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Postby Nikki Nyx » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:06 pm

Poodle wrote:It's time someone explained to me what this thread's actually about. I mean - you don't have to, you know. But if anyone knows, interpretations would be gratefully received.

I think we would have to spend several hours at the pub first.
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:06 pm

Poodle wrote:It's time someone explained to me what this thread's actually about. I mean - you don't have to, you know. But if anyone knows, interpretations would be gratefully received.

I'm clueless. Perhaps the OP can help you?
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:13 pm

Poodle: what do you get when you type from zero to one in the upper Case?

Hmmmmm, looks like a reality cross check to me.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:15 pm

What's an upper case nought look like?

(Waits for it...)
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jul 07, 2017 11:19 pm

Well..........as I understand the concept, nought is often represented by a zero but its not the same concept as the zero symbol as used in the Arabic system. Much like "bow" having the same letters but different meanings from a hair clipping device to shooting an arrow.

I might have nought confused with null though as I have given it zero thought.
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby TJrandom » Sat Jul 08, 2017 12:04 am

shift off... 1234567890-^\
shift on .... !"#$%&'()=~|
lang on ... ぬふあうえおやゆよわほへー

Beat that.... :mrgreen:

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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TJrandom wrote:shift off... 1234567890-^\
shift on .... !"#$%&'()=~|
lang on ... ぬふあうえおやゆよわほへー

Beat that.... :mrgreen:

Hmmm...

shift key off... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
shift key on... ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( )
option key on... ¡ ™ £ ¢ § ˆ ¶ • ª º
shift+option keys on... ⁄ € ‹ › † ̂ ‡ ° · ‚
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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Nikki Nyx wrote:
TJrandom wrote:shift off... 1234567890-^\
shift on .... !"#$%&'()=~|
lang on ... ぬふあうえおやゆよわほへー

Beat that.... :mrgreen:

Hmmm...

shift key off... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
shift key on... ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( )
option key on... ¡ ™ £ ¢ § ˆ ¶ • ª º
shift+option keys on... ⁄ € ‹ › † ̂ ‡ ° · ‚
:mrgreen:


Drat, I don`t see an option key.... :cray:

But I do have lang for foreign words, mirroring lang above... ヌフアウエオヤユヨワホヘー

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby Gord » Sat Jul 08, 2017 9:18 am

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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You people are weird.
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:03 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote:
TJrandom wrote:shift off... 1234567890-^\
shift on .... !"#$%&'()=~|
lang on ... ぬふあうえおやゆよわほへー

Beat that.... :mrgreen:

Hmmm...

shift key off... 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 0
shift key on... ! @ # $ % ^ & * ( )
option key on... ¡ ™ £ ¢ § ˆ ¶ • ª º
shift+option keys on... ⁄ € ‹ › † ̂ ‡ ° · ‚
:mrgreen:


Drat, I don`t see an option key.... :cray:

But I do have lang for foreign words, mirroring lang above... ヌフアウエオヤユヨワホヘー

I'm guessing you don't use a Mac, so you probably have an ALT key instead. I'd have to switch keyboards to get different languages, but I can only read this alphabet, so...
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby Gord » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:42 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:You people are weird.

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Postby Gord » Sat Jul 08, 2017 11:58 pm

Better.
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Gord wrote:Better.

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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Gord wrote:Better.

I used to use "Spetznaz", but Putin complained.

Was that Vlad Putin or Raz Putin?
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I used to use "Spetznaz", but Putin complained.

Was that Vlad Putin or Raz Putin?

Donald John Putin, the love-toy.
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:Better.

I used to use "Spetznaz", but Putin complained.

Was that Vlad Putin or Raz Putin?

Donald John Putin, the love-toy.

Your blow up doll?
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
OlegTheBatty wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:Better.

I used to use "Spetznaz", but Putin complained.

Was that Vlad Putin or Raz Putin?

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Your blow up doll?

I see you don't know T.rump's middle name.
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jul 09, 2017 8:14 pm

I'm watching "Story of China" with Michael Woods. He relates China had the printing press as early as 10th Century but it never caught on as the average newspaper would need 4000 different characters to print.

Talk is how USA is retarded for not going Metric, but (or "and") what is China for keeping their written language that is a hindrance to communication? Seems to me, they should adopt a smaller character set like most others (sic) in the world?

But it gets me back to keyboard............how in the world do people used the standard keyboard to represent 4000 characters? How does anyone "learn" 4000 characters?

