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Written proof from Hitler?

Postby iwh » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:44 am

Hi all....

Over the years Holocaust Deniers have always prattled on about there being no written order from Hitler regarding the implementation of the Final Solution sometime in July/August 1941. The implication here is that Hitler signed his name to every major political, military and social decision taken from 1933 to 1945.

The aim of this post is to create a handy list of those events that did NOT have written authorisation from Adolf Hitler.

So far I have:

The declaration of war against the USA
The creation of the Concentration camp system.

...to name a couple.

Please feel free to add any more.

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:43 am

AFAIK, top of mind:
- 1933 Jewish boycott
- Night of the Long Knives
- Kristallnacht
- the Nisko plan
- ghetto creation
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby iwh » Fri Oct 06, 2017 11:50 am

here is a cracker I found on the Wanssee thread from Nick Terry:

In September 1940, for example, Brandt and Bouhler obtained Hitler’s verbal authorization for extralegal abortions. This was implemented by the RMdI two months later. A year later, the Reich Ministry of Justice requested a meeting with the RMdI and the Führer ’s Office to clarify Hitler’s authorization. This was held on November 26, 19 41. The Ministry noted afterwards that “The Führer ’s Office is of the opinion that it is not the right time to ask the Führer to put the authorization in writing. It is certain that the Führer stands by this authorization.” We thus have documen tary proof that Hitler’s Office was protecting the Führer from having to issue written orders on subjects that were socially and politically controversial during the period when the extermination of the Jews was being decided. Extermination would clearly have fallen into that category of subject.


Source: HC critique, page 92, citing Götz Aly, Peter Chroust and Christian Pross, Cleansing the Fatherland. Nazi Medicine and Racial Hygiene. London and Baltimore, 1994, p.54, citing Geheimerlass des Reichsministerium des Inneren , 19.11.40, and Reichsjustizministerium note , 26.11.41, both held in BA R 22/5008

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:12 pm

We should add in the (not directly Hitler related) scolding Lohse received from Berlin in late 1941 (18 December) in reply to correspondence aimed at clarifying central policy on Jewish liquidation actions in the Ostland: "Clarification of the Jewish question should be achieved through verbal discussion."
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Statistical Mechanic wrote:AFAIK, top of mind:
- 1933 Jewish boycott
- Night of the Long Knives
- Kristallnacht
- the Nisko plan
- ghetto creation


The Jewish boycott was not a law, and neither was the Night of the Long knives. And as everyone knows KristallNacht was a spontaneous popular reaction to the murder of a German diplomat ;)
Seriously, the "Hitler's Order" gambit is really the expression of ignorance by Deniers to how things were going in Nazi Germany.
Actually the question is simple: why searching for an order that was not needed?

For example, the Nikso Plan is indeed backed by a general order given by Hitler, a decree of October 39 making Himmler the
Reichskommissar für die Festigung deutschen Volkstums (RKF) which gave Himmler full power to reorganize the demographics of the newly conquered territories in the East, starting with Poland.
The powers given to Himmler were so extensive that there no need further Hitler's orders.
This decree was what gave Himmler the authority to expel the Jews from the Warthegau to the GG, and any other movement of undesirable populations. (quite an essential chapter in the Final Solution). So this includes the Nikso Plan.

The creation of Ghetto probably also, although partly, as IIRC, those fell under the jurisdiction of the "civilian administrations", which should not be underestimated. Those Nazis Gauleiters in the East like Forster in East Prussia or Reichsstatthalter like Greiser enjoyed a great latitude in implementing their own policies, including murders of Jews.

In the same logic, Hitler issued a second "Hitler's Befehl" ( also around 39-early 40). This Fuhrer Befehl gave Himmler all powers "to prepare the political administration and exploitation of those territories, as chief of Police. "
This was like a check in blanc that allowed the formation of the EG and plain murders. This same order will be extended for the East territories conquered after the launch of Barbarossa.

Given those circumstances - i should have mentioned the extra-legal status of the eastern territories, there was just no need for a official order from Hitler. Himmler had been given the "legal" authority to implement the Final Solution before it even started, as long as it was taking place in those territories.
None of it was "legal" even within Nazi Germany, so it would nor could have been passed through the normal "legal" circuit.

Meanwhile, as a last remark, Himmler's authority as RKF would be extended to western Europe by February 42 (IIRC), which might explain why the deportation started later over there.

