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Kilgore Trout wrote:I don't know about you boys, but nothing makes me "ready for love" like discovering an alien worm hanging out of my eyeball. Fantastic and believable!

Wiggling around and diving in and out of the eyeball, that's a turn on for anybody.

Did anybody else notice how easily Prometheus could be converted into a toy. The exhaust ducts rotate, the vehicle bay is in front and handy for "not included" extra toys.

BTW, if one of your crew that was presumed dead showed up walking like a demon crab, would you let him in without any questions?
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Kilgore Trout wrote:
JO 753 wrote:
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JO 753 wrote:Trace the lineage uv the classic alien at the end.

That being...


The droid touchez the guyz drink with a smuj uv the black ooz on hiz finger. The guy gets sick and we see a tiny worm style alien in hiz eye. but befor he gets vizably sick, he gets down with the girl who then growz the face hugger in her womb. she gets it out but later its the giant face hugger that puts the larval stage alien in the Engineer wich pops out az the familiar alien.

Also, the archeologist guy sorta comez back to life az sum sorta monster.

Ergo - the black fluid iz the germ stage alien wich can adapt to different situationz and hosts in order to survive, thrive and kill. Az established in Alien3 they can incorporate characteristics uv the host. So maybe the worm version iz its simple, plain or pure rendition.


I don't know about you boys, but nothing makes me "ready for love" like discovering an alien worm hanging out of my eyeball. Fantastic and believable!

He discovered the worm _after_ sex.
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Monster wrote:He discovered the worm _after_ sex.

So?
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Postby Lausten » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:35 pm

Major wrote:The Soluble Engineer is obviously Jebes Our Creator, Lord, and Saviour, who sacrificed himself, and stuff.
Right, water, baptism, sacrifice, got it.

As for the worm in the eye and other stuff, that is stuff that makes for great jokes about red shirts or the guy in Galaxy Quest who points out the cute little space creatures are going to turn deadly, because that's how sci-fi shows work.

Nothing has happened yet when he sees the worm, they have seen nothing but another archeaological site that they are going to have to figure out. He would have dismissed the worm as something he didn't really see. And the zombie guy, what would you do? Torch him like the evil lady torched the other guy? Nice. You'd try to help him, assuming he was hurt. You wouldn't put him in a lead casing just in case he might have super human strength.
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Re: Prometheus

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And here I was expecting Shatner's voice to come booming out of that thing.
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Gawdzilla wrote:And here I was expecting Shatner's voice to come booming out of that thing.

It was going to, but you didn't wait for the 2-hour pause before he started talking.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Kilgore Trout » Mon Jun 11, 2012 4:56 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:
Monster wrote:He discovered the worm _after_ sex.

So?



I stand corrected. The film is now completely plausible. :mrgreen:
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Re: Prometheus

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Kilgore Trout wrote:
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Monster wrote:He discovered the worm _after_ sex.

So?



I stand corrected. The film is now completely plausible. :mrgreen:

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Gawdzilla wrote:
Monster wrote:He discovered the worm _after_ sex.

So?

I was correcting Kilgore Trout because he was mocking the film based on his own misunderstanding. Well, that one detail I mean.
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Re: Prometheus

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Monster wrote:
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Monster wrote:He discovered the worm _after_ sex.

So?

I was correcting Kilgore Trout because he was mocking the film based on his own misunderstanding. Well, that one detail I mean.

Ah. Do carry on.
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JO 753 wrote:The pod wuz for Weyland. Saying its herz iz to cover that up and that shez a droid.



Well, hold on there! I thought what's her name hooked up with the Captian? That proves she's not mechanical (at least physically).


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Theron's character was Weyland's daughter.
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Gawdzilla wrote:Theron's character was Weyland's daughter.

Yeah. I thought that was obvious. Weyland makes a point of saying David is the closest thing he'll ever have to a son.
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Gawdzilla wrote:Theron's character was Weyland's daughter.

Yeah. I thought that was obvious. Weyland makes a point of saying David is the closest thing he'll ever have to a son.

I just thought of that as a slam at Theron.
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She callz him Father, yet her surname iz Vickers. No statements to other people hinting a relation.

That conversation between her and Weyland also haz sumthing about inheritance or taking hiz place wen hez gon.

I suppoze other explanationz are possible. Maybe shez a clone? Maybe shez secretly hiz natural offspring? Maybe she wuz born male? But nun uv thoze explain the cover up.

