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Re: Prometheus

Postby Major Malfunction » Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:43 pm

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Stormcrow wrote:I still don't get why the alien at the beginning had to kill himself to seed the planet. Surely squeezing out an eyedropper into the water would have been just as effective, and less Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

We don't have a clue of the Engineers' motivations, but a SWAG might be "a noble sacrifice" or "in lieu of life in prison", or "a holy cause". Etc.

"Swag" seems about right. Seems to me Ridley's tried to cram so much mythological allegory in there the seams burst.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:53 am

If you wanna see a really trippy movie that explores the life/death/creation thing, and stars Hugh Jackman, you should check out The Fountain. And drop some acid.
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Re: Prometheus

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Major Malfunction wrote:If you wanna see a really trippy movie that explores the life/death/creation thing, and stars Hugh Jackman, you should check out The Fountain. And drop some acid.

Meh, too Zen for me to follow. I can't force my mind down those paths.
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Major Malfunction wrote:If you wanna see a really trippy movie that explores the life/death/creation thing, and stars Hugh Jackman, you should check out The Fountain. And drop some acid.



I liked The Fountain too, although it got a little heavy handed for me toward the end.
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Postby Troy Spiral MI » Thu Jun 21, 2012 2:53 am

Monster wrote:Information for non-morons: Ridley Scott is agnostic about whether aliens seeded Earth with life. In other words, he thinks it's possible.


I thought that means "it is impossible to know" thus, he has no opinion one way or the other, and by default would also mean hes an "athiest" on the subject since strict agnostic really breaks down into atheism doesn't it? "the lack of belief in X" is included in "Its not possible to know".

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Monster wrote:Information for non-morons: Ridley Scott is agnostic about whether aliens seeded Earth with life. In other words, he thinks it's possible.

I thought that means "it is impossible to know" thus, he has no opinion one way or the other, and by default would also mean hes an "athiest" on the subject since strict agnostic really breaks down into atheism doesn't it? "the lack of belief in X" is included in "Its not possible to know".

I agree with you. You can both be correct, and may even be saying the same thing. The terms "atheist" and "agnostic" are often used confusingly.
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Monster wrote:Information for non-morons: Ridley Scott is agnostic about whether aliens seeded Earth with life. In other words, he thinks it's possible.


I thought that means "it is impossible to know" thus, he has no opinion one way or the other, and by default would also mean hes an "athiest" on the subject since strict agnostic really breaks down into atheism doesn't it? "the lack of belief in X" is included in "Its not possible to know".

The meaning of agnostic is irrelevant to what I said. I probably shouldn't have used that word. He's just very open to panspermia.
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Lots of people in the Hollywood industry are "in the know"....you guys clearly aren't "in the know"

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Pamam55 wrote:Lots of people in the Hollywood industry are "in the know"....you guys clearly aren't "in the know"

And what you don't know is everything.
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Pamam55 wrote:Lots of people in the Hollywood industry are "in the know"....you guys clearly aren't "in the know"


no they're not, you're wrong
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Re: Prometheus

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Pamam55 wrote:Lots of people in the Hollywood industry are "in the know"....you guys clearly aren't "in the know"


no they're not, you're wrong



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Re: Prometheus

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Pamam55 wrote:Lots of people in the Hollywood industry are "in the know"....you guys clearly aren't "in the know"


no they're not, you're clinically insane

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I'm not!
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Major Malfunction wrote:I'm not!

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I'm just a very naughty boy.
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Postby JO 753 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:35 am

Watched the Blue Ray a few dayz ago. A little Q I had wuz about the thing in the space suit that showed up outside the ship. It wuz Fifield, the ill tempered geologist. Wuznt sure befor that wuznt Holloway.

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Re: Prometheus

Postby angawawa » Tue Oct 16, 2012 3:55 pm

This is a re-post from the Good/Bad new movies thread.