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 06, 2017 7:53 pm

Balsamo wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:AFAIK, top of mind:
- 1933 Jewish boycott
- Night of the Long Knives
- Kristallnacht
- the Nisko plan
- ghetto creation


The Jewish boycott was not a law, and neither was the Night of the Long knives. < etc >

not following this as it seems unrelated to the OP
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Balsamo » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:52 pm

This was ironic... hence my ;) ... but then, probably not funny... sorry

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:54 pm

LOL I wondered if it were, and, actually, re-reading it in that light, it is funny :)
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Denying-History » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:26 pm

If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field, th sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain. On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for the future.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch15.html
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Denying-History wrote:If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field, th sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain. On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for the future.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch15.html


Thanks for the link,
but then, why Mein Kampf ?
He was not thinking of any final solution or Zyclon B or anything like that when writing it.

This passage is quite fundamental in expressing the deadly form of Antisemitism that developed after world war I, it is an allusion to the "stab in the back" theory. The poison gas here is the one that killed hundreds of thousands of soldiers. But indeed, this belief will be essential in the development of the Final Solution, along with others.

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Balsamo wrote:
Denying-History wrote:If at the beginning of the War and during the War twelve or fifteen thousand of these Hebrew corrupters of the people had been held under poison gas, as happened to hundreds of thousands of our very best German workers in the field, th sacrifice of millions at the front would not have been in vain. On the contrary: twelve thousand scoundrels eliminated in time might have saved the lives of a million real Germans, valuable for the future.

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch15.html


Thanks for the link,
but then, why Mein Kampf ?
He was not thinking of any final solution or Zyclon B or anything like that when writing it.

This passage is quite fundamental in expressing the deadly form of Antisemitism that developed after world war I, it is an allusion to the "stab in the back" theory. The poison gas here is the one that killed hundreds of thousands of soldiers. But indeed, this belief will be essential in the development of the Final Solution, along with others.


Hitler always had an obsession with gas, it's just to show he toyed with the idea.
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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Balmoral95 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:28 am

I find that rather far-fetched.

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Postby Denying-History » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:36 am

Eh, depends. If you read the quote is shows he tinkered with the idea of using gas against Jews in Mein Kampf. He toyed with the concept of murdering's Jews quite a lot like in 1922 he advocated for their extermination. The Holocaust wasn't as the internationalists say it happened, but the point stands that the quote above and many more show you whos order it was.
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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby nickterry » Sat Oct 07, 2017 9:01 am

Balsamo wrote:
Statistical Mechanic wrote:AFAIK, top of mind:
- 1933 Jewish boycott
- Night of the Long Knives
- Kristallnacht
- the Nisko plan
- ghetto creation


The Jewish boycott was not a law, and neither was the Night of the Long knives. And as everyone knows KristallNacht was a spontaneous popular reaction to the murder of a German diplomat ;)
Seriously, the "Hitler's Order" gambit is really the expression of ignorance by Deniers to how things were going in Nazi Germany.
Actually the question is simple: why searching for an order that was not needed?

For example, the Nikso Plan is indeed backed by a general order given by Hitler, a decree of October 39 making Himmler the
Reichskommissar für die Festigung deutschen Volkstums (RKF) which gave Himmler full power to reorganize the demographics of the newly conquered territories in the East, starting with Poland.
The powers given to Himmler were so extensive that there no need further Hitler's orders.
This decree was what gave Himmler the authority to expel the Jews from the Warthegau to the GG, and any other movement of undesirable populations. (quite an essential chapter in the Final Solution). So this includes the Nikso Plan.

The creation of Ghetto probably also, although partly, as IIRC, those fell under the jurisdiction of the "civilian administrations", which should not be underestimated. Those Nazis Gauleiters in the East like Forster in East Prussia or Reichsstatthalter like Greiser enjoyed a great latitude in implementing their own policies, including murders of Jews.

In the same logic, Hitler issued a second "Hitler's Befehl" ( also around 39-early 40). This Fuhrer Befehl gave Himmler all powers "to prepare the political administration and exploitation of those territories, as chief of Police. "
This was like a check in blanc that allowed the formation of the EG and plain murders. This same order will be extended for the East territories conquered after the launch of Barbarossa.

Given those circumstances - i should have mentioned the extra-legal status of the eastern territories, there was just no need for a official order from Hitler. Himmler had been given the "legal" authority to implement the Final Solution before it even started, as long as it was taking place in those territories.
None of it was "legal" even within Nazi Germany, so it would nor could have been passed through the normal "legal" circuit.

