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Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:07 am

I have never understood why modern-day Nazis try and portray that Hitler and the Nazis were pan-Europeans. Anyone who has studied the basics of Nazism will know that one of the main ideas of Nazism was the concept of Lebensraum ("living space") in Eastern Europe with the desire to gain territories and resettle Germans there.

Hitler himself said in Mein Kampf:
the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race.
And:
And so, we National Socialists consciously draw a line beneath the foreign policy tendency of our pre–War period. We take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endless German movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the East. At long last, we break off the colonial and commercial policy of the pre–War period and shift to the soil policy of the future.
General Erich Hoepner of the Panzer Group 4 told his troops:
The war against Russia is an important chapter in the German nation's struggle for existence. It is the old battle of the Germanic against the Slavic people, of the defence of European culture against Muscovite-Asiatic inundation and of the repulse of Jewish Bolshevism. The objective of this battle must be the demolition of present-day Russia and must therefore be conducted with unprecedented severity. Every military action must be guided in planning and execution by an iron resolution to exterminate the enemy remorselessly and totally. In particular, no adherents of the contemporary Russian Bolshevik system are to be spared.
Himmler in a speech to the Eastern Front Battle Group "Nord" said:
It is a war of ideologies and struggle races. On one side stands National Socialism: ideology, founded on the values of our Germanic, Nordic blood. It is worth the world as we want to see: beautiful, orderly, fair, socially, a world that may be, still suffers some flaws, but overall a happy, beautiful world filled with culture, which is precisely Germany. On the other side stands the 180 millionth people, a mixture of races and peoples, whose names are unpronounceable, and whose physical nature is such that the only thing that they can do - is to shoot without pity or mercy. These animals, which are subjected to torture and ill-treatment of each prisoner from our side, which do not have medical care they captured our wounded, as do the decent men, you will see them for yourself. These people have joined a Jewish religion, one ideology, called Bolshevism, with the task of: having now Russian, half [located] in Asia, parts of Europe, crush Germany and the world. When you, my friends, are fighting in the East, you keep that same fight against the same subhumans, against the same inferior races that once appeared under the name of Huns, and later - 1,000 years ago during the time of King Henry and Otto I, - the name of the Hungarians, and later under the name of Tatars, and then they came again under the name of Genghis Khan and the Mongols. Today they are called Russian under the political banner of Bolshevism.
There are dozens upon dozens of other quotes which clearly demonstrate that the Nazis regarded the Slavs as culturally and racially inferior. The only exceptions amongst the Slavs were those classified as 'racially valuable', in other words, those that were considered to be of Germanic descent.

I have attempted to debate with modern-day Nazis on the RODOH forum with limited success since they all tend to deny or ignore the evidence.

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 50#p132262

It's highly ironic that many modern-day Nazis are actually Russians.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:24 am

Hello and welcome to the forum.

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 12, 2018 10:41 am

Good thread over there, Gordy, I've been reading along, welcome here.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:22 am

Oh so its Gordy who is Goody. ;-)

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:39 am

Damn me, sorry Goody. I keep reading your name as Gordy. It's Balmoral to them at Rodoh anyway. :)
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:16 pm

Welcome to the forum.

The answer for your question is pretty simple and obvious: Neo Nazis deny the Nazi hatred of slavs because it hurts and doesn't go along with their theories about the Nazis being a beacon of light for the white race. They understand that it doesn't make sense to say that the Nazis fought for the white race when in reallity they sought the destruction of millions of ethnicly white people - and therefore, the make up stupid excuses about how the didn't REALLY hate slavs, the only reason why Nazis systematically killed them is because, as the say, both sides were turned against each other by... guess who? Off couse, them (((Jews))).

This approach is well presented in a song by a Neo Nazi Black Metal band from Ukraine called "Nocturnal Mortem" (don't ask me how I ended up finding it...), which pretty much "explains" it all.

"What incited the germans to go against Slavs
who made Russia to rot Ukraine?‎
Who sucked power from the world as a vampire?‎
who feels himself a master today?‎
If they weren't burnt those 60 years ago they should be burnt today!"
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Im_Not_Creative_Enough » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:23 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:07 am
I have never understood why modern-day Nazis try and portray that Hitler and the Nazis were pan-Europeans. Anyone who has studied the basics of Nazism will know that one of the main ideas of Nazism was the concept of Lebensraum ("living space") in Eastern Europe with the desire to gain territories and resettle Germans there.

Hitler himself said in Mein Kampf:
the organization of a Russian state formation was not the result of the political abilities of the Slavs in Russia, but only a wonderful example of the state-forming efficacity of the German element in an inferior race.
And:
And so, we National Socialists consciously draw a line beneath the foreign policy tendency of our pre–War period. We take up where we broke off six hundred years ago. We stop the endless German movement to the south and west, and turn our gaze toward the land in the East. At long last, we break off the colonial and commercial policy of the pre–War period and shift to the soil policy of the future.
General Erich Hoepner of the Panzer Group 4 told his troops:
The war against Russia is an important chapter in the German nation's struggle for existence. It is the old battle of the Germanic against the Slavic people, of the defence of European culture against Muscovite-Asiatic inundation and of the repulse of Jewish Bolshevism. The objective of this battle must be the demolition of present-day Russia and must therefore be conducted with unprecedented severity. Every military action must be guided in planning and execution by an iron resolution to exterminate the enemy remorselessly and totally. In particular, no adherents of the contemporary Russian Bolshevik system are to be spared.
Himmler in a speech to the Eastern Front Battle Group "Nord" said:
It is a war of ideologies and struggle races. On one side stands National Socialism: ideology, founded on the values of our Germanic, Nordic blood. It is worth the world as we want to see: beautiful, orderly, fair, socially, a world that may be, still suffers some flaws, but overall a happy, beautiful world filled with culture, which is precisely Germany. On the other side stands the 180 millionth people, a mixture of races and peoples, whose names are unpronounceable, and whose physical nature is such that the only thing that they can do - is to shoot without pity or mercy. These animals, which are subjected to torture and ill-treatment of each prisoner from our side, which do not have medical care they captured our wounded, as do the decent men, you will see them for yourself. These people have joined a Jewish religion, one ideology, called Bolshevism, with the task of: having now Russian, half [located] in Asia, parts of Europe, crush Germany and the world. When you, my friends, are fighting in the East, you keep that same fight against the same subhumans, against the same inferior races that once appeared under the name of Huns, and later - 1,000 years ago during the time of King Henry and Otto I, - the name of the Hungarians, and later under the name of Tatars, and then they came again under the name of Genghis Khan and the Mongols. Today they are called Russian under the political banner of Bolshevism.
There are dozens upon dozens of other quotes which clearly demonstrate that the Nazis regarded the Slavs as culturally and racially inferior. The only exceptions amongst the Slavs were those classified as 'racially valuable', in other words, those that were considered to be of Germanic descent.

