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John Wyndham / "The Chrysalids" ( "Rebirth" in USA)

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:48 am

John Wyndham was a very early UK, science fiction author. he is most famous for "Day of the Triffids". He was a couple generations ahead of his time and, like Phillip K Dick, wrote on unusual science fiction topics. I kept all my 1970's SF paperbacks and decided to read his 1955 novel The Chrysalids again.

I was very pleased to discover that the novel was much more sophisticated than I remembered it and it had some "deep" parts that I missed as an immature teenager.

The novels describes an isolated medieval technology village that is uber-religious. They strictly follow the only book they "found" the bible, which says god made man in his own image. The village suffers lots of mutations and all mutations are burnt, whether crops, animals of humans. I remembered this bit but forgot the clever bit where village simpleton openly says "But how do we know we looked like the people in the bible anyway?" . The penny drops that the village is not populated by normal looking "humans" as a reader had assumed up until that point.

The novel was excellent and clever. It is my opinion that most of the major themes were stolen and appear as die movie "The Village" by M. Night Shyamalan.

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Re: Prometheus

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:49 am

I actually liked it because the robot violated the Three Laws.

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Re: John Wyndham / "The Chrysalids" ( "Rebirth" in USA)

Postby Gord » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:36 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:...by M. Night Shyamalan.

Shamalamadingdong
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Re: John Wyndham / "The Chrysalids" ( "Rebirth" in USA)

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:44 am

Gord wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:...by M. Night Shyamalan.

Shamalamadingdong
He started well with "The Sixth Sense" but his later films were basically, high production cost "Twilight Zone" episodes, with a twist at the end.

"Shyamalan had this to say to the New York Daily News: "We're making an excellent B movie, that's our goal".
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Jan 23, 2016 10:39 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:The whole cesarean was accomplished by advanced technology not subject to todays evaluation.

This scene really annoys me. I watched the movie again last night, just to torture myself, and I hate it even more. It says there were only 12 of those AutoDocs ever made. I just can't bring myself to believe that such an advanced technology would forget to include female anatomy in their software. And as for advanced, it just uses staples to staple her up on the outside. I watched my ex-wife have two cesareans. There are more layers you need to stitch-up than just the skin. And she didn't move from bed for a week.

They could have at least used some magic spray and lasers. I'd let them have that.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:These are plot holes no number of movies could possibly answer, because they're entirely stupid. And that's just a sample. /// Your example above is not a plot hole but an issue of credibility. Different issues.

Granted and agreed. But either plot hole or incredulity ruins it for me.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Can't pay actors millions of dollars and then not see their faces. [SNIP] YES...all these conventions when excessive can ruin a film. I am "tolerant" of the ones mentioned so far.

I'm not so tolerant. Lights inside your helmet would blind you.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:3. Did any one catch that she should be dead due to lack of oxygen? She got in the ship with 30 sec remaining and then went back outside to find headless droid. Did I miss something? /// Now there is a plot hole. Evidently answered with canisters.

We've established she could survive quite happily for at least a month without an artificial air supply, although she might feel a bit lethargic.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:4. I'm complaining about the state of modern films in general. They've seriously, and quite literally, lost the plot. /// I agree. Emphasis now on explosions, gun or sword fights, .... and yet some nice special effects seen and appreciated totally separate from the rest of the film.

Avatar did it well. Story lite, but at least consistent, and very impressive.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Much cheaper and effective to simply send DNA to distant planets by capsules alone. The personal sacrifice of dying to start life on a planet?...... kinda a religious reference if you stop to think about it.

I mentioned that as well, and watching it through again, the religious allegories were cringe-worthy levels.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jan 23, 2016 5:12 pm

MM--what I'm reminded of right now is how much movies is mass entertainment rather than an art form. The business part of show where every white lead has a black costar to sell tickets. Hey!--I don't recall any black actors in this Flick.....and to suggest androids fill that role is an insult. To whom exactly, I fear to further consider. but female leads still a mold breaker?

Guess it does come down to exactly how much disbelief one is willing to suspend?

Another convention that drives me absoutely nuts everytime I see it: being able to see underwater, especially at night, without any artificial lights and then 90% of the time, dry clothes immediately upon exit from the water. Again: wouldn't want our stars to catch cold. Applying that notion to Prometheus..... probably have to be no sand in their cracks?

I still like it. A good mystery as opposed to mindless fights, explosions, and bravado. YMMV.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:23 pm

Oh! The Abyss. I'm off to watch that again!

It's got underwater aliens. Friendly ones. Laters!
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Re: Prometheus

Postby noface0711 » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:05 pm

The only time that kind of scene has worked is Indiana Jones because he is in a tunnel and there is nowhere for him to turn. And eventually Shaw does hang a right, but it's on accident.

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Re: Prometheus

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noface0711 wrote:The only time that kind of scene has worked is Indiana Jones because he is in a tunnel and there is nowhere for him to turn. And eventually Shaw does hang a right, but it's on accident.

Wasn't there a giant ball or something in a maze that could turn corners with the best F1 drivers? I remember laughing at the complete disregard for Newtonian physics.