Meanwhile, as a last remark, Himmler's authority as RKF would be extended to western Europe by February 42 (IIRC), which might explain why the deportation started later over there.


Martin Moll's collection of 'Fuehrer-Erlasse' reproduces the majority of Hitler's signed orders, and indeed many concern the delegation of authority. A good example would be the 17 July 1941 decree on Himmler's police powers in the occupied Soviet territories, issued the day after the famous meeting of July 16 1941 with Rosenberg and Hitler on the same issue, which Himmler did not attend. The SS/Police were already in the east cooperating with the military, but at this time, there were as yet no civilian-administered territories - that began only on 1 August 1941, with Galicia, Bialystok and Lithuania leaving the military occupation zone. How Himmler interpreted his 'police powers' was of course up to him. The RKF powers were also as Balsamo mentioned extended in 1941 to the Ostministerium regions.

It also took a Fuehrer-Erlass to authorise the appointment of an HSSPF in military-administered France, in IIRC May 1942. While an HSSPF wasn't necessarily needed - Belgium did without one until 1944, again IIRC - the timing is quite interesting.

Another kind of Fuehrer order are orders signed by ministerial-rank leaders or very senior officials/generals that start by saying that the Fuehrer has ordered xyz. A good example is the OKW order to evacuate the population of the Crimea, given in mid-1942, which references a Hitler decision; the plan ran aground against practicalities and opposition, so it was not carried out.

A great many tactical and operational military orders referenced a Hitler decision, i.e. something was said in a Lagebesprechung and translated into an order for the army groups/armies at the front by OKH, and the operations section would then invoke the Fuehrer's name.

Himmler sometimes would put down in writing that Hitler had tasked him with something, in general correspondence, a salient example is Himmler to Berger, 28 July 1942, when Himmler says that Hitler had tasked him with resettling all Jews in the occupied eastern territories. Here we see a verbal order being referenced in writing. Obviously, the Posen speech similarly refers back to an earlier verbal directive.

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sat Oct 07, 2017 2:49 pm

I haven't had time to think of anything to contribute but this is my comment to follow this thread. Carry on.

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Postby Balsamo » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:18 pm

Denying-History wrote:Eh, depends. If you read the quote is shows he tinkered with the idea of using gas against Jews in Mein Kampf. He toyed with the concept of murdering's Jews quite a lot like in 1922 he advocated for their extermination. The Holocaust wasn't as the internationalists say it happened, but the point stands that the quote above and many more show you whos order it was.


I guess you meant "intentionalists", right?

I realize it is tempting to see in this quote an allusion to what will eventually happen, but as Balmoral remarked, it is a bit far-fetched.
In the context of the quote: the evil Hebrew corrupters are those "resonsible" for WW1, and, in Hitler's mind, should have been exposed to the same ordeal that they have supposedly inflicted to the "brave German people". the gas here is not carbon monoxide or zyclon b, but the gas used on the battle field. His elucubration being that had those 10 or 12.000 corrupters been killed, then at least the sacrifice of the "Good Germans" would not have been in vain,- as opposed to the situation as he perceived it, that is broken Germany ruled by the international Jewry - and even that had those corrupters been killed before, there would not have been a world war, no gas used, and no million of "good Germans" dead...
But i agree with you that it can give some clue on what the guy will be capable to do when - in his mind - the catastrophe of WW1 will repeat itself, for the supposedly same reasons.


The concept that Hitler did not give the order is only appealing to crazy Irving who wanted to protect his beloved Dolfy and put all the blame on the Evil Heinrich and his gang; and a few lunatics who conclude "no order, no holocaust", good for them...
There are no direct written order because there were no need for one, that is about it.

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby iwh » Sun Oct 08, 2017 5:23 pm

Thanks for your input guys... A very interesting set of posts here....

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Jeff_36 » Wed Oct 11, 2017 4:18 am

iwh wrote:Hi all....

Over the years Holocaust Deniers have always prattled on about there being no written order from Hitler regarding the implementation of the Final Solution sometime in July/August 1941. The implication here is that Hitler signed his name to every major political, military and social decision taken from 1933 to 1945.

The aim of this post is to create a handy list of those events that did NOT have written authorisation from Adolf Hitler.

So far I have:

The declaration of war against the USA
The creation of the Concentration camp system.

...to name a couple.