I have attempted to debate with modern-day Nazis on the RODOH forum with limited success since they all tend to deny or ignore the evidence.

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 50#p132262

It's highly ironic that many modern-day Nazis are actually Russians.
Tell me about it. I remember how furious my grandma, who lived in the USSR until she was 68, was after she once saw a news segment about Neo-Nazis in moden Russia. She was like "dammit, they worship the same people that their grandparent died fighting against".

You know, this actually could be an awesome premis for an actioin movie. "An old WWII veteran wages a one-man-war against a gang of neo nazis, one them happens to be the great grandson of his best friend who was killed fighting the Germans alongside him". Harrison Ford would kill this role.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Balmoral95 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:26 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:39 am
Damn me, sorry Goody. I keep reading your name as Gordy. It's Balmoral to them at Rodoh anyway. :)
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:09 pm

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:15 pm

Balmoral95 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:26 pm
Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:39 am
Damn me, sorry Goody. I keep reading your name as Gordy. It's Balmoral to them at Rodoh anyway. :)
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Lol just sign it Trolljerkoff and you’ll be fine ;)
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Post by Goody67 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:41 pm

Thanks everyone.

Many of people on RODOH seem to have neither the intellectual ability nor the desire to want to learn. They often don't like to accept the truth because it is contrary to their own delusional beliefs.

A common argument and so-called rebuttal from the deniers is that the Nazis were not anti-Slavic because of the fact that Slavs fought in the Waffen-SS. Quite clearly they are ignoring the fact that Hitler and the Nazis had expressed anti-Slavic ideas way before the recruitment of Slavs to fight as cannon fodder. Himmler even laughed at the Russians and others fighting on the German side.

I think most of the modern-day Nazis tend to be uneducated, rude, racist, antisemitic, delusional, idiotic, etc.

Why is it that not a single of them is able to hold a decent discussion? They always end up personally attacking people and making claims without any evidence.

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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:54 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:41 pm
Thanks everyone.

Many of people on RODOH seem to have neither the intellectual ability nor the desire to want to learn. They often don't like to accept the truth because it is contrary to their own delusional beliefs.

No, they do not. :D
A common argument and so-called rebuttal from the deniers is that the Nazis were not anti-Slavic because of the fact that Slavs fought in the Waffen-SS. Quite clearly they are ignoring the fact that Hitler and the Nazis had expressed anti-Slavic ideas way before the recruitment of Slavs to fight as cannon fodder. Himmler even laughed at the Russians and others fighting on the German side.
Or treated them in a condescending manner.

Hitler always fought against having Russian or other Slavs in the German Army. The Wehrmacht actually hid the extent to which it used Slavs.
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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:56 pm

Goody,

So, having more experience with the Rodoh crowd than is healthy for a person, I can give a simple answer to
Why is it that not a single of them is able to hold a decent discussion?
It's because doing so would get in the way of what they want to do, which is redeem Nazism (and for many of them throw in some anti-Semitic cruelties, bait Jews, and play out their personal dramas). It's a matter of protecting cherished political positions.

A related answer has two parts: 1) they don't know the history of the period except for some Nazified memes (and don't really care about it) so 2) they glom onto whatever sounds good to them, and might also fool some people who aren't well informed, they hope.

Their arguments about Hitler's attitudes towards the Slavs, which you've comprehensively shredded over there, rely on decontextualized claims, like "But they let Slavs in the Waffen-SS." The Nazis also recruited Slavs to guard death camps in the East, help with deportations of the Jews, and hunt down Jews missed in the big deportation waves to kill them in ones and twos and threes. Funny how they don't mention this "pro-Slav" behavior of the Germans in the East. They come off, in their responses, as being in the dark about increasingly dire German manpower issues as the war progressed (and how these needs meant that the Third Reich had to compromise initial goals) and the lengths which the Nazis went to solve numbers issues in production and the military, as well as being clueless about some of the nuances of Nazi policies in the East (for example, the Rosenberg line vs Himmlers'/Hitler's/Koch's for administration of Eastern territories).

They tried another form of this same decontextualized argument over at Rodoh when Rigg's book came out on "Jews in the Wehrmacht." The silly cherrypicking and concomitant victory dances were on full display. It turned out, of course, that Rigg's numbers were nonsense - and, more to the point, his "Jewish Wehrmacht cohort" were mostly (if not all) Mischlinge. Heck, by 1944, after making Germany virtually Judenrein, Himmler and Dolfy were bringing Jews back to the Reich to address labor needs - and wound up shuffling slave laborers around in dizzying, panicked moves as the war went south for the Third Reich. Deniers "misinterpret" all this as the Jews somehow going in the other direction - to the East, and landing in Soviet hands, undiscovered. It's clutching at straws to the nth power.

VFX (NSDAP) and montgomery (montgomery2) whined when they were posting here that some of us - well, like me - told them they were ignorant putzes. But they are. This morning I read a few of Trolljegeren's replies to Nessie, where Trolljegeren speculates about the oft-deployed denier USSR gambit ("in all probability the death camp scenario came from the USSR"), for which he can't adduce any evidence and for which contemporary evidence says he's full of {!#%@} (Katzmann's report, to take but one example), and, more to the point, asks Nessie
If it was a transit camp why should there be records. I do not think the modern laws of keeping records applied back then. Once it is done and dusted that is it.
I suppose little quips like that, based on fulsome ignorance, satisfy Trolljegeren. OTOH for those of us minimally acquainted with the history of the period and context, it's not a matter of snarky quips and wild guesses as to what might be the case or should (in denier dreams) be the case. We know that for actual transit/resettlement operations during this period there's copious evidence, including various kinds of records, starting with Nazi removals of Jews from ghettos (e.g., Warsaw, Łódż, or Vilnius) and continuing through the Nazis' Nisko action (involving <100,000 Jews in related operations) and, for comparison's sake, movement of people in the Soviet Union and their resettlement during the war away from the front.

We also know that there is no similar evidence for the massive resettlement of Polish or other European Jews somewhere in the East, as David Cole says in some happy but delusional Unicornville.

We even witnessed a few years ago the spectacle of a leading denier "auteur" desperately trying to find cases of Jews sent from Warsaw through Treblinka to elsewhere at the time of the large deportation action in Warsaw in summer and early fall 1942; his abject appeal - before making it, he'd been schooled in the issues in this subforum in fact - garnered no responses and he removed the webpage before ultimately giving up on HD.

They'd rather burble about coulda, shoulda, woulda than deal with such vast amounts of evidence for what happened. Getting them seriously to address the evidence against their claims, and supporting a more familiar narrative, has always been impossible.

