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Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:00 am

seth-------“… you must be taught and trained to create responsibly. Yours is a training system for emerging consciousness.”

“You are learning to be co-creators. You are learning to be gods as you now understand the term. You are learning responsibility- the
responsibility of any individualized consciousness. You are learning to handle the energy that is yourself, for creative purposes.”
--------------------“(After death) you will find yourself in another form, an image that will appear physical to you to a large degree, as long as you do not try to
manipulate within the physical system with it.”--------------------You will reincarnate whether or not you believe that you will. It is much easier if your theories fit reality; but if they do not, you will not change the
nature of reincarnation one iota.” (From the book: THE SETH MATERIAL)

“When I tell you that you lived, for example, in 1836, I say this because it makes sense to you now. You live all of your reincarnations at once, but
you find this difficult to understand.” (From the book: THE SETH MATERIAL)
--------------------------------As I have said before, time as you think of it does not exist.”

“The settings in your physical environment…the physical aspects of life as you know it, are all camouflages.

The brain is a camouflage pattern. It takes up space. It exists in time. The mind takes up no space, it does not have its basic existence in time.
The reality of the inner universe does not take up space, nor does it have its basic existence in time. Your camouflage universe, on the other
hand, takes up space and has an existence in time, but it is not the real and basic universe, any more than the brain is the mind.

Your idea of space is some completely erroneous conception of an emptiness to be filled... True inner space is to the contrary vital energy, itself
alive, possessing abilities or transformation, forming all existences, even the camouflage reality with which you are familiar, and which you
attempt to probe so ineffectively.

This basic universe of which I speak expands constantly in terms of intensity and quality and value, in a way that has nothing to do with your idea
of space. The basic universe beneath all camouflage does not have existence in space at all, as you envision it... Space is a camouflage... ”
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seth-----------We are individualized portions of energy, materialized within physical existence, to learn to form ideas from energy, and make them physical (this is idea construction). We project ideas into an object, so that we can deal with it. But the object is the thought, materialized. This physical representation of idea permits us to learn the difference between the "I" who thinks and the thought. Idea construction teaches the "I" what it is, by showing it its own products in a physical manner. We learn by viewing our own creations, in other words. We learn the power and effects of ideas by changing them into physical realities; and we learn responsibility in the use of creative energy...

The entity is the basic self, immortal, nonphysical. It communicates on an energy level with other entities, and has an almost inexhaustible supply of energy at its command. The individual is the portion of the whole self that we manage to express physically.....

The eye projects and focuses the inner image (idea) onto the physical world in the same manner that a motion-picture camera transfers an image onto a screen. The mouth creates words. The ears create sound. The difficulty in understanding this principle is due to the fact that we've taken it for granted that the image and sound already exist for the senses to interpret. Actually the senses are the channels of creation by which idea is projected into material expression.

The basic idea is that the senses are developed, not to permit awareness of an already existing material world, but to create it...

The subconscious is the threshold of idea's emergence into the individual conscious mind. It connects the entity and the individual... The physical body is the material construction of the entity's idea of itself under the properties of matter... Instinct is the minimum ability for idea construction necessary for physical survival... The present is the apparent point of any idea's emergence into physical matter.
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

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seth--------------The entity is in contact with other entities at a subconscious area.

After death, the entity will have its ghost images (memories) at its command, though their apparent sequence will no longer apply.

Memories are properties of the subconscious energy entity and,as such, are indestructible (though they may be unavailable to the individual under various circumstances).

The next plane of existence will involve further training in energy use and manipulation, since the energy of which the entity is composed is self-generating and always seeking more complicated form and awareness.

Each material particle is an idea construction formed by the individualized bits of energy that compose it.

*Each entity perceives only his own construction on a physical level.

* Because all constructions are more or less faithful reproductions in matter of the same basic ideas (since all individuals are, generally speaking, on the same level in this plane), then they agree sufficiently in space, time and degree so that the world of appearances has coherence and relative predictability.
--------------------------------... you project your own energy out to form the physical world. Therefore, to change your world, it is yourself you must change. You must change what you project.
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:11 am

Now she's invoking Murdock. :-P
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What? Why?

