So It Now Appears We Are Descended From Rats

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So It Now Appears We Are Descended From Rats

Postby Phoenix76 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:50 am

It is generally accepted that the human race is descended from the Ape family, but a team of scientists digging in the cliffs at Dorset England have found teeth from what is called the Eutherian.

Eutherians are the group that led ultimately, evolutionarily, to the placental mammals, of which we're one, as well as blue whales and pygmy shrews," said study lead author Steven Sweetman, a paleontologist at the University of Portsmouth in England.


So there you have it, these Eutherians have led to placental mammals which include us. Unfortunately, at this stage, they cannot go back further and ascertain the origin of the Eutherians as there is no fossil evidence. The fossils found here are 145 million years old, being there oldest link to humans.

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Re: So It Now Appears We Are Descended From Rats

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Nov 10, 2017 2:03 am

Phoenix76 wrote:It is generally accepted that the human race is descended from the Ape family, but a team of scientists digging in the cliffs at Dorset England have found teeth from what is called the Eutherian.


That not right. Apes and other mammals are also Eutherian that descended from these early "rats" 145 million years ago . Hominids separated from Apes only 7 million years ago when two ape chromosomes combined to make one human chromosome. That's why apes have 48 chromosomes and humans have 46 chromosomes.

We always knew mammals had a small common ancestor from some point either when dinosaurs were dying out or had already left the stage....otherwise whales wouldn't make sense. :D

(Some species of whales, are still born with legs as an evolutionary legacy.)

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Nov 10, 2017 3:50 am

A while back there was a popular book called "The Fish in Us All."........goes all the way back to first life. We are but pond scum.
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Postby Phoenix76 » Fri Nov 10, 2017 9:32 am

Yes Matthew, you are correct. But I think you have misinterpreted my thoughts.

I am not suggesting that Apes etc are not Eutherian. All I'm saying is that most rational people accept that we have descended from Apes in some way or another, but here is a study that suggests a line prior to Apes etc.

I have no argument about our separation from Apes. That is not the tenor of my post. I simply wish to provide information that shows the lineage before Apes.

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Postby ElectricMonk » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:10 pm

My ancestor was this proto-eucaryote.
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Postby gorgeous » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:27 pm

speak for yourself....I am not a rat or ape
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Nov 10, 2017 1:47 pm

Mammals switched to daytime activity after dinosaur extinction
Date: November 6, 2017
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Summary: Mammals only started being active in the daytime after non-avian dinosaurs were wiped out about 66 million years ago (mya), finds a new study.

Mammals only started being active in the daytime after non-avian dinosaurs were wiped out about 66 million years ago (mya), finds a new study led by UCL and Tel Aviv University's Steinhardt Museum of Natural History.

A long-standing theory holds that the common ancestor to all mammals was nocturnal, but the new discovery reveals when mammals started living in the daytime for the first time. It also provides insight into which species changed behaviour first.

The study, published today in Nature Ecology & Evolution, analysed data of 2415 species of mammals alive today using computer algorithms to reconstruct the likely activity patterns of their ancient ancestors who lived millions of years ago.

Two different mammalian family trees portraying alternative timelines for the evolution of mammals were used in the analysis. The results from both show that mammals switched to daytime activity shortly after the dinosaurs had disappeared. This change did not happen in an instant -- it involved an intermediate stage of mixed day and night activity over millions of years, which coincided with the events that decimated the dinosaurs.

"We were very surprised to find such close correlation between the disappearance of dinosaurs and the beginning of daytime activity in mammals, but we found the same result unanimously using several alternative analyses," explained lead author, PhD student Roi Maor (Tel Aviv University and UCL).


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gorgeous wrote:speak for yourself....I am not a rat or ape

You're a reptilian!
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Postby Phoenix76 » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:12 am

gorgeous wrote:speak for yourself....I am not a rat or ape


Well Gorgeous, that is purely your uninformed thought. But, let's accept what you say, then just "What Are You"?

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:52 am

Phoenix76 wrote:
gorgeous wrote:speak for yourself....I am not a rat or ape


Well Gorgeous, that is purely your uninformed thought. But, let's accept what you say, then just "What Are You"?

He's a fairy. 8-)
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Nov 11, 2017 11:28 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:

Mammals only started being active in the daytime after non-avian dinosaurs were wiped out about 66 million years ago (mya), finds a new study led by UCL and Tel Aviv University's Steinhardt Museum of Natural History. ...




So that is why I get up at 2am?

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TJrandom wrote:
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Mammals only started being active in the daytime after non-avian dinosaurs were wiped out about 66 million years ago (mya), finds a new study led by UCL and Tel Aviv University's Steinhardt Museum of Natural History. ...




So that is why I get up at 2am?

I used to get up at 4 am, no point in trying to sleep past that time. But after some hard work and dedication I now wake up at 3:30 am. :|
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Postby Austin Harper » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:09 pm

Try staying up until 4:00 am and see how that affects things.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:21 pm

Austin Harper wrote:Try staying up until 4:00 am and see how that affects things.

I was in the Navy. That kind of {!#%@} wasn't unusual.
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Postby gorgeous » Sat Nov 11, 2017 4:22 pm

you can give yourself repeated suggestions that you will sleep until a certain time...it can work...
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Postby Gord » Sat Nov 11, 2017 10:43 pm

We're all descended from fish.
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Postby Phoenix76 » Sun Nov 12, 2017 9:16 am

Except Gorgeous. That would be an insult to fish.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Nov 12, 2017 12:18 pm

Phoenix76 wrote:Except Gorgeous. That would be an insult to fish.

It's descended from a long line of dead fish.
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