Now, back to Trolljegeren's recent difficulties with Nessie's questions, the Einsatz Reinhard camps "processed" 1.5 million deportees ... and Trolljegeren wants to make himself believe no evidence should exist for what became them - and that it's reasonable to believe in their supposed "transit" and resettlement, for which he admits that he can't find any evidence, but unreasonable to understand when, where, and how they were murdered, for which there is a great deal of evidence? When so much such evidence exists for real transit/resettlement operations, including ones far smaller. All righty then, but entertaining delusional characters stops being entertaining at a certain point.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Oct 12, 2018 5:40 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:41 pm
...Why is it that not a single of them is able to hold a decent discussion? They always end up personally attacking people and making claims without any evidence.
I'd guess "pounding the table" when it becomes apparent they are losing/have lost the argument is a rather common reaction by those not interested in real discussion and facts. :pardon:


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Post by Balsamo » Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:17 pm

Hi Goody67 and welcome to this forum.

You raise a excellent topic here.

Some remarks though.
The first point is that the term "Neo-Nazi" designates a global phenomenon, but depending on the location of the various "fascist like" movements, the term should be nuanced.
As far as i know, the "neo-Nazis" within the slave countries do not really identify themselves to Hitler, and in most cases, their "political ideology" is quite basically pure racism and "white power".
Regarding the historical references of those movements, there are two types:
- One would be nostalgia of the USSR, or " National-Bolshevism" which regrets the time where all the republics were under the authority of Moscow.
- The Others most common would refer to the old "Panslavism" of the former Russian empire, that is the times when the Russian Czars were looking to unify the Slave people into their empire.
Besides common racism, their main targets are the Jews of course, but also the Muslims - leftovers from the times when Crimea for instance was part of the Ottoman empire.

In the west, things are different, and those movements who identify themselves with National Socialism, indeed, like to point out the European dimension of the National Socialist project.
This one is nothing new actually and might be the result of a specific form of propaganda that originated from the Nazis themselves and targeted the European political parties that collaborated.

In their imaginary world, they focus on the so called "European fight against Jewish-Bolshevism", pointing out the European character of the Waffen SS, with fighters from Scandinavia, Baltic States, Ukraine, France, Belgium, Spain, pointing out the participation of countries like Italy, Romania, Hungary, Slovenia, Finland in the fight.
The more sophisticated would refer to a hypothetical new European project after the victory against the "Asian hordes", a "European transnational Socialism", which the Nazis never really defined in the first place of course, but because of that, left the door open for collaborationist parties to envision such a future.

This "international Fascism" was an old project - even before the war - which, of course, never materialized because of its contradictions, but which was given a new strength during the war against the USSR. This was basically the only point in common: to defend the European continent and its culture against Bolshevism. Because of this simplicity it manage to reach a great variety of people, including Christians defending Religion to the middle class. The Nazis at some point attempted to internationalize at the western European level the concept of "Sein oder nicht sein".
Most of the hundreds of thousands that volunteered to fight the Soviets were not really fighting for the NSDAP, but AGAINST Bolshevism.
This was the fundamental context of the "pseudo scientific conferences" organized by the Nazis along with the organization of "exhibitions proving the evil project of international Jewry, and the fundamental evil nature of the Jews".
Along this, today absolutely forgotten, there also were new economical theories that were promoted, who for example knows "La Revolution Europeenne"* by Francis Delaisi ( 1873-1947)...but you'll find him in more famous writings by people like Leon Degrelle...or famous Nazis like Skorzeny...
* Delaisi who was an economist who was proposing a new economic model based on production instead of trade, a new monetary system based on a "work standard" instead of "gold/monetary Standard, etc, a new European economic sphere where nation-States would barter instead of trade, with Germany as the manufacturing centers that would then distribute its production to the countries providing the resource...
Already Anti-capitalism, anti-liberalism, anti trade, anti-elite...

Of course, it was all very naive to suppose that a victorious Hitler would have created something like an alternative form of EU...This was of course a fantasy from the start.

There are still some people to believe that {!#%@}, which is why holocaust denial is essential to them, because of course, this genocide makes it difficult to promote this very same fantasy.

So yes, beyond the term of "Neo-Nazi" there are many different tendencies, based on many different references.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:27 pm

I want you all to have a laugh at some of the deniers replies.

NSDAP:
At the time the Slavs were the enemy, it was a matter of expedience to regard them as subhuman communists. In war this is a common ploy to denigrate the enemy. At the end of the day, it was their young men killing our young men.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 50#p132075

Notorious Holocaust denier Friedrich Paul Berg:
Goody67 is obviously a moron--and probably American as well. Can Goody67 give some credible sources? He hasn't so far.

Didn't the Waffen SS have many thousands upon thousands of Slav volunteers? How would that have been possible if there had been such anti-Slav prejudice as Goody67 alleges?

FPB
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 60#p132282

Berg then moved the goalposts and demanded original sources rather than credible sources; once provided with those sources he then dismissed the evidence. He also strangely claimed that the Finns and Hungarians are arguably Slavic. :lol: Heck, even Hitler and the Nazis did not preach that BS.

NSDAP often posts things like:
With due respect we are descendants of those fallen soldiers in war and politically, but thank you for the information. Our own files are somewhat more technical than those books, but the thought is appreciated. I have spoken to you once or twice and you suggest that our knowledge is limited.? This attitude says far more about you perhaps than I or my colleagues.
Untermensch???
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... &start=270

He thinks that because he is allegedly descended from German soldiers that he knows more than other people. :roll:
We have our own files and sources which are originals. About a tonne or so. As they totally conflict with the threads intention we will leave that for other people to discuss. Untermensch means a subhuman, which is somewhat derogatory to say the least and in war time may have been applied to the enemy on the Eastern front. However, keep posting your perceived knowledge here, it is interesting and although we may disagree that is the thoughts of the authors you have read. The Russians I know would find that information rather laughable, but others would not. Very peculiar people. At the end of the day after a few vodkas no one gives a worry. At the moment, though you appear to be somewhat narrow minded on this issue which raises suspicions.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 70#p132344

When questioned about the files and sources, he ignored my post.

Another user named 'rollo the ganger' claims that the Nazis only viewed the Poles as culturally inferior. Clearly he struggles to comprehend basic English. He also thinks that evidence provided from someone that wrote down what was said during a speech can only be regarded as hearsay. :roll:

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 90#p132439

The quotes in that post provide more than enough evidence that the Nazis regarded the Poles and other Slavs as both culturally and racially inferior.

Another user 'Huntinger' things that the Nazis were not anti-Polish and that was only the view of Ukrainians and Russians. I debunked his ridiculous claim with ease.

