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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:56 pm

Interesting website someone on Facebook reminded me about:

http://www.thirdreichruins.com/auschwitzbirkenau.htm

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:30 pm

(Take a look at the bold sentence, in the last paragraph)

Auctions:
- Mein Kampf' at auction, Hitler signed, 'Only in battle will the noble man survive!'
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mein- ... le/2633105

- Details, The expected selling price is $15,000-$20,000:
http://auctions.alexautographs.com/asp/ ... 2&mypage=1

- ADOLF HITLER'S LINEN MONOGRAM UNDER SHORTS, The expected selling price is $4,000-5,000
http://auctions.alexautographs.com/asp/ ... 2&mypage=1

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- AMERICAN FLAG FLOWN BY A LANDING CRAFT AT OMAHA BEACH ON D-DAY, Estimate $150,000-250,000
http://auctions.alexautographs.com/auct ... o=+++92516

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Of course, the guy is Greek, Bill Panagopulos:

Alexander President Bill Panagopulos told Secrets that in past sales of Hitler memorabilia have been purchased by known collectors and museums, and he expects the same this time.

The D-Day flag could receive the highest bid. Panagopulos expects it to reach a price of at least $250,000, considering others others have sold for over $400,000.

The sale also includes items from the Holocaust. One notable book is the primer for concentration camp gassings: "Sterilization, Decontamination and Disinfection Employment Instructions for Hospital and Laboratory of the Hygiene Institute of the Waffen-SS, Book 3." Also: German instructions on building a gas chamber.

Asked to comment, the auctioneer responded: "The shameful events we witnessed in Charlottesville last week underscore the need to preserve this material, display it, and educate those who so clearly don't comprehend how they evoke the horrors of World War II."
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:32 pm

Let me get out my checkbook..... :lol:

Be cool to own except for the undershorts.

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:36 pm

I've added a very important piece:

The sale also includes items from the Holocaust. One notable book is the primer for concentration camp gassings: "Sterilization, Decontamination and Disinfection Employment Instructions for Hospital and Laboratory of the Hygiene Institute of the Waffen-SS, Book 3."
Also: German instructions on building a gas chamber.

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:29 pm

Oh, my God.

- Hitler 'had some sort of orgasm' in cinema watching film of French soldiers being killed, New book claims Nazi leader was sexual deviant who gained gratification from murder.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/hitler-had-som ... ed-1637993

Adolf Hitler was a "lurid pervert" whose desire to commit mass killings was spurned by his sexual desire, a new book has claimed.

The shocking claims form part of a book released in Germany entitled Hitler 1 and Hitler 2. The Sexual No-Man's Land by psychologist Volker Elis Pilgrim. In the book, Pilgrim describes the Nazi leader as a "sexually confused serial killer" whose fantasies were driven by his "lust for killing".

The book alleges that Hitler gained his sexual gratification from killing because of his abstention from physical sexual relationships. Hitler described how he had "overcome the urge to possess a woman physically", and called the German nation his "true bride".

The book also recounts a story told by German actress Marianna Hopper, who described how Hitler committed a sexual act whilst the pair watched a film showing Austrians killing French soldiers.

Hopper and Hitler were watching The Rebel in the Berlin Reich Chancellery, which includes a scene showing French sliders being crushed by boulders pushed by Austrians.

In the book, Hopper says: "And there, I believe, Hitler got some kind of thrill and rubbed his knees at this event, as the stones rolled down on the French, and groaned. I don't know if he was crazy, but he got some kind of orgasm.

"I wanted to leave during the show. The man was creepy."


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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Sep 05, 2017 8:46 pm

Sigh. Yech.

From everything I've read about Hitler there was no sign of sexual deviance. He liked women, though he put them on pedestals. He also disliked a lot of contact, especially PDA. He simply hid his various relationships from the public, with one notable exception, Geli Raubal.

I started a thread on this but it sank like a stone, it isn't a particularly popular subject here. I dismiss the weird and wild rumors bandied about, they serve no purpose other than to make him a figure of ridicule. That bothers me as much as those who worship him. The source of the rumors appear to be those with an axe to grind, like Otto Strasser.

This book won't be one I'll pick up.

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Wed Sep 06, 2017 7:54 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Sigh. Yech.

From everything I've read about Hitler there was no sign of sexual deviance. He liked women, though he put them on pedestals. He also disliked a lot of contact, especially PDA. He simply hid his various relationships from the public, with one notable exception, Geli Raubal.

