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Re: Prometheus

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Gravitycaptain wrote:Did any one catch that she should be dead due to lack of oxygen? She got in the ship with 30 sec remaining and then went back outside to find headless droid. Did I miss something?

She filled her bag with air canisters.
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Major Malfunction wrote:Why hasn't anyone done Skylark or Lensman? Those would make awesome sci-fi movies. We've got the tech now.

Misogynistic aspects would have to be downplayed. But the Cylinder's first battle and the free planets would be fun to watch.

You know, I don't get the misogynist labels bandied at Doc. The female roles were co-written by his friend's wife. Who was female*. And all the women characters are PhDs in their fields and provide strong supporting roles throughout, without which their men would never succeed, and can even out-smart their husbands, take the lead and save the day, on occasions.

Taken in the context of the times (1928, thereabouts, for the noobs), the Doc was an Egalitarian Activist.

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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:51 pm

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Gravitycaptain wrote:Did any one catch that she should be dead due to lack of oxygen? She got in the ship with 30 sec remaining and then went back outside to find headless droid. Did I miss something?

She filled her bag with air canisters.

The coke I'd filled with scotch had just about run out by then. And I had stopped caring.
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Re: Prometheus

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Major Malfunction wrote:Why hasn't anyone done Skylark or Lensman? Those would make awesome sci-fi movies. We've got the tech now.

Misogynistic aspects would have to be downplayed. But the Cylinder's first battle and the free planets would be fun to watch.

You know, I don't get the misogynist labels bandied at Doc. The female roles were co-written by his friend's wife. Who was female*. And all the women characters are PhDs in their fields and provide strong supporting roles throughout, without which their men would never succeed, and can even out-smart their husbands, take the lead and save the day, on occasions.

Taken in the context of the times (1928, thereabouts, for the noobs), the Doc was an Egalitarian Activist.

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* Had a uterus. And mammary glands.

Okay, look at the strong and weak lines for the humans. That says it all.
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Re: Prometheus

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Oh, and the Red Lensman, too.
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Gawdzilla wrote:Okay, look at the strong and weak lines for the humans. That says it all.

You got something against redheads?
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Re: Prometheus

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Gawdzilla wrote:Okay, look at the strong and weak lines for the humans. That says it all.

You got something against redheads?

Both sides of the lines were redheads. But the "strong" line was passed directly from male to male. The "weak" line was sometimes passed through the female parent. Doc explicitly said that made it the weaker line.

And there was only one woman who ever received a Lens directly from the Arisians, and the gal who learned that this would be the case considered her to be more than a little bit of a freak.

And finally, how many women saw active combat duties with the Galactic Patrol?
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Sun Jun 10, 2012 5:41 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:Both sides of the lines were redheads. But the "strong" line was passed directly from male to male. The "weak" line was sometimes passed through the female parent. Doc explicitly said that made it the weaker line.

And there was only one woman who ever received a Lens directly from the Arisians, and the gal who learned that this would be the case considered her to be more than a little bit of a freak.

And finally, how many women saw active combat duties with the Galactic Patrol?

How does any of this not relate to present reality?

Except Doc didn't know about genetics.

He still knew gals don't fight wars, except for the Amazonian planet, where males were reduced to horny rodents.
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The Arisians were going to mental powers, so the dilution of the weaker strain by females implies that they are mentally weaker.

He didn't know about genetics? He live in pre-Darwinian times?

The reason women don't fight in wars is because they tend to fight dirty. I know.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Sun Jun 10, 2012 6:18 pm

You know, I'd tend to agree. When the ladies choose to step up, they can. And how! But most of the time I think they just like being taken care of. Which I wouldn't deny. I'd like that too. So who's smarter?

Pre Watson & Crick. Post Medel's peas.

Some call him the Father of Modern Science Fiction. And even modern warfare.

Oh, how I could list the ways...
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Re: Prometheus

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Major Malfunction wrote:You know, I'd tend to agree. When the ladies choose to step up, they can. And how! But most of the time I think they just like being taken care of. Which I wouldn't deny. I'd like that too. So who's smarter?