........blows my mind. And yet...obviously, China succeeds. A living paradox.........or a wasted opportunity?
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Postby TJrandom » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:54 pm

What? 4,000 is quite low - for a doctor, scientist... For Japanese, I`d guess over 6,000 and maybe as many as 10,000. Over 2,000 just for HS graduation/college admission. Newspapers here are limited to just over 2,000, but other publications are not so limited. The problem with adopting a shorter list is in dealing with homonyms. With only approx. 106 syllables, (again, Japanese) there are lots of homonyms. Without the various kanji you wouldn`t know for sure what is being discussed.
Technology has made it far easier to learn, remember, and use Kanji, so they are here to stay.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:33 pm

Years ago....I almost got attacked by Teenage Ninja Mutant Teens. Three japanese students were lunching at the table next to ours and we got into a conversation. I told them I had just gotten free beers from Mr Sony at a local bar the night before. They were gobsmacked.

Somehow the subject turned to the complexity of the Chinese/Japanese language and I commented that it was interesting that "the language" could be such a hindrance to cultural development..... people having to spend so much time just to learn a language..... available mostly to court eunuchs. They looked at me in amazement.... different from contemplating free beers from Mr Sony.....and in disbelief. Never heard of such a thing as if a more efficient language had never been mentioned. A status quo sort of thing.

One of my favorite memories of Hawaii and Honolulu Main Tourist Area. Mr Sony overheard my conversation in a restaurant extolling the beauty of Japan over the dirt poverty of China. His minion came over and bought beers for the table and pointed to a gray haired man "From Mr Sony." I raised the beer in his direction and said: "Domo arigotto" hoping I wasn't counting to three.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:26 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Mr Sony overheard my conversation in a restaurant extolling the beauty of Japan over the dirt poverty of China. His minion came over and bought beers for the table and pointed to a gray haired man "From Mr Sony." I raised the beer in his direction and said: "Domo arigotto" hoping I wasn't counting to three.

I would've had an incredibly difficult time not automatically adding "Mr. Roboto" to my expression of gratitude. :mrgreen:
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Mr Sony overheard my conversation in a restaurant extolling the beauty of Japan over the dirt poverty of China. His minion came over and bought beers for the table and pointed to a gray haired man "From Mr Sony." I raised the beer in his direction and said: "Domo arigotto" hoping I wasn't counting to three.

I would've had an incredibly difficult time not automatically adding "Mr. Roboto" to my expression of gratitude. :mrgreen:

...Hoping that doesn't translate as "four five six?"
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:56 am

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Mr Sony overheard my conversation in a restaurant extolling the beauty of Japan over the dirt poverty of China. His minion came over and bought beers for the table and pointed to a gray haired man "From Mr Sony." I raised the beer in his direction and said: "Domo arigotto" hoping I wasn't counting to three.

I would've had an incredibly difficult time not automatically adding "Mr. Roboto" to my expression of gratitude. :mrgreen:

...Hoping that doesn't translate as "four five six?"

https://youtu.be/CzzZkkiJMv8
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Postby TJrandom » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:25 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:...that "the language" could be such a hindrance to cultural development..... people having to spend so much time just to learn a language..... available mostly to court eunuchs. They looked at me in amazement....


Indeed they would be gob smacked - since those very years were most likely believed to have been spent in cultural development from their perspective. Language learning is not restricted to any class or group, but available to all. I suspect they were being culturally correct, in not calling bulldust.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:44 am

Well TJ---what/where is the BD? ANY system with 27 elements is going to be easier to master than one with 8000 elements.

Is my MATH wrong????

............................................. and was it culturally correct to call me a fat old white man?
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Well TJ---what/where is the BD? ANY system with 27 elements is going to be easier to master than one with 8000 elements.

Is my MATH wrong????

............................................. and was it culturally correct to call me a fat old white man?


If I understand this post, you equate numbers of squiggles to culture, with the fewer the better. This quite misses the point - that each Kanji has specific meaning, just as English words have meaning. And just as English words can have roots, so too Kanji characters have roots (radicals).

Ease of mastery (even of full words, not just alphabetic characters) has little (nothing?) to do with cultural learning - but rather cultural learning from either an English word, or a Kanji `word` comes more from understanding the history (etymology) of the word, and how it is used in present time.

IMO, it would not have been culturally correct to call you a fat old white man to your face (since it is considered rude to embarrass someone), but quite acceptable to do so behind your back - IF indeed you exhibited attributes in common with that description. For example - if they were college students (low 20s) and you were above 30 at that time - then of course `old`, would be sufficiently correct. This said, in a bar, with beer flowing, and to an obviously ignorant (uninformed) individual, all bets are off on what might be considered culturally inappropriate. Personally, my favorite is to heap praise, knowing full well that my compatriots will understand the meaning.

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:26 am

TJrandom wrote: If I understand this post, you equate numbers of squiggles to culture, with the fewer the better.