I started a thread on this but it sank like a stone, it isn't a particularly popular subject here. I dismiss the weird and wild rumors bandied about, they serve no purpose other than to make him a figure of ridicule. That bothers me as much as those who worship him. The source of the rumors appear to be those with an axe to grind, like Otto Strasser.

This book won't be one I'll pick up.


I have never looked at this subject in detail. I know is something you can't tell fiction from truth, since all the sources are other people, with an interest to tell the story this or that way, while the only reliable source would be Hitler himself. But we'll never listen to him talking about sex, relationships etc, so it's a blank page for me.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:52 am

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:Sigh. Yech.

From everything I've read about Hitler there was no sign of sexual deviance. He liked women, though he put them on pedestals. He also disliked a lot of contact, especially PDA. He simply hid his various relationships from the public, with one notable exception, Geli Raubal.

I started a thread on this but it sank like a stone, it isn't a particularly popular subject here. I dismiss the weird and wild rumors bandied about, they serve no purpose other than to make him a figure of ridicule. That bothers me as much as those who worship him. The source of the rumors appear to be those with an axe to grind, like Otto Strasser.

This book won't be one I'll pick up.


I have never looked at this subject in detail. I know is something you can't tell fiction from truth, since all the sources are other people, with an interest to tell the story this or that way, while the only reliable source would be Hitler himself. But we'll never listen to him talking about sex, relationships etc, so it's a blank page for me.



Looking at how Hitler behaved in relation to other people is a good way to help figure him out. I've read a few of the various Hitler biographies, all agree he could be aloof, distant, awkward in personal situations.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:54 am

Let's face it though, dictators aren't exactly the warm and fuzzy types.

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Thu Sep 07, 2017 6:08 pm

- Why Did Israel Let Mengele Go?
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/sund ... ubz=0&_r=0

... by the author of:

- Rise and Kill First, The Secret History of Israel’s Targeted Assassinations, to be published at Jan 23, 2018
http://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books ... 400069712/

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 18, 2017 8:11 pm

I'm not sure where to put this but, per CODOH, Daily Stormer is back on-line. I won't link directly to it but this is the link on CODOH.

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11361

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:15 pm

Same for me, so, then:

- Undercover With the Alt-Right - The New York Times
https://archive.is/VJSRF

- Anti-fascist activist goes undercover with 'alt right' to expose movement's rapid European expansion | The Independent
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 57256.html

The report is a great piece of work:
- The International Alternative Right | HOPE Not Hate
https://alternativeright.hopenothate.com/

At the bottom right corner, many known names:

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 1:49 pm

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:Same for me, so, then:

- Undercover With the Alt-Right - The New York Times
https://archive.is/VJSRF

- Anti-fascist activist goes undercover with 'alt right' to expose movement's rapid European expansion | The Independent
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 57256.html

The report is a great piece of work:
- The International Alternative Right | HOPE Not Hate
https://alternativeright.hopenothate.com/

At the bottom right corner, many known names:

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Thanks for that, though, per the Rabbit, it might be better to just shove Irving into the "Alt-Right" UK movement. He's now only into soft denial.

Alison Chabloz....really????? The googly-eyed piano lady actually gets an entry, she must be so proud!!!!!

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:Alison Chabloz....really????? The googly-eyed piano lady actually gets an entry, she must be so proud!!!!!
:lol:


Yes, the Swedish undercover guy in his account tells a story, how they were drinking beers with this b*tch and mocking the holocaust.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:11 pm

I like how they accepted him because he was Swedish!

I'd never heard of Ian Millard before - he sounds lovely.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 5:55 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:I like how they accepted him because he was Swedish!


That's funny, I thought the same thing.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:01 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I'm not sure where to put this but, per CODOH, Daily Stormer is back on-line. I won't link directly to it but this is the link on CODOH.

https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11361

Update from the Daily Beast on Anglin's .is hosting situation.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Sep 22, 2017 10:53 am

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:I like how they accepted him because he was Swedish!


That's funny, I thought the same thing.

A bit more from Hermansson on this:
There are many reasons for their obsession with Sweden. One is just like the German Nazis did in the 1930s. Sweden, or Scandinavia, has always been important. It has been considered as Aryanism, as the origin of the white race, the Aryan people and therefore it's significant, it's about racial purity. And they think that way, they still do. There's this imaginary idea of a pure Sweden.