Pre Watson & Crick. Post Medel's peas.

Some call him the Father of Modern Science Fiction. And even modern warfare.

Oh, how I could list the ways...

I've fought women and men. The women were generally more dangerous, they were there voluntarily and they wanted to prove they could hack it. So I tended to shoot them first when I had an option.

So, not aware of DNA but aware of heritable traits. Close enough.

He's one of my favorite "Space oater" authors. I recently downloaded his collected works.
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Re: Prometheus

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About the surgery pod or wutever its called, since they were so specific about the detailz that seem to be a plot hole, it certainly iznt. It will turn out that Meredith iz a droid. (UG! Now I'm doing spoilerz for sequelz that havent even been ritten yet????)

About moviez based on books. Do you know that Endrz Game iz filming? If anybody in Hollywood haz haf a brain, we shoud be seeing The Stainless Steel Rat before 2020!

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Where did you get that from? If she was a 'droid she'd need a tool shop, not a surgical center.
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The pod wuz for Weyland. Saying its herz iz to cover that up and that shez a droid.

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JO 753 wrote:The pod wuz for Weyland. Saying its herz iz to cover that up and that shez a droid.

And where did you get this from?
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Postby JO 753 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 8:39 pm

Based on the suppozition that Ridley Scott iznt an idiot. There are a few other thingz in the movie that hint that a sequel wuz alwayz planned. I've only seen it once, so probably missed other cluez.

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Prefacing that with "In my opinion, without supporting evidence, ..." would have saved some pixels.
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Postby JO 753 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 9:12 pm

No! Therez evidence! But like all evidence, it requirez interpretation.

And it woud be the same number uv pixelz, jus different colorz.

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Biggest facehugger I've ever seen. :shock:
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Monster wrote:Biggest facehugger I've ever seen. :shock:

There was evidently more than one bioweapon on those ships. The black oil (paging Mulder!), the Aliens, and the ones swimming in the Chamber of the Great Big Head (for you Third Rock fans.) That's three I noticed.
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Postby JO 753 » Sun Jun 10, 2012 11:33 pm

It coud be all the same thing and it haz differnt expressionz depending on the situation and hosts.

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It could be, or the Engineers could have more than one string in their bow.
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Postby JO 753 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 1:01 am

Trace the lineage uv the classic alien at the end.

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JO 753 wrote:Trace the lineage uv the classic alien at the end.

That being...
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:13 am

JO 753 wrote:About the surgery pod or wutever its called, since they were so specific about the detailz that seem to be a plot hole, it certainly iznt. It will turn out that Meredith iz a droid. (UG! Now I'm doing spoilerz for sequelz that havent even been ritten yet????)

About moviez based on books. Do you know that Endrz Game iz filming? If anybody in Hollywood haz haf a brain, we shoud be seeing The Stainless Steel Rat before 2020!

How much would it have cost to install the female software, FFS? Were they on a tight budget, or something? Let's see, FTL spaceship: check. Crew: check. Flamethrowers: check. AutoDoc: check. What about the female anatomy app? Nah, too expensive. Skip it. Hardsuits we'll never use: check.

The whole scene was superfluous. In fact, that's pretty much my description of the whole movie. Superfluous.

Enders Game? Awesome! I just finished reading the series! And I saw something interestingly related the other day. You know the Piggies, how they get gutted and turn into trees? That's actually based on an Incan religious practise.

Also, there have been rumours of a Lensman movie floating about for some time. But I haven't heard anything substantial.
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Postby Lausten » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:28 am

Did I miss something?

Yes, she grabbed a bag. I assume it had oxygen in it. It's not like sci-fi in the 70's when they groped for a big bottle that said "OXYGEN" on it, movie goers are expected to fill in stuff like that. I agree with Major Malfunction that the "male only" thing for the bot-doctor was weird, but most of what he says is just nit-picky. Read some Shakespeare, he had to write in a lot of explanation of what was going using the dialog, CGI fills all that in now, and we don't have to be annoyed with stupid details about whether or not the air is sealed in a building correctly. If the characters can breathe, then they can breathe, get over it.

