Finnegans wake; anyone read it?

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Finnegans wake; anyone read it?

Postby zeuzzz » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:26 pm

It took James Joyce 17 years to write. It seems to keep coming up in the circles I tend to circulate.

As if I should read it. There are even Joycean scholars whose careers are based mainly on analysis of this book.

Why should I read it? Or why should I not?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnegans_Wake
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Re: Finnegans wake; anyone read it?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:35 pm

Did you even read the wiki?

I tried to read Ulysses, couldn't do it.

You might like to try eating some mushrooms and having someone else read it to you at the same time?

Reminds me of the review of the screwdriver: "Good drink if you took out the fruit juice."
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Re: Finnegans wake; anyone read it?

Postby zeuzzz » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:41 pm

Yes I read all the wiki.

Was it the first thunder-word that put you off?

It's well explained here. It was only page three, after-all. Enough to put most people off; until you get into the meaning behind the letters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV3vT5nW_I4
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Re: Finnegans wake; anyone read it?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:55 pm

There are too many good books that will expand and change your mind that are relatively easy to read. My Vote for Best book Ever....(could be a thread?==probably is?) would be Catch 22 for its universal and humanitarian themes.

I don't like books that "play with the language." Its an artifice that gets in the way of the reading as far as I'm concerned. Just like I tend not to finish Jo's postings if they are too long.

That is the pleasure and joy of the artist, not easily transferred to the readers. I prefer my own pleasure and joys without the artifice.
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Re: Finnegans wake; anyone read it?

Postby zeuzzz » Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:56 pm

I'm reading it now. It's great.

... although it's taking 10x more time on each page than a standard phonetic alphabetical book does.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:09 pm

Two separate question to be answered now or as you discover in your readings:

1. What do you find enjoyable about the read?

2. What have you learned about yourself, society, from the read?

PLEASE: take your time...... be alive for the whole point of reading to begin with.
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Re: Finnegans wake; anyone read it?

Postby zeuzzz » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:18 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:1. What do you find enjoyable about the read?


The challenge. The global and not purely anglo-saxon English or time bound roots of the words used.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:2. What have you learned about yourself, society, from the read?

PLEASE: take your time...... be alive for the whole point of reading to begin with.


Well since I've only just starting reading it; not much overtly. But I can at least sense a trend behind his typographic endeavors, simply from the first few pages.

That societies use a culturally bound axiomatic scope of internal reference points that are more culturally bound that global.

I'll have to elaborate on that when I've finished the book. That is merely my first impression and inference of what I've read so far.

A lot of the thunderwords seem to be multi-lingual expressions of a single concept. Colloquially.
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Re: Finnegans wake; anyone read it?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:21 pm

zeuzzz wrote:That societies use a culturally bound axiomatic scope of internal reference points that are more culturally bound that global.

Very Joycean.
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