Am I to pick through this word salad?

:roll: :befuddled: :jaded:

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Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:30 am

From “The Early Sessions:” ---Seth by Jane Roberts--------------

“The child must mature, and your system is a maturing ground, a very primary one…. A beginning school…”

“The human race is a stage though which various forms of consciousness travel. Before you can be allowed into systems of reality that are more extensive and open, you must first learn to handle energy and see, through physical materialization, the concrete result of thought and emotion.”

“In more advanced systems, thoughts, and emotions are automatically and immediately translated into action, into whatever approximation of matter there exists. Therefore, the lessons must be taught and learned well. The responsibility for creation must be clearly understood.”
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:31 am

K, some comment would be good, gorgeous. Otherwise it looks a darn lot like spam.
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:33 am

On perception

“You seem to perceive exclusively through your physical senses, and yet you have only to extend your egotistical idea of reality, and you will find even your egotistical self accepting quite readily the existence of nonphysical information.

“As it does, so its own ideas of its own nature will automatically change and expand, for you will have removed limitations to its growth. Now, any act of perception changes the perceiver, and so the soul, considered as a perceiver, must also change. There are no real divisions between the perceiver and the thing seemingly perceived. In many ways the thing perceived is an extension of the perceiver. This may seem strange, but all acts are mental, or if you prefer, psychic acts. This is an extremely simple explanation; but the thought creates the reality. Then the creator of the thought perceives the object, and he does not understand the connection between him and this seemingly separate thing.”

Seth Speaks
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----------------------------------------------Consciousness is, among other things, a spontaneous exercise in creativity. You are learning now, in a three-dimensional context, the ways in which your emotional and psychic existence can create varieties of physical form. You manipulate within the psychic environment, and these manipulations are then automatically impressed upon the physical mold.

Seth, Seth Speaks, Session 515
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:34 am

what do you think about seth's teachings? good stuff....
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Discussed and dismissed.
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Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:41 am

It is interesting...when people have asked the grey aliens 'what is the Earth?'...the answer from the greys and other more knowledgeable beings is always the same....'the Earth is a school'......seth may have been right........
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Right about what? Use your own words.
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:49 am

right that the Earth is a school for souls in manipulating energy...actions, thoughts, emotions, words, ideas, beliefs------energy
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby Poodle » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:49 am

gorgeous wrote:... 'the Earth is a school'...


So is a whole lot of fish. Where is this going?

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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:54 am

do you have no desire to understand why you are here and how our life works?
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Postby clarsct » Fri Jan 23, 2015 1:58 am

Okay, let's have a go of it from the top.
Who or what the smurf is "Seth"?
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Seth was a spirit Jane Roberts channeled,,,he said he knew Roberts and her husband in previous lives....they greatly resisted Seth when he first came through, but soon liked what he had to say ...the Seth manuscripts are now in a university library as part of their collection....
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gorgeous, are you prepared to show valid evidence for any claims you might be making?
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Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:05 am

seth basically says as Einstein did that there is no time, all time is simultaneous and we live in multiple dimensions simultaneously.....physical life is just one small part of our existence....
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Einstein said that? Which Einstein?

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K, convince us that Seth exists (or existed), please.
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The distinction between past, present and future is an illusion, but a very persistent one.”
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Postby Poodle » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:24 am

"Now he has departed from this strange world a little ahead of me. That means nothing. People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between past, present, and future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion."

- The full quotation from Albert Einstein, from a letter to the family of a friend who had just died. It's a sort of comforting thing to say. Albert Einstein developed the concept of spacetime - the space/time continuum. He did not do away with either time or space - he merely looked at it in a different and revolutionary way.

Gorgeous, I feel, as scrmbldggs has suggested, that you are not aware of the meaning of scientific skepticism.