How do you get that from "ANY system with 27 elements is going to be easier to master than one with 8000 elements." I am clearly talking about the ability to master a language (written) and be literate. This of course impacts a culture in many different and varied ways. OBVIOUSLY not in what can be achieved by a few that drags the culture with them, but what can be enjoyed more casually by the masses. I don't know.........but assume that the literacy rate in Asian is way below everyone else in the world. 27 to 8000...or perhaps only 3000 symbols for a base line? I would not inflict that on anyone.

TJrandom wrote: This quite misses the point - that each Kanji has specific meaning, just as English words have meaning. And just as English words can have roots, so too Kanji characters have roots (radicals)..
No. That is EXACTLY MY POINT. In Western World.... you only have to learn 27 letters to be able to read. In Asia: you need 8000. Easy vs Hard. I don't know what radicals are.......but they aren't the same thing as root words in English. Is that like combining the symbol for woman and house = harmony but two women under one roof is disharmony?

Which............... "you know"............. if you DON'T KNOW what some symbol means........how do you ever find out? How is a Japanese dictionary "alphabetized" when there is no alphabet. Paging thru a book to get to your particular symbol must be a real pain.

TJrandom wrote: Personally, my favorite is to heap praise, knowing full well that my compatriots will understand the meaning.
I think it was lunch time. I laughed and said: "Yes, very rich." I haven't noticed you praise or condemn much either way. I wouldn't just assume that college kiddies on vacation are stalwart representatives of their culture.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jul 10, 2017 11:45 am

This thread has gone weird.

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TJrandom wrote: If I understand this post, you equate numbers of squiggles to culture, with the fewer the better.


How do you get that from "ANY system with 27 elements is going to be easier to master than one with 8000 elements." I am clearly talking about the ability to master a language (written) and be literate. This of course impacts a culture in many different and varied ways. OBVIOUSLY not in what can be achieved by a few that drags the culture with them, but what can be enjoyed more casually by the masses. I don't know.........but assume that the literacy rate in Asian is way below everyone else in the world. 27 to 8000...or perhaps only 3000 symbols for a base line? I would not inflict that on anyone.

TJrandom wrote: This quite misses the point - that each Kanji has specific meaning, just as English words have meaning. And just as English words can have roots, so too Kanji characters have roots (radicals)..
No. That is EXACTLY MY POINT. In Western World.... you only have to learn 27 letters to be able to read. In Asia: you need 8000. Easy vs Hard. I don't know what radicals are.......but they aren't the same thing as root words in English. Is that like combining the symbol for woman and house = harmony but two women under one roof is disharmony?

Which............... "you know"............. if you DON'T KNOW what some symbol means........how do you ever find out? How is a Japanese dictionary "alphabetized" when there is no alphabet. Paging thru a book to get to your particular symbol must be a real pain.

TJrandom wrote: Personally, my favorite is to heap praise, knowing full well that my compatriots will understand the meaning.
I think it was lunch time. I laughed and said: "Yes, very rich." I haven't noticed you praise or condemn much either way. I wouldn't just assume that college kiddies on vacation are stalwart representatives of their culture.


Please google the literacy rate for Japan, and then for the US....

Ease of mastery is overrated - pride in accomplishment being worthless for something that doesn`t take effort. If reading English only required recognition of 27 letters, everyone would be literate, but alas, just singing the ABCs song, or recognizing those characters does not produce a reader.

Radicals are portions of kanji characters and for the most part are kanji characters on their own. Dictionaries are sequenced by radical first, and then by stroke count within that radical. Identification of the correct radical is important and taught - the rule being, top-to-bottom, left-to-right, and finally surround. All kanjis that deal with `wood` share the `tree` radical, while all that deal with speech, conversation, etc., have the mouth radical. In addition, there are dictionaries that are first sequenced by the sound in a universally accepted/taught sequence, and from there by radical and stroke count. Very simple once you know what you are doing.

While for Engrish, it can be quite a challenge to find a word if you are unsure of pronunciation. Take xylaphone, for example… oops, maybe sailaphone, or zailaphone, or …

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby TJrandom » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:08 pm

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby Poodle » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:58 pm

TJrandom wrote:Take xylaphone, for example …

Xylophone, TJ. From Greek xylon = wood. It has wooden bars, as opposed to things with metal bars which are actually glockenspiels

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

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Xylophone, TJ. From Greek xylon = wood. It has wooden bars, as opposed to things with metal bars which are actually glockenspiels

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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby Nikki Nyx » Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:52 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:In Western World.... you only have to learn 27 letters to be able to read. In Asia: you need 8000. Easy vs Hard.
But those 8,000 aren't letters; they're kanji. A Western toddler can recite the alphabet, but can't put those letters together in any meaningful way.