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 10#p132618

I replied that I ignored NSDAP's post and he replied with this BS:
You have only been here a very short while and are in no position to make that statement. NSDAP linked to other verifiable sources which you failed to read. Wiki is good as it does provide instant verification: for many viewers posting links to books is not very appropriate. I doubt the veracity of your work and suspect your motives.
This thread is about the Reich attitude to the Slavs not just the Poles. As the Ukrainians and Russians disdained the Poles with more visciousness than the Reich then the focus should be on the other Slavs.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 10#p132623

Trolljegeren:
No, his information is just from old time scholars who helped perhaps to conjure this mythical reality. I thank him for giving great books to read but in Iceland almost impossible to source. This is why I prefer to find the same information online and if further investigation is needed ordering a book from the University Library will happen. Not everyone has a University Library at their fingertips nor the time to read. The whole holocaust issue is becoming like a Neckers cube, stare at it and the perspective changes. I think it is worthwhile to investigate the ethnic cleansing of 20 million Germans under Soviet hands. This would put the Jewish Shoah into irrelevance. I will start a thread on it soon.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 20#p132642

I think this quote sums up the logic (or rather lack of!) of deniers.

Trolljegeren believes that there is no evidence that the Germans killed the Poles en masse after the invasion of Poland. Despite the fact there is evidence that even German Generals complained about the atrocities.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:29 pm

Another thing that I have noticed from the Nazis on RODOH is that they like to think that describing themselves as 'National Socialists' rather than 'Nazis' makes a difference. I wonder if they make the assumption that everyone has heard of the latter term and regards those people with utter contempt (and rightly so), but not the former term because it is the full form of the common word 'Nazi'.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:38 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 1:54 pm
Or treated them in a condescending manner.

Hitler always fought against having Russian or other Slavs in the German Army. The Wehrmacht actually hid the extent to which it used Slavs.
I have posted on RODOH about the extent to which Himmler refused even the term 'Ukrainian' to be used as the name of a Waffen-SS Division. The term 'Galicia' was used because Himmler with his pseudoscience racial beliefs believed that the Galicians were more 'Aryan'. The terms 'Ukrainian' and 'Ukraine' were prohibited when addressing the Division.

Although the Nazi propaganda brochure Der Untermensch ("The Subhuman") was about hatred towards the Soviets, it was not against the Slavs since the term does not appear in the brochure. Nevertheless, Himmler after a meeting with Vlasov ordered for the brochure to be withdrawn from circulation and actually ordered an internal instruction for all propaganda against subhumans to be stopped.

All sorts of different ethnic groups and races eventually fought in the Waffen-SS. The only reason was because the sheer lack of German manpower.

The Nazis lost so much power in the end that they even formed the Volkssturm ("people's storm") which consisted of many inexperienced Germans between the ages 16-60 that were not already serving in another military unit.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:50 pm

Nice summary of the discussion.

Ah, Rodoh and its cast of characters . . . In his first appearance here, NSDAP (posting here as VFX) made similar claims about how an unidentified "we" possessed documentary proof that Einsatz Reinhard was a rogue criminal operation of some sort. When his claims were met with a number of posts detailing evidence against them and requests that he actually support what he posted ... he disappeared for a number of months. Your experience with him mirrors ours.

Trollo the ganger was, when I posted at Rodoh, basically a cheerleader who occasionally whined about strong language or concocted fanciful, preposterous scenarios (here he tried to make the case that the Jäger report was a Soviet forgery on account of the supposed use of Zhikharev Cyrillic Bold font for the Geheime Reichssache! stamp).

It was FP Berg who won a Stundie at the old JREF for his argument that Jews could have held their breath to survive had there "really" been gas chambers.

Through the years, as a large number of knowledgeable members - among them some who do significant archival research - departed Rodoh, and new members, whether simply hatstand crazy or blatant Nazi fanboys, joined, the place descended into a bizarre combination of a cloistered theater of the absurd and grotesquely dysfunctional family. The amount of repetition and the painfully drawn-out attempts to deal with simple points have gotten worse through the years IMO. With Rodoh, what you see is what you get. They won't be changing or ever, really, responding.

Some folks posting here go way back on Rodoh, some have posted there only recently, others have stayed away.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:21 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:50 pm
Nice summary of the discussion.

Ah, Rodoh and its cast of characters . . . In his first appearance here, NSDAP (posting here as VFX) made similar claims about how an unidentified "we" possessed documentary proof that Einsatz Reinhard was a rogue criminal operation of some sort. When his claims were met with a number of posts detailing evidence against his claims and requests that he be support what he posted ... he disappeared for a number of months. Your experience with him mirrors ours.

Trollo the ganger was, when I posted at Rodoh, basically a cheerleader who occasionally whined about strong language or concocted fanciful, preposterous scenarios (here he tried to make the case that the Jäger report was a Soviet forgery on account of the supposed use of Zhikharev Cyrillic Bold font for the Geheime Reichssache! stamp).

It was FP Berg who won a Stundie at the old JREF for his argument that Jews could have held their breath to survive had there "really" been gas chambers.

Through the years, as a large number of knowledgeable members - among them some who do significant archival research - departed Rodoh, and new members, whether simply hatstand crazy or blatant Nazi fanboys, joined, the place descended into a bizarre combination of a cloistered theater of the absurd and grotesquely dysfunctional family. The amount of repetition and the painfully drawn-out attempts to deal with simple points have gotten worse through the years IMO. With Rodoh, what you see is what you get. They won't be changing or ever, really, responding.

Some folks posting here go way back on Rodoh, some have posted there only recently, others have stayed away.
I have no idea why NSDAP uses the plural "we". Is he English? I doubt it, his posts are full of bad grammar.

I often think to myself that a lot of the users on RODOH are just sad and lonely individuals that like to sit behind a computer screen and have an urge for the feeling of belonging to something. Ostensibly very few actually know anything about Nazism.

I have read posts claiming that the Nazis were the best thing for Europe such as when Trolljegeren wrote:
I think again you are correct, the third Reich ended 73 years ago so I am sure he is not in his 90s or so. However, he is not a Nazi, he is National Socialist. This is the bone of contention in that you perhaps have an image of National Socialists as thugs, murderers etc, sociopaths even. There may be Nazis on this forum that hold those views, I do not know. Your stereotyping is not helping your position at all. When you write on a forum you are writing to others and inviting them to the conversation and yet reject Huntingers viewpoints. In relationship to the question or the intention of the thread, the Soviets were a real threat to Europe and not just a perceived one. Perhaps if there was negative reaction to the Soviets who were Slavs it could just be the result of Comrade Stalins methodology of murder, rape, pillage and plunder. National Socialism was the only force that could protect Europe.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 20#p132825

I replied to the last sentence:
What makes you come to that conclusion?

Quite clearly you do not know about what the Nazis had intended for Europe.

Go and tell that to the Eastern Europeans and the people who had family members that were killed by the Nazis.
I wonder why he has not yet responded. :)

I also replied to NSDAP:
A real modern-day Nazi would idolise the extermination of the Jews, not deny it.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... ny#p132904

I have actually had the unfortunate experience of meeting a handful of neo-Nazis that fully idolised the Holocaust and did not deny a single bit of it. On the contrary, they embraced it and wished that Hitler had finished the job off properly. That is obviously the complete opposite to the keyboard warrior Nazis that have absolutely no idea about the Nazis, the Third Reich and the Holocaust.