The captain didnt hav to try too hard to get her in bed. Her real motive wuz to subdue rumorz that shez a droid.

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Re: Prometheus

Postby Austin Harper » Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:52 pm

Also: androids don't have surnames. (Ref: Ash, Bishop, Call, David).
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Re: Prometheus

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Funny how humans quickly avoid the truth when it's so obviously right there in your face to see

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JO 753 wrote:She callz him Father, yet her surname iz Vickers. No statements to other people hinting a relation.

That conversation between her and Weyland also haz sumthing about inheritance or taking hiz place wen hez gon.

I suppoze other explanationz are possible. Maybe shez a clone? Maybe shez secretly hiz natural offspring? Maybe she wuz born male? But nun uv thoze explain the cover up.

The captain didnt hav to try too hard to get her in bed. Her real motive wuz to subdue rumorz that shez a droid.

Reading everything you write makes me enjoy the movie less.
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Pamam55 wrote:Funny how humans quickly avoid the truth when it's so obviously right there in your face to see

You're speaking about humans in 3rd person! Undeniable proof that you're not human! Which is undeniable proof that you're a reptilian!
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Monster wrote:
Pamam55 wrote:Funny how humans quickly avoid the truth when it's so obviously right there in your face to see

You're speaking about humans in 3rd person! Undeniable proof that you're not human! Which is undeniable proof that you're a reptilian!

Or brain damaged. Which way you bettin'?
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Gawdzilla wrote:
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Pamam55 wrote:Funny how humans quickly avoid the truth when it's so obviously right there in your face to see

You're speaking about humans in 3rd person! Undeniable proof that you're not human! Which is undeniable proof that you're a reptilian!

Or brain damaged. Which way you bettin'?

I've been trying to get him to respond to something, but it hasn't been working.
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When I'm old and mad as a hatter you'll have trouble getting my attention too.
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Monster wrote:Reading everything you write makes me enjoy the movie less.


Sorry! :(

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You havent been keeping up with blowup doll tek!


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Postby Lausten » Tue Jun 12, 2012 4:03 pm

Well, that clears up a few things. A nasty little comment at the end should satisfy M. Malfunction.

I noticed the "about 2,000 years ago" thing (yes I am that good at math), but didn't want to comment on the obvious just yet. Ridley indicates that Christ was an engineer, but I wish he wouldn't have. I think it is enough to say that, once the Roman Empire had its chance, once it was seen that they were going to force out the philosophers and go with a military/conquering attitude, it's pretty much over for the human race. Even that is ethnocentric. China was doing somewhat better at the time, but they eventually produced the Mongols. The Aztecs were doing okay too, but, well, I'm not sure when they started cutting people's heart's out and letting blood flow down their temples. Christ was just the inevitable reaction to seeing such injustice on such a massive scale.

My theory, or "thesis" if you will, is not so much that the Engineers felt like their experiment had failed, as Ridley says the " ‘our children are misbehaving down there’ scenario", but more like Zeus who says, "you gave them fire? what the hell? Kill them all now or eventually they'll be up here killing us."
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The Aztecs took over their area a few hundred years before Columbus. May have been doing the chest-cracking thing before that, but not on industrial scale.
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Postby Kilgore Trout » Tue Jun 12, 2012 5:05 pm

Let's have a show of hands...during the interminable rolling alien spaceship scene - who was thinking WTF? Hang a left! Hang a left! You know the old saying.. A rolling spaceship gathers no splattered astronauts who know enough to turn out of it's path.
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Kilgore Trout wrote:Let's have a show of hands...during the interminable rolling alien spaceship scene - who was thinking WTF? Hang a left! Hang a left! You know the old saying.. A rolling spaceship gathers no splattered astronauts who know enough to turn out of it's path.

Yeah, I thought that the whole time.
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Postby Lausten » Tue Jun 12, 2012 6:02 pm

Hang a left! Hang a left!

that was pretty funny
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Postby Austin Harper » Tue Jun 12, 2012 7:29 pm

The only time that kind of scene has worked is Indiana Jones because he is in a tunnel and there is nowhere for him to turn. And eventually Shaw does hang a right, but it's on accident.
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Austin Harper wrote:The only time that kind of scene has worked is Indiana Jones because he is in a tunnel and there is nowhere for him to turn. And eventually Shaw does hang a right, but it's on accident.