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Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:37 am

ok, but what do all of you think of seth's teachings? interesting?
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You are asking us to accept and assess someone's writings on sheer faith.

Let's begin at the beginning: Can you prove the reality of Seth?
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:49 am

no I can't prove Seth was a reality...can you prove you exist?....do any of you think the seth teachings are accurate?
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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 23, 2015 2:57 am

Probably as accurate as Harry Potter's spells.


Sorry, gorgeous. Please understand that it is useless to contemplate the "teachings" of a fictional being. Jane Roberts might have been a person of flesh and blood, so was Helen Schucman, or Max Heindel. That does not mean that what they said was factual.
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:18 am

perhaps you are scared that they might be accurate....
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:26 am

gorgeous wrote:perhaps you are scared that they might be accurate....


What has been the most accurate prediction of Seth, according to your research?

Please set this out in detail and supply a link.

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Um.

Okay. Seth is a spirit.

Skepticism is about empirical data. I have a ball. I look at it, see it, touch it, bounce it, and get all the subjective sensations of a ball, ie, round, smooth, soft or hard, et cetera. But then I compare my subjective experience with someone else. They examine the ball, and form their own conclusions. Eventually, if I want to communicate a ball to someone else, say over a long distance, mass communication device, I must develop a way for the person at the other end, whomever it may be, to reconstruct what I say a ball is. We could describe surface area or volume, diameter or radius, elasticity coefficients, building materials, and so forth. But, in the end, if the guy on the other side cannot draw or build a ball that is, more or less, a copy of what I had in mind, then my ball is simply a subjective experience. In order for my subjective experience to be objective, it must be able to be reproduced.

So, how do I reproduce the exact experience of this spirit? That works every time, and is preferably legal?

This is what we call providing proof or evidence.
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gorgeous wrote:perhaps you are scared that they might be accurate....

Oops, quoting you I also thanked you. And why not? :-D

No, I'm not scared that they might be accurate. (What's with the fear thing?) I would be more concerned with abandoning reason and accepting hogwash on someone's say-so.

Matthew asked you to tell us and confirm what you learned. I'm curious as to what you might offer.
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clarsct wrote:Um.

Okay. Seth is a spirit.

Skepticism is about empirical data. I have a ball. I look at it, see it, touch it, bounce it, and get all the subjective sensations of a ball, ie, round, smooth, soft or hard, et cetera. But then I compare my subjective experience with someone else. They examine the ball, and form their own conclusions. Eventually, if I want to communicate a ball to someone else, say over a long distance, mass communication device, I must develop a way for the person at the other end, whomever it may be, to reconstruct what I say a ball is. We could describe surface area or volume, diameter or radius, elasticity coefficients, building materials, and so forth. But, in the end, if the guy on the other side cannot draw or build a ball that is, more or less, a copy of what I had in mind, then my ball is simply a subjective experience. In order for my subjective experience to be objective, it must be able to be reproduced.

So, how do I reproduce the exact experience of this spirit? That works every time, and is preferably legal?

This is what we call providing proof or evidence.

so only physical proof is acceptable? can you prove you exist?
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scrmbldggs wrote:
gorgeous wrote:perhaps you are scared that they might be accurate....

Oops, quoting you I also thanked you. And why not? :-D

No, I'm not scared that they might be accurate. (What's with the fear thing?) I would be more concerned with abandoning reason and accepting hogwash on someone's say-so.

Matthew asked you to tell us and confirm what you learned. I'm curious as to what you might offer.

--------------------------------seth says we can give our bodies messages on health issues, I have and had good results...will have to see if I can find a seth quote on it...
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In light of this:

gorgeous wrote:seth-----------
The eye projects and focuses the inner image (idea) onto the physical world in the same manner that a motion-picture camera transfers an image onto a screen...