The only decent user on RODOH seems to be Nessie. His posts refute what the deniers claim so they simply respond with personal insults. Whenever I see an ad hominem in a post I think straightaway that he or she has lost the argument.

What are your experiences with the user been-there? He is not the sharpest tool in the shed and has a habit of just copying and pasting BS.

One thing I find funny is that many of those that preach Nazism on RODOH would have been sent to the concentration camps. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:38 am

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Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:21 am
I have no idea why NSDAP uses the plural "we". Is he English? I doubt it, his posts are full of bad grammar.
He claims to be German and IIRC to be part of some revived SA groupuscle.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:21 am
I often think to myself that a lot of the users on RODOH are just sad and lonely individuals that like to sit behind a computer screen and have an urge for the feeling of belonging to something. Ostensibly very few actually know anything about Nazism.
My experience with them is that they are, on the whole, deeply anti-Semitic. To me they are less sad than bitter, futile misfits.

For example, here is a 1999 news piece, from the Bergen (New Jersey) Record on the esteemed FP Berg.
Goody67 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:21 am
I have read posts claiming that the Nazis were the best thing for Europe such as when Trolljegeren wrote: < snip >
I remember the exchange well LOL. I've been reading there a bit more lately than usual partly to see how they deal with your challenge.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:21 am
I also replied to NSDAP:
A real modern-day Nazi would idolise the extermination of the Jews, not deny it.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... ny#p132904
Exactly.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:21 am
What are your experiences with the user been-there? He is not the sharpest tool in the shed and has a habit of just copying and pasting BS.
I had some, for then, epic "debates" with him in 2014 IIRC - on Wannsee, on the criminal orders and open-air shootings, on what I called WUF. Two of Rodoh's still-active threads were among those debates - both dealing with WUF: samuel Untermeyer - origins of a myth, call for a war! (with Untermyer's name misspelled) and International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 1939?.

Been-there - here comes an ad hominem, sorry! - makes up for his not being the sharpest tool in the drawer with his obnoxious delusions of competence. His real name is Chris Crookes - he wrote a "coming out" piece for Smith's Report in 2012 (reprinted here). He's a British ex-pat living in Sweden.
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Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:21 am
One thing I find funny is that many of those that preach Nazism on RODOH would have been sent to the concentration camps. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Gord » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:53 am

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Balmoral95 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 1:12 am

Been-there - here comes an ad hominem, sorry! - makes up for his not being the sharpest tool in the drawer with his obnoxious delusions of competence. His real name is Chris Crookes - he wrote a "coming out" piece for Smith's Report in 2012 (reprinted here).

Thanks for re-posting; had forgotten about that.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Oct 13, 2018 6:58 am

Goody67 wrote:
Fri Oct 12, 2018 11:38 pm
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The Nazis lost so much power in the end that they even formed the Volkssturm ("people's storm") which consisted of many inexperienced Germans between the ages 16-60 that were not already serving in another military unit.
IIRC, the older ones claimed to be the most valuable ones of all the fighting forces, what with the silver in (what was left of) their hair and the gold in their teeth.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:15 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:38 am
He claims to be German and IIRC to be part of some revived SA groupuscle.
I think it is obvious to anyone that he is not a German. Indeed, for some strange reason he thinks that the Nazi Party still exists and that one day loads of people are going to join the imaginary SA that exists today. :D
My experience with them is that they are, on the whole, deeply anti-Semitic. To me they are less sad than bitter, futile misfits.
I agree with you. Another funny thing is that they don't even know their own beliefs. For example, NSDAP claims he does not hate the Jews.

He posted:
There is a fact.
We do not hate Juden. They hate us. In simplistic terms you can imagine say a black kid who is treated OK at school, but is so inculcated with his own world view he starts hitting other kids... they repel as a natural consequence, he then claims they are racist.
We have seen this time and time again, that for political reasons, scenarios are set up to compromise law enforcement where on the spot decisions are are impossible to make correctly. One issue is solved them immediately another scenario develop and it is escalating. This is acting and they love it. This is politically trolling
The Secret Police understand this. (we are only observers and have no authority, except that we can prosecute anyone as civilians. This how the Australian Police used to work) The issue is, that there are genuine people of colour who need help, love and aspirations. What we see are the bullies who will put those people down. Examples are Al Queda and ISIS and multi variate gangs in the world. Despite the media, perhaps they are fighting for the same cause. Your thoughts appreciated.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 50#p126783

His idol Hitler would not agree with him, for example:
Since we are socialists, we must necessarily also be antisemites because we want to fight against the very opposite: materialism and mammonism… How can you not be an antisemite, being a socialist!
Adolf Hitler, Why We Are Anti-Semites, 1920
We are going to destroy the Jews. They are not going to get away with what they did on 9 November 1918. The day of reckoning has come.
Hitler to the Czechoslovakian Foreign Minister in January 1939
For example, here is a 1999 news piece, from the Bergen (New Jersey) Record on the esteemed FP Berg.
Well that says enough about the guy. I could tell straightaway by his first replies what he was like as a person. Yet, he still thinks he can convince people that the Nazis did not gas people.
I remember the exchange well LOL. I've been reading there a bit more lately than usual partly to see how they deal with your challenge.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

He should think about being a comedian!
I had some, for then, epic "debates" with him in 2014 IIRC - on Wannsee, on the criminal orders and open-air shootings, on what I called WUF. Two of Rodoh's still-active threads were among those debates - both dealing with WUF: samuel Untermeyer - origins of a myth, call for a war! (with Untermyer's name misspelled) and International Jewry? What was that prior to and after 1939?.

Been-there - here comes an ad hominem, sorry! - makes up for his not being the sharpest tool in the drawer with his obnoxious delusions of competence. His real name is Chris Crookes - he wrote a "coming out" piece for Smith's Report in 2012 (reprinted here). He's a British ex-pat living in Sweden.
He hasn't replied to me yet.

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 50#p132856

I wonder why he has the tendency to use different fronts and colours. Does he think it makes his posts more believable or something? :lol: He reminds me of the Stormfront user kazan188.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:22 am

Another thing that I keep reading from the Nazis on RODOH is that because the Nazis considered the Slavs to be Aryans then that proves they were not anti-Slavic. :lol: No it does not, the Nazis even discriminated against ethnic Germans, the Nordic Germans were considered racially superior to the non-Nordic Germans. Many of the first victims of the Third Reich were those classified as Aryans but were simply political enemies.

Although Poles were considered to be Aryans and outside of the ghettos the Poles were separated from the Jews via the 'Aryan side', Polish men that had sexual relations with German women were publicly hanged. Nazi propaganda urged the Germans to avoid any friendly relations with the Poles, never mind sexual relations.

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Caption reads: ”One should not forget to keep the required distance during the utilisation of Polish people in industry and farming. Only Germans should be company at your dinner table!”

