The Logical Flaws in Christian Theology

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Re: The Logical Flaws in Christian Theology

Postby TazAnastazio » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:54 am

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote:I've posted that Original Sin is a Lie, but I thought I'd start a thread for the logical lacunae in the theology. So, here's one to start the ball rolling...

Christianity teaches that Heaven is a place of eternal reward for the faithful who heed the word of God, while Hell is a place of eternal torture for the unfaithful who disobey the word of God. It teaches that God is good, while Satan is evil...that God gave humans free will and doesn't interfere, but Satan actively intervenes to tempt humans to commit sins.

Here's the flaw: If Satan is God's adversary, why would he punish humans for doing his bidding?

There are two ways to resolve the logical flaw:
EITHER Hell is not a place of eternal torture, but is a place of eternal reward for sinners, and the whole "eternal torture" schtick is merely God's propaganda.
OR God has Dissociative Identity Disorder, and the Satan personality is really God, punishing sinners under a different name.


What are you assuming Satan's motivation to be? Does the grifter reward his victim?
Haven't you heard of the No True Satan fallacy?


Nikki Nyx wrote:Here's the flaw: If Satan is God's adversary, why would he punish humans for doing his bidding?


Assuming that said existence is not just a figure of speech in a biblical analogy to represent human weakness / inability to control our emotions to a point we generate negativity to others, society, the environment etc. ; since every existence serves a purpose (within the Infinite :D ), this existence may had decided not to want to serve its purpose any more; refusing to further doing so, meant "rebellion" against the will of God. By doing that this existence lost its long existing ability and realising that, it decided to follow a path of destruction till it was time for its own demise. There may be a non figurative existence of hell, as a place of " reckoning " / " repentance " for those whose selfish acts went beyond the bounds; some may get another chance to existing and serve a new purpose, have a new role within the Infinite, after "they did their time " / being " rehabilitated " / " learned their lesson " so they would not act in the same manner in the future, as opposed to not exist at all. While in hell the devil being the most powerful entity, takes it upon himself to torture everybody else, before his time to be disolved to particle stuff ( infinite minute level ) and be recycled back to infinity. "Caveat" : This is just a theoritical contemplation, not what I believe went on :D
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Re: The Logical Flaws in Basic spelling

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:46 am

TazAnastazio wrote:There may be a non figurative existence of hell, as a place of reconning for those whose selfish acts went beyond the bounds;


Dictionary : "Reconning" : US Slang short for reconnaissance.

So you can look for even more selfish acts in Hell. Thanks for the tip, :lol:

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Re: The Logical Flaws in Christian Theology

Postby Phoenix76 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:21 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Phoenix76 wrote: Nikki, the most logical flaw in Christian Theology is simply that god does not exist, other than in the minds of those that grasp for an explanation of what life is all about.

Thats not a logical flaw. Thats a factual error.


Yes Bobbo, you're quite correct. Just answering in terms of the subject of the thread.

I just find it hard to accept that we have so many people writing threads on a skeptics forum that look to the existence of a god to support their theories. Sure, we will always have the likes of Georgeous et al, but their numbers are surprising.

Maybe they are just so blinded by their beliefs that they will use any medium available to them. But then again it gives us opportunity to hit back with real science, not that they will believe it, but maybe it makes us feel a little better by letting off steam.

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Re: The Logical Flaws in Christian Theology

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:29 pm

Phoenix: where else should wooist go? Religious sites simply agree with them. No reward there for smiting heathens.
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Re: The Logical Flaws in Christian Theology

Postby Dimebag » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:22 pm

There is the "problem of evil". Why does evil exist in the world god created? God is said to be omniscient (all seeing), omnipotent (all powerful), AND benevolent. However, this cannot logically be the case based on all the suffering and evil which exists. Therefore either god is omniscient, omnipotent, and malevolent (has ill will, which if we read the bible correctly seems to be the case at times), or god is NOT omnipotent, or omniscient, and or is incompetent.

When faced with this inconsistency, most defenders of religion tend to invoke the old "God works in mysterious ways" which explains nothing.

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Re: The Logical Flaws in Christian Theology

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:34 am

"God is said to be.............." is NOT in the bible, as best as i know, which is hardly at all.

The Epicurean Paradox is based on what a god "should be" in order to be a proper God. NOT what the bible describes at all. In the Bible, including the New Testament, he's just a fascist dictator.

Mind the gap.
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Re: The Logical Flaws in Christian Theology

Postby Dimebag » Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:06 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:"God is said to be.............." is NOT in the bible, as best as i know, which is hardly at all.

The Epicurean Paradox is based on what a god "should be" in order to be a proper God. NOT what the bible describes at all. In the Bible, including the New Testament, he's just a fascist dictator.

Mind the gap.

Agreed. The God of the bible is a truly human like God, shaped in OUR image. You can see the human like flaws in the character of God as described in the bible. The cruelty ,unjustness, jealousy, etc is a display of the worst human traits, and these traits are explained away as God working in mysterious ways. The Christian covers their trails with ignorance and blindness.


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