I really enjoyed that the technology was much better for these people than in the Alien series. In that series, technology degrades as they go forward, and civility also degrades. Belief in God is not a factor at all, that I remember. A promo I read mentioned "multiple competing corporations" but I didn't really hear much about that in the movie. I like that it was 2089, not too far off, a future where corporations are even more powerful and religion is almost dead. You have the archeaologist, (which was a bit difficult to grasp, that the scientist would be the believer), and the old "King", the CEO, who is attempting to buy his way in to see God.

So, my question is the beginning, at the waterfall. Was that on earth? The super-human albino guy was tricked and his DNA was exploded, but did that release something into earth's water? creating us? Or was that just showing that there was some other race that maybe helped the super-humans then tried to destroy them. Seems pretty key. Obviously they are leaving lots unanswered so I will continue to come back for the sequels.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jun 11, 2012 2:53 am

The Engineer knew what he was doing. He triggered the device to break his body down and release his DNA. Seeding Earth with Engineer DNA is a cute idea, but there's no reason to believe that seeding would result in little Engineers.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:07 am

Nit-picky! Phfft! I'm a sci-fi aficionado!

As all the greatest sci-fi writers have said at some point in their careers, the technology is merely the backdrop upon which the story of the characters is told. The technology should never - never! - become a character (androids excepted), because ultimately, why we come to listen, is to hear a human tale of emotions, triumphs and tragedies. And when the technology becomes the foreground, the story is lost.

Which is what we've got here. So much focus on the whizz-bang, the characters, the story, don't even exist. I'm complaining about the state of modern films in general. They've seriously, and quite literally, lost the plot.

Anyway, that alien dude apparently drank some nano-tech potion that broke-down his DNA and reformed it, thereby seeding the Earth with life. Why, with that kind of technology, he had to sacrifice himself instead of just dropping a seed pod from orbit, I suppose will never be explained. It's more dramatic?

And then they want to blow it all up. The {!#%@}? They fly around the galaxy creating life and snuffing it for shits and giggles?
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Postby bigtim » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:20 am

it's basically a telling of Lovecraft's 'At the Mountains of Madness'

or so I hear.... haven't seen it, will wait till I can see it at home... maybe...
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JO 753 wrote:If anybody in Hollywood haz haf a brain, we shoud be seeing The Stainless Steel Rat before 2020!

Yay!
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:48 am

Gawdzilla wrote:
Monster wrote:Biggest facehugger I've ever seen. :shock:

There was evidently more than one bioweapon on those ships. The black oil (paging Mulder!), the Aliens, and the ones swimming in the Chamber of the Great Big Head (for you Third Rock fans.) That's three I noticed.

There was a sculpture of your known and trusted Alien, too.

About the Tentacle Baby. Where did the energy and material come from for it to grow so big? What does it eat? That kind of metabolism would generate a lot of waste heat. We're talking radiators, fans, and cross-flow heat exchangers on an industrial scale to keep that thing from just cooking itself while it grew that fast.

I know. I'm nit-picking. But the whole AutoDoc, Tentacle Baby, Giant Tentacle Baby inadvertently saves Mother from Surprise Giant Angry Humanoid Alien Intent on Murder for No Reason Except He's a Giant Angry Humanoid Alien Intent on Murder sequence seems contrived. Poorly.
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JO 753 wrote:Trace the lineage uv the classic alien at the end.

That being...


The droid touchez the guyz drink with a smuj uv the black ooz on hiz finger. The guy gets sick and we see a tiny worm style alien in hiz eye. but befor he gets vizably sick, he gets down with the girl who then growz the face hugger in her womb. she gets it out but later its the giant face hugger that puts the larval stage alien in the Engineer wich pops out az the familiar alien.

Also, the archeologist guy sorta comez back to life az sum sorta monster.

Ergo - the black fluid iz the germ stage alien wich can adapt to different situationz and hosts in order to survive, thrive and kill. Az established in Alien3 they can incorporate characteristics uv the host. So maybe the worm version iz its simple, plain or pure rendition.