Then after Sweden taking quite many immigrants in 2015 the far right or the alt-right have tried to paint a picture of Sweden as a 'failed state' where rape is going up, et cetera, and that this is because of immigration. This has to do with Sweden as a symbol of left-wing society, so to draw the picture of Sweden as failing is important in order to discredit the left more broadly as 'cultural Marxism', as a self-destructive ideology.

So then to come to the UK or the US as a Swede it is very easy to have a conversation about this and people will very quickly agree with you when you say that "the Sweden I remember has been destroyed" and they will trust you.

And on how racist groups can hold the apparently contradictory ideas that "there's the idea that feminists are oppressing Sweden, and on the other hand there's the idea that women in Sweden are being oppressed by Muslim immigrants":
We shouldn't always try to rationalize these opinions, because it's going to put us in some sort of corner where we can't find our way out, because it doesn't always make any sense. But yes, they do, both those ideas, and they are said very frequently by the same people and in the same evening.

So (they believe that) feminism is one of the biggest threats – it's part of the left. That and the Jews are important and they connect feminism with Jewish world conspiracy as well, sometimes. So that's a problem, because it's egalitarian and these people are anti-egalitarian: people are different and should therefore not be made out to be equals, that's a threat that will lead to the degeneration of society.

At the same time, building on that, these people see the women of a country as the property of that nation, so then if a foreign, so to say, 'invader', is a threat to women, which they also make it out to be, then that's also a threat. So it is quite compatible to have both, I guess, if you think the way they do.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Darren Wilshak » Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:32 pm

Colls (CSC) article:

"Earth conceal not my blood."

https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/46568872.pdf

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Postby Darren Wilshak » Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:20 pm

Pdf of the 2014 book

Destruction and Human Remains.

Contains among other things,genocidal - a study of Erich Muhsfeld, the Krema Direktor at Birkenau.

Subjects (inc the H).

Humanities, History, History: specific events and topics, Genocide and ethnic cleansing

Abstract

"Destruction and human remains investigates a crucial question frequently neglected in academic debate in the fields of mass violence and genocide studies: what is done to the bodies of the victims after they are killed? In the context of mass violence, death does not constitute the end of the executors' work..."

http://oapen.org/search?identifier=628390

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:10 pm

Thank you, Darren. I will read both when I get a chance.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:26 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:Pdf of the 2014 book

Destruction and Human Remains.

Contains among other things,genocidal - a study of Erich Muhsfeld, the Krema Direktor at Birkenau.

Subjects (inc the H).

Humanities, History, History: specific events and topics, Genocide and ethnic cleansing

Abstract

"Destruction and human remains investigates a crucial question frequently neglected in academic debate in the fields of mass violence and genocide studies: what is done to the bodies of the victims after they are killed? In the context of mass violence, death does not constitute the end of the executors' work..."

http://oapen.org/search?identifier=628390

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Thanks for both links, Darren. Much appreciated. Note: Erich Muhsfeldt, after a short stint at Auschwitz, was transferred to Majdanekin 1941 IIRC, where he was in charge of corpse disposal; he wasn't sent back to Auschwitz until some time after Erntefest in late 1943.

I saw Dreyfus give a paper on this work about 4 or 5 years ago. It was excellent.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Darren Wilshak » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:21 pm

Yes SM I believe that you did now. So you didn't get this for your shelves? I saw the usual H bibliophiles mentioned it a little bit back and really wanted to have a look. So I am pleased that I found this. Many thanks to the poster concerned.

I hope you can get to it Jeff 1970, it looks to be a great read.

Unlike Sagtastic the siege at ISF - he most certainly is a tedious nutter.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:35 pm

Darren Wilshak wrote:Yes SM I believe that you did now. So you didn't get this for your shelves? I saw the usual H bibliophiles mentioned it a little bit back and really wanted to have a look. So I am pleased that I found this. Many thanks to the poster concerned.

I hope you can get to it Jeff 1970, it looks to be a great read.

Unlike Sagtastic the siege at ISF - he most certainly is a tedious nutter.

No, I never saw this. I actually was arsed to write Dreyfus about his paper and Berkhoff's on Babi Yar presented together (neither in here - but that is more than made up for by Mainlander's having a chapter on Muhsfeldt at Majdanek!).

