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Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby Bart Stewart » Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:58 pm

A towering figure of the Alabama intelligentsia, Jeff Sessions has referred to the separation of church and state as “extra-constitutional doctrine” and “a recent thing that is unhistorical and unconstitutional.”

So, how bad might things be getting under the Trump regime?

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Re: Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby ElectricMonk » Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:41 pm

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Re: Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby ahhell » Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:46 pm

He had a point, it is extra-constitutional, when talking about separation of church and state, defenders of the notion being enshrined in the constitution pretty much always refer to extra-constitutional material. For some time after the constitution was ratified, several states even continued to have established religions, which gradually went away but not due to lawsuits.

The 14th amendment changes that slightly.

Also, anybody that thinks that Sessions supported the Klan because of a 40 year old off color joke can not be trusted in anything they say about the man.

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Re: Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby Gord » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:52 am

ahhell wrote:Also, anybody that thinks that Sessions supported the Klan because of a 40 year old off color joke can not be trusted in anything they say about the man.

Like Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/fe ... ag-w460272
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Re: Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:56 am

ahhell wrote:He had a point, it is extra-constitutional, when talking about separation of church and state, defenders of the notion being enshrined in the constitution pretty much always refer to extra-constitutional material.


Whaaaaaaa? Its right there: The First Amendment. You can argue for your own interpretation of it, but NOT that "it" is not right there.

Just ....................... look.
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Re: Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Jan 14, 2017 1:48 am

Well the interpretation of it sure seems unconstitutional...

With my freedom of and from religion, I'd also like a special and tax exempt status, please. ( :no:)
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Re: Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:46 am

scrmbldggs wrote:Well the interpretation of it sure seems unconstitutional...

With my freedom of and from religion, I'd also like a special and tax exempt status, please. ( :no:)

Exactly. "What does it mean." NOT: its not in the constitution.
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Re: Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Feb 02, 2017 6:34 pm

Bart Stewart wrote:...So, how bad might things be getting under the Trump regime?...



Trump promised to “get rid of and totally destroy” the so-called Johnson amendment, a provision prohibiting tax-exempt organizations such as churches from publicly endorsing political candidates. He repeatedly pledged to repeal the amendment during his campaign, joking: “I figure that’s one way I’m getting to heaven.”

Trump did not announce an executive order expanding “religious freedom”, which some had expected him to do. On Wednesday night, the Investigative Fund and the Nation published what they said was a leaked draft proposal of the order, which could have allowed LGBTQ employees to be fired or refused service by individuals or companies professing a moral objection.
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Re: Separation of Church & State Unconstitutional

Postby ahhell » Thu Feb 02, 2017 8:01 pm

Gord wrote:
ahhell wrote:Also, anybody that thinks that Sessions supported the Klan because of a 40 year old off color joke can not be trusted in anything they say about the man.

Like Rolling Stone: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/fe ... ag-w460272

Yes, just like rolling stone trotting out a joke about the Klan as evidence of support for it.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
ahhell wrote:He had a point, it is extra-constitutional, when talking about separation of church and state, defenders of the notion being enshrined in the constitution pretty much always refer to extra-constitutional material.


Whaaaaaaa? Its right there: The First Amendment. You can argue for your own interpretation of it, but NOT that "it" is not right there.

Just ....................... look.
The constitution most certainly does not contain the phrase, "separation of church and state." It says, "Congress shall make no law respecting and establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof." This as been taken to mean separation of church and state and used to justify things like the IRS prohibiting political endorsements in church. And all sorts of folks to think that congressmen can't write legislation that is informed by their religious beliefs, neither of which is prohibited by the constitution. The constitution prohibits an established state religion and prohibits the government from banning most religions practices or any religion.


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