Since the first time I heard about "Prometheus", which was maybe a year and a half ago, I have been waiting anxiously to see it. "Alien" was without a doubt one of the top ten scifi movies of all time, and I've seen plenty of other Ridley Scott stuff, particularly "Blade Runner" which is MY all time favorite movie, so I was very excited. On Saturday I got it on my Kindle, picked up some snacks and Mt. Dew, curled up in my bed with my awesome earbuds and the Kindle propped up on a pillow, and settled in to watch.
SPOILER ALERT




And it was terrible. Charlize Theron was awful, the guy who played the captain did some of the worst acting I have ever seen anywhere, much less in a movie this big, the story was jerky and confusing, even knowing the background plot, and it had all these parallels to "Alien" that were just stupid. I was so disappointed I almost cried. There are few enough scifi movies being made, and with the atrocities which are known as "SyFy Original Movies", gag-making piles of crap, we who love the genre are hard-put to find good fare. So these guys had like a bazillion dollars, could have had their pick of many excellent actors, had plenty of time (2 hours and 5 minutes or thereabouts) and it's still a piece of {!#%@}. And there's nothing any of us can do about, so I'm just barking in the wind. And what I really want to know, if anyone was able to glean a clue, is why those aliens wanted to destroy all the humans, when they were the ones who made them to begin with.

On a lighter note, I am a huge fan of several new TV shows, which may sound silly, but if you give them a chance I don't think you will be disappointed. "Once Upon a Time" and "Grimm" are fairy-tale based stories, "Haven" is a lighter version of "The X-Files" centered in a weird town in Maine and based on Steven King's story "The Colorado Kid". And then there's "Fringe", which is in it's fifth season and, frankly, kind of reaching for new plots. Of course, we have "The Walking Dead", totally Awesome, and it started last night, I think. Then there are the so-so scifi shows, Like "Warehouse 13", "Sanctuary" and "Eureka". "Falling Skies" is not that great, even though I LOVED Noah Wyle in the Librarian movies. I haven't seen "Alphas" yet. But two really good shows were cancelled in their first season, "Flash Forward" and "The Event".

So there's my two cents. Or maybe more like fifteen...
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Postby Austin Harper » Tue Oct 16, 2012 4:55 pm

If you liked Flash Forward, I recommend the book by Robert J. Sawyer it was based on. The pacing in the book was much better because it focused more on finding out what happened. The main characters are all scientists, not FBI agents and there is no nefarious "Them" who caused it.
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Postby JO 753 » Tue Oct 16, 2012 8:23 pm

angawawa wrote:the story was jerky and confusing, even knowing the background plot, and it had all these parallels to "Alien" that were just stupid. I was so disappointed I almost cried.


You fell into the expectationz trap. Its wun uv the reazonz I strictly avoid seeing anything about moviez I alredy know Im going to watch. No commercialz, no previewz, no reviewz. ESPECIALLY FOR SEQUELZ!

I didnt like Empire Strikes Back the 1st time I saw it mainly due to watching previewz that made it look much more exciting and cauzing me to speculate about all sorts uv stuff. The muzik in particular seemed like a droning dirge.

But I went back and liked it progressively more each time I saw it.

On a lighter note, I am a huge fan of several new TV shows, which may sound silly, but if you give them a chance I don't think you will be disappointed...... But two really good shows were cancelled in their first season, "Flash Forward" and "The Event".


I've pretty much given up on trying new showz. Too much risk uv really likeing them and then sum pinhed executive will cancel it. Firefly being the best example, even tho I never saw it during the broadcast run.

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angawawa wrote:the story was jerky and confusing, even knowing the background plot, and it had all these parallels to "Alien" that were just stupid. I was so disappointed I almost cried.


You fell into the expectationz trap. Its wun uv the reazonz I strictly avoid seeing anything about moviez I alredy know Im going to watch. No commercialz, no previewz, no reviewz. ESPECIALLY FOR SEQUELZ!

I didnt like Empire Strikes Back the 1st time I saw it mainly due to watching previewz that made it look much more exciting and cauzing me to speculate about all sorts uv stuff. The muzik in particular seemed like a droning dirge.

But I went back and liked it progressively more each time I saw it.

On a lighter note, I am a huge fan of several new TV shows, which may sound silly, but if you give them a chance I don't think you will be disappointed...... But two really good shows were cancelled in their first season, "Flash Forward" and "The Event".


I've pretty much given up on trying new showz. Too much risk uv really likeing them and then sum pinhed executive will cancel it. Firefly being the best example, even tho I never saw it during the broadcast run.