I was fortunate enough to be able to be home with my daughter until she was four years old, so I undertook to teach her to read before she started school. To that end, I bought a large chalkboard (meter wide by 200cm high). I would choose a book, then work with the words from that book, starting with simple substitutions containing one vowel, like cat, hat, bat. (Dr. Seuss' books were perfect for this.) Our "lesson" at the chalkboard was earlier in the day. Then, at bedtime, I'd have her read the book to me.

I imagine a somewhat similar process happens with kanji...simpler concepts are learned earlier on, while more complex concepts are learned later. We don't teach our toddlers words like "metamorphosis" or "onomatopoeia." Asian toddlers probably don't need to learn all 8,000 to be able to read.
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jul 10, 2017 5:15 pm

I got two set of letters from the scrabble set. I put one in order and my niece put the other set in matching order. After a few days of this we stopped doing two sets and she did the whole string from memory. Then we started looking for words in the whole pile.
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Re: Counting from 0 to 9 in upper case.

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:37 pm

TJrandom wrote: Ease of mastery is overrated - pride in accomplishment being worthless for something that doesn`t take effort.


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! My very point. TJ: are you using Kung Fooey on me and heaping praise in some kind of subtle culturally manipulative way?............because right now, no better argument supports my "question" than what you provide in defense of the "status quo stupid."

TJrandom wrote: If reading English only required recognition of 27 letters, everyone would be literate, but alas, just singing the ABCs song, or recognizing those characters does not produce a reader.


I should stop with the above, but........I'm a pendant and must mansplain more............I prefer questions and answers, but that more rarely takes place.........so busy we all are.

If I could, I'd change my nik now to: "bobbo, we think with words, and flower with ideas" but it would lose its meanings the way this forum nik's work.

The great push to literacy in the Western World is built on the simple alphabet AND its correspondence to the sounds of the language it symbolizes. We all learn the spoken language first......how to best represent that except by symbols that represent those sounds? In Western, we have the alphabet. Learn that and knowing the spoken language you can "figure out" what words mean or how to spell them....without the added benefit of a firm grounding in Latin or Greek which is all a plus. The Egyptian Hieroglyphics were very similar to this. Speak the language, and the writings comes real quick and easy.

But in Asia? As I'm understanding it.........the radicals have no relationship at all to the "sounds" of the spoken language? Those first scribes missed an important trick there.

TJrandom wrote: Radicals are portions of kanji characters and for the most part are kanji characters on their own. Dictionaries are sequenced by radical first, and then by stroke count within that radical. Identification of the correct radical is important and taught - the rule being, top-to-bottom, left-to-right, and finally surround. All kanjis that deal with `wood` share the `tree` radical,
Gag me with a spoon full of maggots.

TJrandom wrote: All kanjis .....that deal with speech, conversation, etc., have the mouth radical. In addition, there are dictionaries that are first sequenced by the sound in a universally accepted/taught sequence, and from there by radical and stroke count.
mouth could be "verbal" but I suspect not as it goes on to stroke count. so...still no connection to the spoken language? A totally disconnect from spoken to written. NOT very efficient or easy.....just a pride building exercise that you made it thru all that BS? Much like studying Latin?..... with Latin having more application to Western languages.

TJrandom wrote: Very simple once you know what you are doing.

1. Every thing is. But how long does that "once" take, and how easy is it to forget? Simple........ I assume.

2. I hear a ring of defeat in your voice. Is that a mouth kanji?

3. Liar.

4. BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. ((Just occurred to me. Look at that "bwhahahahahahah". totally made up..... yet all English SPEAKERS know what it means. Can you do a similar thing with Kanjis?

TJrandom wrote: While for Engrish,
What are you? A racist???? If this thread goes any longer FURTHER, we'll get to penis size (a South Park reference)?

TJrandom wrote: While for Engrish, it can be quite a challenge to find a word if you are unsure of pronunciation.
Exactly. Whereas its stupidly easy for the other 99.99% of the time. AGAIN: you concede the argument in your tradition culturally bound adherence.

TJrandom wrote: Astute observations there…

1. Where?

2. Thank you.

Somewhere above I lost the USA literacy rate issue. And I assume "today" Japan rules........the whole world? Excluding all foreigners from your culture does have that beneficial aspect to it...........and likewise........for the USA, I blame the Irish.

Also can't find where I should stick: "Ever have lunch in Honolulu?"

Ha, ha...........I do crack myself up. Cover the whole post in truth and sarcasm. Use wood and mouth to sort.

Likewise: Kung Fooey, its Chinese I know but funny as compared to jujitsu. I studied both in the Gym at the Emperor's Palace in Tokyo........horseback riding and ballroom dancing as well. Elocution too. It was an after school program my parents put me in as I was flunking out of school........due to boredom I swear!!!!
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