The Verein für das Deutschtum im Ausland (Association for Germanness abroad) issued this propaganda:

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Our Statement Regarding the Question of the Poles within the Reich

The Reichsführer SS and Chief of the German Police has decreed by order of Reichsmarschall Göring and others, that all male and female workers of Polish descent are at all times bound to visibly display on the right hand side of the chest on each piece of clothing the cloth badge pictured on the right in its actual size. The badge is to be permanently sown on.



The German people experience today the formation of its Volksreich (idea of having all German speaking people within the boundaries of one country) and realize that in future there will be foreign elements within its lebensraum (space to live). It is evident that the use of Polish workers on the land and in the factories in the whole Reich has led to some questions arising regarding national identity. The Volksreich can only last forever, if every German acts conscious of his nationality and if he can cope with all these questions by himself. Laws can do no more than provide rules that support coexistence with the non-Germans. Most important of all is the intuitive, confident attitude of each individual. It is therefore of the utmost importance to alert the whole nation to the dangers which arise when coexisting with non-Germans.

Therefore it is necessary to take every opportunity to enlighten and to keep pointing out the atrocities that the Polish people committed towards our ethnic Germans as well as to ask for caution towards the Polish workers.

German people! Never forget that it was the atrocities of the Polish that forced the Führer to protect our German people with his armed forces.

September 1939 claimed the lives of 58,000 ethnic Germans in Poland. There is no atrocity which was not committed during this time: Withholding food for days, stick blows, blows with rifle butts, executions without reason, blinding of people and rape. German people were caused suffering in Polish prisons which had to be thought up by sub-humans with animalistic traits. Men, women and children, defenceless old and sick people were tortured to death during their forced removal. A young person was doused with petrol and burnt in an oven, a locomotive drove into the back of a carriage full of displaced people. There are countless examples of this kind.

Members of that nation have come here as farm workers and factory workers and as prisoners of war, because their manpower must not be wasted and must therefore be used for the construction of the Reich. Anyone, who has dealings with them in an official or professional capacity, must realize that the hatred of the Poles is stronger today than ever and that the Poles have much more experience in the Volkstumskampf (ethnic struggle) than the Germans and that they still believe in building a new, larger Poland with the aid of the enemy powers.

The submissiveness shown by Poles towards Germans is deceitful. Their friendly manner is put on. Caution should be exercised everywhere, so as not to abet the banding together of Poles and possible spy activity.

There is no common ground whatsoever between Germans and Poles.

German Citizen, be proud and remember what the Polish people did to you! If someone approaches you and tells you his Pole was a decent person, retort like this: Nowadays everyone knows a decent Pole, like everyone used to know a decent Jew!

The German Volksgemeinschaft (community of the people) is at stake:

Fellow German, be especially careful not to establish relations due to the shared religion within the areas which are mainly Catholic. It is wrong to assume that the Poles who constantly greet others with: “Praised be Jesus Christ” are decent people and to reply with: “For ever and ever, amen.”

German Citizen! The Pole is never your comrade!

His position is below that of any fellow German on your farm or in your factory. Be just, as you always are as a German, but be constantly aware that you are a member of the Herrenvolk (the master race). The German army is fighting for peace in Europe. You, Fellow German, are responsible for peace in the new, larger Germany and you have to win every nationality-related trial of strength, which is determined by the people of different nationalities living together.

Volksbund für das Deutschtum im Ausland (Association for 'Germanness' abroad)
Gauverband Danzig Westpreußen (Association of the “shire or county”, Gdansk, West Prussia)
Nazi propaganda told the Germans:
Maintain the purity of German blood! That applies to both men and women! Just as it is considered the greatest disgrace to become involved with a Jew, any German engaging in intimate relations with a Polish male or female is guilty of sinful behavior. Despise the bestial urges of this race! Be racially conscious and protect your children. Otherwise you will forfeit your greatest asset: your honor!
In October 1939, a directive stated:
It must become clear to everybody in Germany, even to the last milkmaid, that Polishness is equal to subhumanity. Poles, Jews and Gypsies are on the same inferior level. This must be clearly outlined [...] until every citizen of Germany has it encoded in his subconsciousness that every Pole, whether a worker or intellectual, should be treated like vermin.
The fact that the Poles were considered to be Aryans made absolutely no difference. The Nazis regarded the Poles as racially inferior to the Germans. It is ironic that on at least two occasions the Poles were given as an example of people of "related blood" to the Germans.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:29 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:15 am
I think it is obvious to anyone that he is not a German.
Someone else has said the same.
Goody67 wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 7:15 am
NSDAP claims he does not hate the Jews.
IIRC he once posted here that some of his best comrades are Jews. LOL

Not only does he not know his own beliefs, he is woefully ignorant of the basic history of the country he claims to be from.
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Adolf Hitler, Why We Are Anti-Semites, 1920
At Rodoh 1.0, there used to come faux outrage from the deniers when anyone called the Nazis anti-Semites. It was pretty funny, replying to them with the Nazis' own words.
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We are going to destroy the Jews. They are not going to get away with what they did on 9 November 1918. The day of reckoning has come.
"Day of reckoning" reminds me to mention Charles Traynor, who used to call himself Mr Albert Fish (Fish was a notorious American serial killer). As Fish he once threatened me and another Rodoh member with a reckoning via "the day of the rope." He applauded the attempted assassination of US congressperson Gabby Giffords in Arizona and even the death in that shooting of a 9 year girl (because she was already a brainwashed liberal). You just know he also touted Brevik. He's most likely the moderator Depth Check as well. Along with his repellent characteristics, he is unintentionally comical - a farcical parody of what a hard-ass Nazi should be like, in his imagination. In something like 2008 he said he was traveling to Auschwitz to do research for an exposé that would once and for all bring down the hoax. It became known as The Fish Reporr. I told him that it would be hard for him to stay undercover wearing a clown suit, and another user named k0nsl (a techie, get it?) tried to get me suspended for mocking Fish. This effort failed (I'd only been posting there a short while at the time). From time to time, for a few years, Fish visited Poland with his mates, drank beer, made derogatory observations about the country, ogled waitresses, and brought shame to himself and his droogs. The Fish Reporr has yet to be produced, as you would guess.
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Sat Oct 13, 2018 5:30 pm

Scott Smith also rambles on and on about a “Day of Reckoning.”

Maybe we will get the Fish Reporr the same time Krege releases his groundbreaking report on Treblinka?
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:24 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Sat Oct 13, 2018 12:29 pm
Someone else has said the same.
NSDAP posted:
I am a German Russian and have no issues with race, just attitude. Race and genetics were not fully understood 90 years ago and some incorrect thoughts were formulated on bad date. A bit like the US did on Iraq with their intelligence reports of weapons of mass destruction.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 70#p129440

A neo-Nazi that is a "German Russian". Oh, the sweet irony! :lol: What an absolute idiot.
IIRC he once posted here that some of his best comrades are Jews. LOL
I think he needs to get some medical help.
At Rodoh 1.0, there used to come faux outrage from the deniers when anyone called the Nazis anti-Semites. It was pretty funny, replying to them with the Nazis' own words.
Another tactic is that when represented with evidence from the Nazis' own words, the evidence is considered to be either altered or faked.