Please feel free to add any more.

Cheers.


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But you're still a top bloke.

Off the top of my head:

- GP Ost

- The Zamosc operation

- The Hue Aktion

- Killing of French POWs in 1940

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

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Jeff_36 wrote:
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Lol....I have just been to see "Evita" at the Pheonix theater in London...

Couldn't resist it....

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Wed Oct 11, 2017 10:48 am

I think it's great.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Balmoral95 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 5:26 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:I think it's great.


Seconded... I didn't complain when they put Jackson on my money.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:07 am

LOL it's like an acid flashback, in a way. Jeffk will know what I mean . . . :)
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:57 am

Statistical Mechanic wrote:LOL it's like an acid flashback, in a way. Jeffk will know what I mean . . . :)


I'm not sure I know what you mean....


Spoiler:

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:11 pm

LOL
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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iwh wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Your av leaves much to be desired.



Lol....I have just been to see "Evita" at the Pheonix theater in London...

Couldn't resist it....

;)


Just as an aside, I saw Evita when I was a kid, my dad took me and my mother to go see it. My father wanted to give me some culture to counteract my slide into to rock music. It didn't work but I did like it. My father bought the soundtrack and used to blast it throughout the house on the weekends.

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 12:34 pm

how did a thread on Hitler's orders turn into a discussion of Che, LDS and Evita? LOL
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
iwh wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Your av leaves much to be desired.



Lol....I have just been to see "Evita" at the Pheonix theater in London...

Couldn't resist it....

;)


Just as an aside, I saw Evita when I was a kid, my dad took me and my mother to go see it. My father wanted to give me some culture to counteract my slide into to rock music. It didn't work but I did like it. My father bought the soundtrack and used to blast it throughout the house on the weekends.


Andrew Lloyd Webber?
This is child abuse... :mrgreen:

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:13 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:how did a thread on Hitler's orders turn into a discussion of Che, LDS and Evita? LOL



Sorry, the LSD, er, I mean the Benadryl kicked in.

:lol:

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby iwh » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:13 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:how did a thread on Hitler's orders turn into a discussion of Che, LDS and Evita? LOL


Ooops...my fault!

Sorry

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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Thu Oct 12, 2017 1:15 pm

Statistical Mechanic wrote:... LDS ...

I did receive an inquiry on this: how did Mormonism get into this? :lol:
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

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Jeffk 1970 wrote:
iwh wrote:
Jeff_36 wrote:
Your av leaves much to be desired.



Lol....I have just been to see "Evita" at the Pheonix theater in London...

Couldn't resist it....

;)


Just as an aside, I saw Evita when I was a kid, my dad took me and my mother to go see it. My father wanted to give me some culture to counteract my slide into to rock music. It didn't work but I did like it. My father bought the soundtrack and used to blast it throughout the house on the weekends.


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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:49 pm

I was forced to watch the crappy version with Madonna as Evita.

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:03 am

There was a non-crappy version?
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:16 am

I liked the stage version.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:18 am

Anything with Madonna trying to "act" sucks.

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:19 am

See, now we're drifting further and further from the original topic. I blame Trump.
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Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:20 am

Anything with Lord Lloyd Weber and Tim Rice sucks! I have to admit that Jesus Christ, Superstar made me, er, not receptive to their further endeavors.
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Statistical Mechanic » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:21 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:See, now we're drifting further and further from the original topic. I blame Trump.
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LOL
"World peace is certainly an ideal worth striving for; in Hitler's opinion it will be realizable only when one power, the racially best one, has attained complete and uncontested supremacy. That can then provide a sort of world police, seeing to it at the same time that the most valuable race is guaranteed the necessary living space. And if no other way is open to them, the lower races will have to restrict themselves accordingly."

- Rudolf Hess, letter, 1927

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Balmoral95 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:27 am

I hate musicals ever since being dragged to "The Sound of Music" with Mary Martin. Won't even tell y'all what year that was. :lol:

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Re: Written proof from Hitler?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:48 am

I gained an appreciation for musicals when I was a kid but as I got older I lost that appreciation. By the time I hit my 20's it took female persuasion to get me to see anything like that.....so, because of that "persuasion" I've seen Titanic, Grease II, Beaches and When Harry Met Sally. I actually liked When Harry Met Sally but I resent Beaches to this day. I only saw Beaches because a friend of mine wanted to get in good graces with a girl he liked and I tagged along as an awkard third wheel.


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