your screaming about "ash."
It is inconsistant with the Polish claims of  "Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition."  As I said, Believers are  inconsistent.  

No, you obviously don't understand why there is a mix of ash and tissue.  This is because you refuse to read the Polish report.   You refuse to read the Polish report because you are a holocaust denier and holocaust deniers do not believe in reviewing all the evidence.  It is that simple.  In about 20 years you will be on display at a museum as "the last living holocaust denier"  with a sign explaining your inability to read evidence.

[David]

Hello Matthew-  I understand your screaming about "ash."
It is inconsistant with the Polish claims of  "Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition."  As I said, Believers are  inconsistent.  

No, you obviously don't understand why there is a mix of ash and tissue.  This is because you refuse to read the Polish report.  

What I do understand is that if a body still has its flesh then it was
not cremated very thoroughly...which means that you Believers are
about 899,800 bodies short from your Treblinka tales.
  I also noticed that the acres of "countless human bones"
have all disappeared.
Reports by Soviet and Polish investigations from the 1940's tend to greatly exaggerate and distort facts and  are not reliable.

[Matthew Ellard]

What I do understand is that if a body still has its flesh then it was
not cremated very thoroughly...

and?  

which means that you Believers are
about 899,800 bodies short from your Treblinka tales.

Are you really that thick?  The Polish investigation found both human tissue and ash.  Not all bodies were completely cremated and you can see the the body parts in the photos I have posted.  What do you think all the ash surrounding the body parts is?  Why are you too frightened to read the Polish report?  

Reports by Soviet and Polish investigations from the 1940's tend to greatly exaggerate and distort facts and  are not reliable.

CRAP.  You made that up on the spot.  You have never read a Polish or Soviet report and still refuse to do so today.  You are just a lying holocaust denier promoting nazi ideology.

[David]

 Not all bodies were completely cremated    [/color]
Then they should still be there.  Howabout a current picture?

Reports by Soviet and Polish investigations from the 1940's tend to greatly exaggerate and distort facts and  are not reliable.

CRAP.  You made that up on the spot.  You have never read a Polish or Soviet report and still refuse to do so today.  You are just a lying holocaust denier promoting nazi ideology.

Ever heard of the "COMMUNIQUE OF THE POLISH-SOVIET EXTRAORDINARY COMMISSION FOR INVESTIGATING THE CRIMES COMMITTED BY THE GERMANS IN THE MAJDANEK EXTERMINATION CAMP IN LUBLIN"?
It was even "evidence" in the Nuremberg Trial.
Said that 1.400,000 people were murdered at Majdanek.
http://www.jewishgen.org/ForgottenCamps ... eport.html

That is your problem, Matthew.  You keep returning to the unreliable Soviet
propaganda.  As a dog returns to its vomit, so a fool returns to his foolishness
Proverbs 26:11