For example, I posted https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 20#p132678 and Huntinger replied:
Your quotes are out of context in in most cases fabrications.
The Goebbels diary was in Soviet hands and no doubt like all other things was either altered or faked.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 20#p132681

been-there replied on the thread "Nazi attitudes towards the Slavs." on RODOH and used a quote which I copied and pasted into Google and strangely the Stormfront user kazan188 posted it. I think the two accounts been-there and kazan188 are the same person since both accounts post the same BS and use an identical way of posting e.g font, size of text, etc.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:26 pm

I posted:
The idea that the Nazis were the "the only force that could protect Europe" is laughable, considering they intended to destroy various homogeneous ethnic groups of Europe and have small wars in the East with the hope of gaining more territory.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 40#p132855

Huntinger replied:
Who else was there to stop the communists? The Germans did what the US attempted years later but in the end both failed.
Germany was trying to get the land back with the ethnic German enclaves but also had to defeat the Soviet Union: this would have happened in all probability if it were not for the French and Poms declaring war on the Reich. Germany was just a mirror to the Russian attitude to Europe which was entirely political: with soldiers this quickly becomes personal in life and death situations.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 40#p133002

Goodness me, haha!

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Post by Statistical Mechanic » Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:31 pm

That's really interesting about been-there possibly being a Stormfront poster.

On forgeries, we used to keep an IFWF list (a list of denier forgery claims - the point being that any document included is so incriminating that, for deniers, "It's Forged or We're {!#%@}." I think there's a thread in here on the list - I'll try digging it up. The forgeries do proliferate, as they run into troublesome sources; a member here, Monstrous, was an ace at claiming new forgeries.
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Post by Goody67 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:40 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Sun Oct 14, 2018 6:31 pm
That's really interesting about been-there possibly being a Stormfront poster.

On forgeries, we used to keep an IFWF list (a list of denier forgery claims - the point being that any document included is so incriminating that, for deniers, "It's Forged or We're {!#%@}." I think there's a thread in here on the list - I'll try digging it up. The forgeries do proliferate, as they run into troublesome sources; a member here, Monstrous, was an ace at claiming new forgeries.
If you use Google and compare kazan188's posts and been-there's post you will understand straightaway what I mean.

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Post by Goody67 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 4:55 pm

According to Friedrich Paul Berg:
The Germans after September 1939 were more than justified to expel Poles from homes where Germans had lived previously and from where the Germans had been expelled earlier by the Poles. 1-1/2 million Germans had been expelled after WW1 from the so-called "polish Corridor." Can Goody67 not understand that? Of course, not.

Also, Hitler had never agreed to let the Poles take Danzig--not in 1938 at Munich nor at any other time. That would have been like agreeing that the Poles had some right to take Berlin as well--cookoo! Danzig did NOT belong to Poland to begin with.

Goody67 is anti-German racist cookoo like so many other Polish "Slavs." They have a serious anti-German "attitude" problem just like Goody67. Their anti-German insanity is epitomized by the Holocaust hoax which is as Polish as it is Jewish.
https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 50#p133029

The first paragraph clearly gives an insight into the mind of a Nazi apologist. He's another wannabe German that thinks the Germans were justified in everything they did during WW2.

The Germans had been persecuting and taking the lands from the Poles for centuries.

Even Danzig was originally Polish:
Kingdom of Poland 997–1227
Duchy of Pomerelia 1227–1294
Kingdom of Poland 1294–1308
Teutonic Order 1308–1454
Kingdom of Poland 1466–1569
Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth 1569–1793
Kingdom of Prussia 1793–1807
Free City of Danzig 1807–1814
Kingdom of Prussia 1814–1871
German Empire 1871–1918
Weimar Germany 1918–1920
Free City of Danzig 1920–1939
Third Reich 1939–1945
People's Republic of Poland 1945–1989
Republic of Poland 1989–present
Berg clearly hasn't read much about the State of the Teutonic Order.

He clearly cannot comprehend basic text, I never even claimed what he was allegedly trying to refute. Danzig and the Sudetenland were two completely opposite disputes and territories.

The last paragraph is the most revealing - anyone who points out the Nazis' intentions for Eastern Europe is considered to be anti-German and in this case I'm allegedly a Polish Slav that is propagating anti-German propaganda and the Holocaust.

I wonder how many people he has convinced that the Nazis never killed anyone using gas.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Statistical Mechanic » Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:10 pm

Yeah, I think that's the other answer to your question in the thread title, the Poles had it coming for being a country, the Soviets had it coming for being Jewish-Bolsheviks - and other people in the East were either in the way, usurpers, or longed to live under German rule.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:13 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:10 pm
Yeah, I think that's the other answer to your question in the thread title, the Poles had it coming for being a country, the Soviets had it coming for being Jewish-Bolsheviks - and other people in the East were either in the way, usurpers, or longed to live under German rule.
rollo the ganger believes:
Czechoslovakia: Hitler never invaded a nation called "Czechoslovakia". It no longer existed. With the Slovaks gone, the Sudeten Germans gone and virtually cut off from the rest of the world and being feasted on by the littler nations around it the Czechs felt it had no choice but to approach the Germans and become a protectorate. Contrary to the Allied version of events the affair was not coerced.
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BS. Czechoslovakia still existed and the Second Czechoslvak Republic was called the "Czech-Slovak Republic". Hitler instructed the Wehrmacht in March 1939 to invade the remainder of Czechoslovakia and proclaimed from the Prague Castle the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. The aftermath was brutal, thousands were killed in the concentration camps.

Hitler had often managed to get away with his annexation of territories because he described his actions as pan-German. This was different, seven millions Czechs were now under Nazi rule. Hitler proclaimed that "Bohemia and Moravia have for thousands of years belonged to the Lebensraum of the German people". Hitler now quite openly told the world that he was not only interested in annexing ethnic German territories. With Czechoslovakia out of the way, he was now hell bent on war with Poland.
I never knew that being told that your country is going to be invaded is one form of an approach. :lol:

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Jeffk 1970 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:57 pm

Goody67 wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:13 pm


rollo the ganger believes:
Czechoslovakia: Hitler never invaded a nation called "Czechoslovakia". It no longer existed. With the Slovaks gone, the Sudeten Germans gone and virtually cut off from the rest of the world and being feasted on by the littler nations around it the Czechs felt it had no choice but to approach the Germans and become a protectorate. Contrary to the Allied version of events the affair was not coerced.
I replied:
BS. Czechoslovakia still existed and the Second Czechoslvak Republic was called the "Czech-Slovak Republic". Hitler instructed the Wehrmacht in March 1939 to invade the remainder of Czechoslovakia and proclaimed from the Prague Castle the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. The aftermath was brutal, thousands were killed in the concentration camps.