I know! But I let myself get sucked in. On bad days I can be found crying over Firefly. Or getting very angry and tossing pillows.

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Major Malfunction wrote:As they're landing they mention atmospheric composition. About the same as Earth, but 3% carbon dioxide. Which according to the movie would kill you in a couple of minutes. Actually, you could potentially live in that atmosphere.


I had the same complaint, thinking theyd mistakenly sed dioxide wen it shoud hav been monoxide. I thot that carbon dioxide wuz sumthing like 10% uv the air we breath.

I wuz mistaken. Wiki carbon dioxide

So now I like the movie even more!
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No director's cut released yet?
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:45 pm

Prometheus is one of a handful of flicks that I can watch at any point as often as I surf upon it. Same for the whole Alien series and I am most anxious to see the PREQUEL to Prometheus as Theron goes to the Creators home planet. Hope its done half as well as the rest of the series. Great stuff. Much better than Star Trek or that other one.

Do I think life on earth was seeded from the outside by random asteroids or by Alien Species? = No. Its the same religious complaint I have: so.... where did THAT life come from?? No need to complicate it. Earth is "special" if not unique in being in the Goldilocks zone along with 15 other different special attributes like have an iron core, lots of water and so forth. Magic enough for me.

Ha, ha. The final thoughts in the Anthropocene. We coulda been great.

Late Edit: I guess the Home Planet really would be another sequel to Prometheus, just a Prequel to the Alien series. Space/Time.... still working on my coordinates.
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No, but there are several fanedits available that use some of the deleted footage.
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Austin Harper wrote:No, but there are several fanedits available that use some of the deleted footage.

Where is the deleted footage, please?
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I think I herd sumthing about Prometheus being pretty much az Ridley wanted it, thus no directorz cut.
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JO 753 wrote:
Major Malfunction wrote:As they're landing they mention atmospheric composition. About the same as Earth, but 3% carbon dioxide. Which according to the movie would kill you in a couple of minutes. Actually, you could potentially live in that atmosphere.


I had the same complaint, thinking theyd mistakenly sed dioxide wen it shoud hav been monoxide. I thot that carbon dioxide wuz sumthing like 10% uv the air we breath.

I wuz mistaken. Wiki carbon dioxide

So now I like the movie even more!

3% carbon dioxide is supposed to be tolerable for up to 1 month, according to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercapnia#Tolerance

But at that level, it can cause drowsiness, mild narcosis, reduced hearing, and increased heart rate and blood pressure.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Prometheus is one of a handful of flicks that I can watch at any point as often as I surf upon it. Same for the whole Alien series and I am most anxious to see the PREQUEL to Prometheus as Theron goes to the Creators home planet.

Wouldn't that be a sequel?

And let's face it. The movie sucked donkey dicks. It wash a slapdash mishmash of folderol loaded with plot holes and non sequiters hung together by a frail thread.

Lots of potential, but utterly unrealized.

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Postby JO 753 » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:59 am

Gord wrote:3% carbon dioxide is supposed to be tolerable for up to 1 month, according to wikipedia:


OK, I will lower my liking level back down.
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Went in not expecting a plot or coherence. Enjoyed the eye-candy. Mission accomplished.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Went in not expecting a plot or coherence. Enjoyed the eye-candy. Mission accomplished.

Me too. But I mostly enjoyed hanging the crap and taking the piss. That's a quality crap movie that you can remember for years and years how crap it was, and especially discuss the minutiae of the crap at length. That's an especially standout crap movie right there. It deserves a place on Mystery Science Theater 3000.
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Re: Prometheus

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Went in not expecting a plot or coherence. Enjoyed the eye-candy. Mission accomplished.

Me too. But I mostly enjoyed hanging the crap and taking the piss. That's a quality crap movie that you can remember for years and years how crap it was, and especially discuss the minutiae of the crap at length. That's an especially standout crap movie right there. It deserves a place on Mystery Science Theater 3000.

Oh, we watched "Santa Claus Conquers the Martians" on Christmas. :lol:
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I was always partial to the documentary:

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ElectricMonk wrote:I was always partial to the documentary:

"Mom and Dad Save the World" ...