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Re: Prometheus

Postby JO 753 » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:18 am

I agree with the 'why not, kuz it basicly costs zilch' complaint in general against alot uv stuff in syfy. But not having female software in the autodoc haz a likely explanation.

There wuz a statement about how rare the machine wuz. Maybe its so rare that its basicly a prototype and not everything iz complete, thus the female specific software wuznt available wen they left.

The lack uv the software wuz prezented az a surprize that contradicts Vickerz story, so I'm sure it wuz intentional.

Sumtimez wen things seem stupid, its bekuz you dont understand. I like moviez that dont make everything obvious.

I'm still wundering about the Engineer at the beginning. Iz he here before anything above algae haz developed, or sumtime before mammalz or wut?

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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Jun 11, 2012 6:53 am

I'm sure the AutoDoc will never be mentioned again. It was a blatantly obvious and poorly contrived drama device, which our heroine easily fooled, anyway.

So why not just drop that whole premise on the cutting room floor?

The Soluble Engineer is obviously Jebes Our Creator, Lord, and Saviour, who sacrificed himself, and stuff. He was a splitter, a rebel. And the other Giant Angry Humanoid Aliens are so pissed about it that they spent thousands of years developing nanobioweapons and visiting Humanity to give them directions where to find their doom because.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:33 am

MM, I didn't see Jebes as anything but the dude who was sent on a suicide mission.
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Postby Lausten » Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:35 am

I'm complaining about the state of modern films in general

Putting me in a position to defend modern film making is unfair. It is not defend-able. But I do sometimes go to movies strictly to see the whizz-bang stuff, even though I know the movie has little substance. That one with the blue people for instance.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jun 11, 2012 12:18 pm

Lausten wrote:
I'm complaining about the state of modern films in general

Putting me in a position to defend modern film making is unfair. It is not defend-able. But I do sometimes go to movies strictly to see the whizz-bang stuff, even though I know the movie has little substance. That one with the blue people for instance.

Ed Zachery. I am of the drive-in theater generation and remember "cool" special effect that look totally lame today. The Parting of the Red Sea, cool in 1960, today you'd see fishes staring out at the charioteers. "Avatar" would have been impossible to film ten years ago. If you got to the movies expecting to see a masterpiece every time you're going to be very disappointed all the time.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Kilgore Trout » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:18 pm

Gawdzilla wrote:The plot holes could have their own movies.

However, I have this tinbox set of "100 Great Science Fiction Movies", anyone of which is worse by far than "Prometheus". In one of them you can see the camera man reflected in the "port hole" of the ship, which looks suspiciously like an ordinary window with some pipes stuck on the sides.



Major- I'm with you 100%. I've seen Alien and Aliens about 1,000 times. (Alien 3 and 4 are abominations and I will never mention them again.) Prometheus is kinda dumb. I'm suprised how positive reactions to this thing have been.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Kilgore Trout » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:21 pm

JO 753 wrote:The pod wuz for Weyland. Saying its herz iz to cover that up and that shez a droid.



Well, hold on there! I thought what's her name hooked up with the Captian? That proves she's not mechanical (at least physically).
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Kilgore Trout » Mon Jun 11, 2012 3:26 pm

JO 753 wrote:
Gawdzilla wrote:
JO 753 wrote:Trace the lineage uv the classic alien at the end.

That being...


The droid touchez the guyz drink with a smuj uv the black ooz on hiz finger. The guy gets sick and we see a tiny worm style alien in hiz eye. but befor he gets vizably sick, he gets down with the girl who then growz the face hugger in her womb. she gets it out but later its the giant face hugger that puts the larval stage alien in the Engineer wich pops out az the familiar alien.

Also, the archeologist guy sorta comez back to life az sum sorta monster.

Ergo - the black fluid iz the germ stage alien wich can adapt to different situationz and hosts in order to survive, thrive and kill. Az established in Alien3 they can incorporate characteristics uv the host. So maybe the worm version iz its simple, plain or pure rendition.


I don't know about you boys, but nothing makes me "ready for love" like discovering an alien worm hanging out of my eyeball. Fantastic and believable!
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