Hitler had often managed to get away with his annexation of territories because he described his actions as pan-German. This was different, seven millions Czechs were now under Nazi rule. Hitler proclaimed that "Bohemia and Moravia have for thousands of years belonged to the Lebensraum of the German people". Hitler now quite openly told the world that he was not only interested in annexing ethnic German territories. With Czechoslovakia out of the way, he was now hell bent on war with Poland.
I never knew that being told that your country is going to be invaded is one form of an approach. :lol:

In case you haven’t noticed rollo is a moron.

Britain and France never agreed as part of the Munich Agreement to give away Czechoslovakia. The parties agreed to set borders and Germany never bothered (for obvious reasons) to cooperate in this.

The Germans actively worked to destabilize what was left of Czecho-Slovakia. So much so Hacha went to work out an agreement and Hitler bullied him. Hacha actually fainted and had to be revived by Hitler’s resident quack. Hitler was determined to invade regardless but the agreement made it possible for Germany to occupy without bloodshed.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:16 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
Mon Oct 15, 2018 11:57 pm
In case you haven’t noticed rollo is a moron.
I am having fun embarrassing him on the RODOH forum at the moment.

https://rodoh.info/forum/viewtopic.php?p=133049#p133050
Britain and France never agreed as part of the Munich Agreement to give away Czechoslovakia. The parties agreed to set borders and Germany never bothered (for obvious reasons) to cooperate in this.
You are right. Hitler went back on his word about the Sudetenland being his last territorial demand on two occasions before the invasion of Poland.
The Germans actively worked to destabilize what was left of Czecho-Slovakia. So much so Hacha went to work out an agreement and Hitler bullied him. Hacha actually fainted and had to be revived by Hitler’s resident quack. Hitler was determined to invade regardless but the agreement made it possible for Germany to occupy without bloodshed.
Hitler even had a plan for war with Czechoslovakia and regarded the foreign powers with utter contempt. Hitler should have been stopped in 1938, by 1939 it became obvious to everyone that he was hell bent on war with Poland. Hitler also even said that the primary objective of invading Poland was not Danzig but Lebensraum in the East.

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by landrew » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:28 am

The Nazis kidnapped thousands of blonde Slavic children and took them back to Germany for adoption.
Such was the state of Nazi science that one recessive pigment gene was a marker for the master race.
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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Goody67 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:18 am

landrew wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:28 am
The Nazis kidnapped thousands of blonde Slavic children and took them back to Germany for adoption.
Such was the state of Nazi science that one recessive pigment gene was a marker for the master race.
https://global.handelsblatt.com/politic ... any-938033
The Nazis often used pseudoscience to justify their ideas and actions.

Hans Frank often assumed that when he saw a little boy or girl in Poland that he or she was a German, he was genuinely shocked at how many Poles were Nordic.

The Nazis knew there was no such thing as an Aryan race, yet they still continued to use it for propaganda purposes.

The Nuremberg Laws stated that those of "related blood" to the Germans could be Reich citizens and even used Poles as an example! Yet, the concept of 'related blood' was never even defined. Terms like 'related blood', 'German blood', 'Aryan', 'Jew', 'non-Aryan' and so forth all remained undefined and were extremely problematic. Even the Germans were described as being a mixture of races (Nordic, Alpine, etc).

During WW2 Poles were hanged for having sexual relations with German women yet there was an exception - if Himmler or someone else considered a Pole to be racially valuable and was suitable to be Germanised then he survived, if not then he was hanged.

Thousands of Polish children died because of the Nazis and their policies of Germanising the East.

Hitler and Himmler created requirements that they couldn't even pass themselves! Hitler did not know for certain who his grandfather was and Himmler could not trace his family back to the demands of the SS and was the complete opposite of the Nordic propaganda image.

Joachim Fest in his biography Hitler:
The indulgence normally accorded to a man's origins is out of place in the case of Adolf Hitler, who made documentary proof of Aryan ancestry a matter of life and death for millions of people but himself possessed no such document. He did not know who his grandfather was. Intensive research into his origins, accounts of which have been distorted by propagandist legends and which are in any case confused and murky, has failed so far to produce a clear picture. National Socialist versions skimmed over the facts and emphasized, for example, that the population of the so-called Waldviertel, from which Hitler came, had been 'tribally German since the Migration of the Peoples', or more generally, that Hitler had 'absorbed the powerful forces of this German granite landscape into his blood through his father'.
Volker Ulrich in his new biography Hitler: Volume I: Ascent 1889–1939 wrote:
Whatever the truth may be, the identity of Adolf Hitler’s paternal grandfather remains uncertain. It is hard to overlook the irony that the man who would later demand that all Germans prove their "Aryan origins" was himself incapable of demonstrating his own—no matter how much the Führer’s official genealogy tried to convey the contrary impression. On 12 March 1932, one day before the election that pitted Hitler against Hindenburg for the office of Reich president, the Bayerischer Kurier newspaper remarked how strange it was that “the talkative Adolf Hitler is so silent about his ancestors and about how far back his family name goes.” A short while before, the Viennese newspaper the Wiener Sonn- und Montagszeitung had sensationally revealed that Hitler’s father had actually been called “Schücklgruber” (sic) and that the name had been changed for inheritance purposes.

Rumours that there were Jews in Hitler’s family have no proven foundation. They sprang up in the early 1920s, and after the Second World War they seemed to be supported by a reliable source. In his memoirs, written before the notorious general governor of occupied Poland was executed in Nuremberg in 1946, Hans Frank wrote that Hitler’s paternal grandfather had been a Jewish merchant in Graz named Frankenberger, in whose household Marie Anna Schicklgruber had worked. But subsequent research revealed that no Jewish family by that name lived at the time in either Graz or indeed the entire Steiermark region. There is no evidence that Hitler ever took speculations about his supposed Jewish grandfather seriously—to say nothing of feeling threatened by them.
An excellent reference to find out about Himmler and his ridiculous theories is Peter Longerich's book Himmler: A Life. The man was not an intellectual like Goebbels, but he had determination and was very well organised.

Himmler declared that there would be no people with Slavic or Mongoloid features in the SS, yet he himself looked like a Mongoloid:

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Other Nazis mocked Himmler, Albert Forster in a discussion with Richard Hildebrandt Forster scoffed, "if I looked like Himmler, I wouldn't talk about race".

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Re: Why do modern-day Nazis deny that the Nazis hated the Slavs?

Post by Balmoral95 » Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:28 am

>"Himmler declared that there would be no people with Slavic or Mongoloid features in the SS, yet he himself looked like a Mongoloid"

You want Mongoloid-looking, check out daughter Gudrun....

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