Not stupid enough for me. "The Planet of Prehistoric Monsters" was better. Soviet movie dubbed into English and Basil Rathbone thrown in to confuse things.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:48 pm

Harte wrote:
bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Prometheus is one of a handful of flicks that I can watch at any point as often as I surf upon it. Same for the whole Alien series and I am most anxious to see the PREQUEL to Prometheus as Theron goes to the Creators home planet.

Wouldn't that be a sequel?

And let's face it. The movie sucked donkey dicks. It wash a slapdash mishmash of folderol loaded with plot holes and non sequiters hung together by a frail thread.

Lots of potential, but utterly unrealized.

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Glad I made my late edit, hours before your post. Maybe you paid as much attention to the film as you have this thread?

For my education: what plot holes and non sequiturs ruined this film for you? I don't watch films for such issues but do get grumpy when they are noticed. None come to mind for Prometheus.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Fri Jan 22, 2016 2:53 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:For my education: what plot holes and non sequiturs ruined this film for you? I don't watch films for such issues but do get grumpy when they are noticed. None come to mind for Prometheus.

FFS, read the thread.
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My objection is the crude way Charlize was used to show that a centrist position is untenable.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jan 22, 2016 3:30 pm

MM- totally correct. I came late and forgot to look. I apologize.

1. And how many three-storey buildings can you jump off, how many cross-country kilometres can you run, and how many giant, angry alien beasts can you defeat immediately after a caesarean and a couple shots of morphine? /// The whole cesarean was accomplished by advanced technology not subject to todays evaluation. Maybe it made her stronger than before just as a side benefit? A total quibble when the whole frame is science fiction IN THE FUTURE.

These are plot holes no number of movies could possibly answer, because they're entirely stupid. And that's just a sample. /// Your example above is not a plot hole but an issue of credibility. Different issues. Lets continue the review:

2. They remembered to wear their helmets where appropriate. Which is about the limit of the 'hard' sci-fi exhibited in this movie. //// Yea, thats a most common CONVENTION for almost all space movies. Can't pay actors millions of dollars and then not see their faces. Same with breathable air and gravity and so forth. Its like heros not getting shot by bad buy bullets and hardly ever missing with their own...unless the plot demands. YES...all these conventions when excessive can ruin a film. I am "tolerant" of the ones mentioned so far.

3. Did any one catch that she should be dead due to lack of oxygen? She got in the ship with 30 sec remaining and then went back outside to find headless droid. Did I miss something? /// Now there is a plot hole. Evidently answered with canisters.

4. I'm complaining about the state of modern films in general. They've seriously, and quite literally, lost the plot. /// I agree. Emphasis now on explosions, gun or sword fights, .... and yet some nice special effects seen and appreciated totally separate from the rest of the film.

5. Anyway, that alien dude apparently drank some nano-tech potion that broke-down his DNA and reformed it, thereby seeding the Earth with life. Why, with that kind of technology, he had to sacrifice himself instead of just dropping a seed pod from orbit, I suppose will never be explained. It's more dramatic? /// Yes...actually no reason for any Alien to leave their home planet. Much cheaper and effective to simply send DNA to distant planets by capsules alone. The personal sacrifice of dying to start life on a planet?...... kinda a religious reference if you stop to think about it. Every element/scene in a movie "could be different." But you go to war with the army you have.

............ well, thats enough.

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Re: Prometheus

Postby Austin Harper » Fri Jan 22, 2016 5:51 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Austin Harper wrote:No, but there are several fanedits available that use some of the deleted footage.

Where is the deleted footage, please?

They're on the DVD/Blu-ray.
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Re: Prometheus

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sat Jan 23, 2016 1:31 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Not stupid enough for me. "The Planet of Prehistoric Monsters" was better. Soviet movie dubbed into English and Basil Rathbone thrown in to confuse things.
The original Russian 1962 film is actually done as "straight science" and was a copy of "Destination Moon" an earlier USA film, done as "straight science".
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I liked the fact we could all talk about The Martian" because it was also sort of "straight science".


When I was young, I would watch lots of B-Grade science fiction film on television. There were many scenes that stuck in my head, although I have no knowledge, today, of what those films actually were called. Sadly, as independent studios, who made early science fictions movies, went bankrupt, the prints of these movies have probably been lost.
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