But then I was stoned, so it may not have been on the BIG screen at all.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Poodle » Thu Mar 17, 2016 3:46 pm

OK, OK - I've spotted the game (or the bot) ...

Austin Harper wrote:The only time that kind of scene has worked is Indiana Jones because he is in a tunnel and there is nowhere for him to turn. And eventually Shaw does hang a right, but it's on accident.


noface0711 wrote:The only time that kind of scene has worked is Indiana Jones because he is in a tunnel and there is nowhere for him to turn. And eventually Shaw does hang a right, but it's on accident.


That's twice now ...

Will the real noface0711 please stand up?

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Re: Prometheus

Postby Gord » Thu Mar 17, 2016 6:33 pm

Poodle wrote:OK, OK - I've spotted the game (or the bot) ...

Austin Harper wrote:The only time that kind of scene has worked is Indiana Jones because he is in a tunnel and there is nowhere for him to turn. And eventually Shaw does hang a right, but it's on accident.


noface0711 wrote:The only time that kind of scene has worked is Indiana Jones because he is in a tunnel and there is nowhere for him to turn. And eventually Shaw does hang a right, but it's on accident.


That's twice now ...

Will the real noface0711 please stand up?

Good catch, Poo! I was fooled by this bot.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:37 pm

Ha, ha....first time I have seen a repeater bot. Several other bots often seen. Whats the point? Those damn kids!!!!
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Austin Harper » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:49 pm

Oh, {!#%@}, I'm a bot?!
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Re: Prometheus

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No - but it looks like you've been botted.

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Postby Gord » Thu Mar 17, 2016 9:56 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Ha, ha....first time I have seen a repeater bot. Several other bots often seen. Whats the point? Those damn kids!!!!

From what I've experienced with them in the past, they set themselves up as a typical poster, leave their posts alone for a few days until no one is looking, then come back and add an advertisement in their signatures. Their old posts will then display their ad, and since regular posters won't normally look at old posts, no one who cares enough to report them to the administrators sees what they've done.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Austin Harper » Thu Mar 17, 2016 10:07 pm

That's actually pretty smart.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Mar 18, 2016 12:07 am

Thank you for the explanation. I also, have never seen this in action before.

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Matthew Ellard wrote:Thank you for the explanation. I also, have never seen this in action before.

We've had them here before. I've watched as exactly what I described happened on these forums (too lazy to go looking for examples), but I knew about it from other forums where I was an administrator and had to ban them.
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Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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And the University of Youtube is in session.
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hee hee...there is lots of truth on youtube....
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gorgeous wrote:hee hee...there is lots of truth on youtube....

Then why haven't you ever found any?
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Postby gorgeous » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:30 pm

did you see the star maps matching the Mars and Earth ancient sites?...it's pretty clear...
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gorgeous wrote:did you see the star maps matching the Mars and Earth ancient sites?...it's pretty clear...

Like I said, "why haven't you found any?"
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Postby gorgeous » Fri Mar 18, 2016 3:48 pm

stay in denial...
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Stay thristy, my friend.

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gorgeous wrote:did you see the star maps matching the Mars and Earth ancient sites?...it's pretty clear...

I saw the falsified, distorted, and faked maps. Yes, it is pretty clear.
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Postby Poodle » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:00 pm

I actually wasted part of my life watching both of those examples of idiocy. Thanks, gorgeous.

There is one thing they both exhibit. It's called flight of ideas, and is a symptom of psychiatric disorder.

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in denial^^
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Poodle » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:41 am

So you keep saying, gorgeous. The question is, though, what you think we may be denying. When you can show me photographs of any part of Mars (and I mean photos that haven't been reworked) complete with details of origin which clearly display the kind of thing you claim, then I'd take some notice. As I know that you can't, I wont wait with bated breath.

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To be fair, gorgeous did produce lovely pix of a potato farm on Mars.
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no proof would be accepted...
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:05 am

gorgeous wrote:no proof would be accepted...


Proof of what Gorgeous? Please remember, you are so stupid, you can't actually set out in detail what you think you are trying to prove, in the first place.

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Postby Poodle » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:20 am

I'd accept proof. Show me some.

EDIT: If you have problems sourcing the photos, just shout. We can point you in the right direction.

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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Mar 19, 2016 4:52 am

Poodle wrote:I'd accept proof. Show me some...

I second that^. And since you're at it, georgeous, also provide the same for your claims about the alleged faking of the shooting deaths of Alison Parker and Adam Ward. Thanks.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:29 pm

gorgeous wrote:no proof would be accepted...

Translation: No proof I have would stand up to any sort of rational scrutiny.
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Postby Gord » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:55 pm

I have in the past accepted proofs ranging from 0 to 200. It's hard to imagine any proof that would not be accepted by someone here.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Mar 19, 2016 1:18 pm

Gord wrote:I have in the past accepted proofs ranging from 0 to 200. It's hard to imagine any proof that would not be accepted by someone here.

Your statements are, as usual, so everclear.
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