...This is an extremely simple explanation; but the thought creates the reality. Then the creator of the thought perceives the object, and he does not understand the connection between him and this seemingly separate thing.”


how do you (or Seth) explain that we are looking at and perceiving the exact same image of this page?
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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 23, 2015 4:37 am

gorgeous wrote:perhaps you are scared that they might be accurate....

Forgot to add earlier that they can't all be accurate, since their stories are quite different from each other.

Would "Seth" now say that a few are perceiving this same world in different ways?
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gorgeous wrote:
clarsct wrote:Um.

Okay. Seth is a spirit.

Skepticism is about empirical data. I have a ball. I look at it, see it, touch it, bounce it, and get all the subjective sensations of a ball, ie, round, smooth, soft or hard, et cetera. But then I compare my subjective experience with someone else. They examine the ball, and form their own conclusions. Eventually, if I want to communicate a ball to someone else, say over a long distance, mass communication device, I must develop a way for the person at the other end, whomever it may be, to reconstruct what I say a ball is. We could describe surface area or volume, diameter or radius, elasticity coefficients, building materials, and so forth. But, in the end, if the guy on the other side cannot draw or build a ball that is, more or less, a copy of what I had in mind, then my ball is simply a subjective experience. In order for my subjective experience to be objective, it must be able to be reproduced.

So, how do I reproduce the exact experience of this spirit? That works every time, and is preferably legal?

This is what we call providing proof or evidence.

so only physical proof is acceptable? can you prove you exist?


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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby Poodle » Fri Jan 23, 2015 11:21 am

gorgeous wrote:so only physical proof is acceptable? can you prove you exist?


Rene Descartes ... Cogito ergo sum.

"Accordingly, seeing that our senses sometimes deceive us, I was willing to suppose that there existed nothing really such as they presented to us; and because some men err in reasoning, and fall into paralogisms, even on the simplest matters of geometry, I, convinced that I was as open to error as any other, rejected as false all the reasonings I had hitherto taken for demonstrations; and finally, when I considered that the very same thoughts (presentations) which we experience when awake may also be experienced when we are asleep, while there is at that time not one of them true, I supposed that all the objects (presentations) that had ever entered into my mind when awake, had in them no more truth than the illusions of my dreams. But immediately upon this I observed that, whilst I thus wished to think that all was false, it was absolutely necessary that I, who thus thought, should be somewhat; and as I observed that this truth, I think, therefore I am, was so certain and of such evidence that no ground of doubt, however extravagant, could be alleged by the sceptics capable of shaking it, I concluded that I might, without scruple, accept it as the first principle of the philosophy of which I was in search."

Maybe not the best proof, but certainly a good response to the very weak "You can't prove you exist so I can make up any old {!#%@}" argument.

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Postby Monster » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:37 pm

gorgeous wrote:do you have no desire to understand why you are here and how our life works?

I know why I'm here. I don't fully know how life works, but I have a good idea. I suspect you mean something else than what I'm thinking.

gorgeous wrote:It is interesting...when people have asked the grey aliens 'what is the Earth?'...the answer from the greys and other more knowledgeable beings is always the same....'the Earth is a school'......seth may have been right........

Wow, that's interesting. Nowhere have I seen in sci fi anyone asking the Greys "What is the Earth". Someone should write a story about that. Maybe.

I haven't read all the Seth text that you wrote. Actually, I didn't read any of it. Sorry. I'll try read it sometime.
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Re: Seth teachings by Jane Roberts

Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 23, 2015 3:51 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:In light of this:

gorgeous wrote:seth-----------
The eye projects and focuses the inner image (idea) onto the physical world in the same manner that a motion-picture camera transfers an image onto a screen...

...This is an extremely simple explanation; but the thought creates the reality. Then the creator of the thought perceives the object, and he does not understand the connection between him and this seemingly separate thing.”


how do you (or Seth) explain that we are looking at and perceiving the exact same image of this page?

--------------------------I don't know...I haven't delved into philosophy of mind a great deal.....but there is the concept of collective unconsciousness-----all minds are connected on an unconscious level...maybe that is how.....
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