Didn't work in Raiders either. All he had to do was lay down and the ball, being on ramps, would have gone over him. (Objections about it sealing the cave are moot because of the pit.)
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Postby Major Malfunction » Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:29 pm

Lausten wrote:My theory, or "thesis" if you will, is not so much that the Engineers felt like their experiment had failed, as Ridley says the " ‘our children are misbehaving down there’ scenario", but more like Zeus who says, "you gave them fire? what the hell? Kill them all now or eventually they'll be up here killing us."

That's the only way I can see it making any sense. We rebelled, and they realise that we might become the competition. But if as Ridley Scott says himself, the "Engineers are such aggressive {!#%@}", why would that turn of events even surprise them, or that their progeny would display a similar aggressiveness as themselves?

And it still doesn't explain what happened on the moon to wipe-out the base (was it just an accident, factional sabotage, or did a clever human infiltrate and turn their own weapon against them?), or why there were no follow-up ships of mass destruction sent once they realised their base was lost.

I'd like to know the answers, but not so much that I'd spend my hard-earned on another crappy film to find out.
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Postby Stormcrow » Thu Jun 14, 2012 3:14 pm

Prometheus is genuinely outstanding movie; there were so many "holes" in the movie that were filled by paying attention to other events in the movie which might be taken as time wasting "blah blah blah" to the casual viewer.

While I can enjoy any movie simply for being fun, I can genuinely appreciate Prometheus for the technical beauty of its storytelling.

I also rather enjoyed the fact that there was no attempt by the film to sway the viewer as to whether or not a God was involved in engineering the engineers. The matter was left open as the unanswerable question that it is.

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Stormcrow wrote:I have no doubt that the movie touches on some level of his own thinking. No matter that you're primary goal is to make money on something you've created, the subject of creation is often something that you WANT to do unless you're just putting together a brainless shoot em up popcorn flick. A great deal of thought went into this movie. It was clearly a labor of love.

Ridley Scott already said that he's very open to the concept of panspermia.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:13 pm

Okay, from conversations elsewhere:

The Engineers must have had a collapse, their team has been overdue for two thousand years and they didn't look for them? No follow up on their mission to take us out?

The human race is a bioweapon that failed, hence the plan to destroy us.

The Aliens are genetically averse to technology, designed that way so they wouldn't become a space-faring race.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Kilgore Trout » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:10 pm

Stormcrow wrote:Prometheus is genuinely outstanding movie; there were so many "holes" in the movie that were filled by paying attention to other events in the movie which might be taken as time wasting "blah blah blah" to the casual viewer.

While I can enjoy any movie simply for being fun, I can genuinely appreciate Prometheus for the technical beauty of its storytelling.

I also rather enjoyed the fact that there was no attempt by the film to sway the viewer as to whether or not a God was involved in engineering the engineers. The matter was left open as the unanswerable question that it is.

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I have no doubt that the movie touches on some level of his own thinking. No matter that you're primary goal is to make money on something you've created, the subject of creation is often something that you WANT to do unless you're just putting together a brainless shoot em up popcorn flick. A great deal of thought went into this movie. It was clearly a labor of love.



I really wanted to like this thing. Please don't tell me I just wasn't paying attention and so I didn't "get it". I was able to follow Inception, I'll have you know! The characters were uninteresting and the story was thin. It seemed to me it was just a big display of special effects and movies like that never work for me. There has to be story and characters. I didn't find any but I'm glad you enjoyed it.


But more importantly...You ever notice how inept hollywood aliens are. Constantly bungling invasions. Getting stranded here with no way home. Losing spacecraft. It makes me wonder how they had the wherewithal to travel across the galaxy in the first place? What a bunch of clowns.
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Nicest thing I've heard so far is "Ishtar in Space".
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Stormcrow » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:36 pm

Well look, not every movie of 2012 can be as husband bulge worthy as The Cabin in the Woods.

Perhaps Prometheus could have used some more character development, but I really do think there were a few worthwhile "oh I see what you did there" moments and an overall good story.

I still don't get why the alien at the beginning had to kill himself to seed the planet. Surely squeezing out an eyedropper into the water would have been just as effective, and less Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

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Re: Prometheus

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:44 pm

Stormcrow wrote:I still don't get why the alien at the beginning had to kill himself to seed the planet. Surely squeezing out an eyedropper into the water would have been just as effective, and less Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

We don't have a clue of the Engineers' motivations, but a SWAG might be "a noble sacrifice" or "in lieu of life in prison", or "a holy cause". Etc.
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