Thanks again. I too am pleased that you found (and linked) it.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:01 pm

- Rare Holocaust photos resurface in North Hollywood home
The 13 black-and-white pictures of starving prisoners, barbed-wire enclosures and piles of corpses sat in a cardboard box in a North Hollywood residence, half a world and seven decades removed from the horrors they captured.
http://jewishjournal.com/news/world/225 ... wood-home/

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Sep 28, 2017 7:54 pm

almost impossible to look at, thanks for these Kleon, thank god the wise-asses have left us, those are horrific
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Oct 03, 2017 1:27 pm

Although I can say I have read quite a bit of literature from WWII era people, this particular letter of a 47 years old German-Jewish lawyer (unnamed), written to an old school friend (name given as Frederick) on 2 February 1939, has shocked me:

[On the second half of this article:]

http://246mag.com/i-was-quite-willing-t ... her-senses

And so we came to the resolve that we would rather take leave of life than depart from Germany.

We did not find it hard. For 47 years I have travelled in the heights and in the valleys which life offers and now am rather happy again at the prospect of once more beginning anew….’

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:35 pm

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:Although I can say I have read quite a bit of literature from WWII era people, this particular letter of a 47 years old German-Jewish lawyer (unnamed), written to an old school friend (name given as Frederick) on 2 February 1939, has shocked me:

[On the second half of this article:]

http://246mag.com/i-was-quite-willing-t ... her-senses

And so we came to the resolve that we would rather take leave of life than depart from Germany.

We did not find it hard. For 47 years I have travelled in the heights and in the valleys which life offers and now am rather happy again at the prospect of once more beginning anew….’


I've read similar letters from German Jews, patriots who fought for their country during WW I, professional people who worked hard for their education, so on. I imagined how painful it must be to suddenly lose everything and feel like a pariah in one's own country. This lawyer was lucky, he and his wife escaped before that was no longer possible and all that awaited him was increased persecution and being trapped in a country bombed to pieces by the Allies and invaded by the Red Army. His German wife saved his life.

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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:48 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:This lawyer was lucky, he and his wife escaped before that was no longer possible and all that awaited him was increased persecution and being trapped in a country bombed to pieces by the Allies and invaded by the Red Army. His German wife saved his life.


I'm not 100% certain but my understanding is they committed suicide.
I think this comes out from phrases like ...

- Had we had children we might have attempted it, for their sake, but for ourselves, no! A life of vegetation is no life at all.

- And so we came to the resolve that we would rather take leave of life than depart from Germany.

- Forgive me [my friend] for this act of ghoulishness, since when you hold these lines in your hand we shall already have escaped from the hardships that have been ours on this unfriendly earth. We could not stand it any longer!

- We did not find it hard.


Doesn't it?

The last sentence (if it was the closing last phrase of his letter) confuses me, since it doesn't end normally but it could be also the closing of a suicide letter:

For 47 years I have travelled in the heights and in the valleys which life offers and now am rather happy again at the prospect of once more beginning anew….’


Not a surprise if I got it wrong, but that was the impression to me, what do you all think?

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Oct 03, 2017 6:53 pm

Kleon_I XYZ Contagion wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:This lawyer was lucky, he and his wife escaped before that was no longer possible and all that awaited him was increased persecution and being trapped in a country bombed to pieces by the Allies and invaded by the Red Army. His German wife saved his life.


I'm not 100% certain but my understanding is they committed suicide.
I think this comes out from phrases like ...

- Had we had children we might have attempted it, for their sake, but for ourselves, no! A life of vegetation is no life at all.

- And so we came to the resolve that we would rather take leave of life than depart from Germany.

- Forgive me [my friend] for this act of ghoulishness, since when you hold these lines in your hand we shall already have escaped from the hardships that have been ours on this unfriendly earth. We could not stand it any longer!

- We did not find it hard.


Doesn't it?

The last sentence (if it was the closing last phrase of his letter) confuses me, since it doesn't end normally but it could be also the closing of a suicide letter:

For 47 years I have travelled in the heights and in the valleys which life offers and now am rather happy again at the prospect of once more beginning anew….’


Not a surprise if I got it wrong, but that was the impression to me, what do you all think?



Ah, no, you are right. I missed the last part when he discusses it.

Even worse....

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Postby Darren Wilshak » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:25 pm

Thanks for the post on the suicide note.

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Christian Ingrao, "General Chronology of Nazi Violence," Sciences Po, 2008: http://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence- ... i-violence
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927


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