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Re: Discussion of SF new and old and etc.

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Oct 23, 2013 12:33 am

Scott the Aussie wrote: I have a collection of Soviet shorts edited by Gakin and "The Ugly Bioform", "The Sun Also Sets on Donomag" and "The Biggest House" are pretty special. Also "The World in which I died".
I'm Aussie and also read a lot of Russian science fiction and watch a lot of Eastern block SF movies. In Sydney and Melbourne, the old CCCP sponsored the "New World" book shops and these distributed ultra cheap translations of eastern block science fiction. British SF publishers also started to pump out Soviet SF anthologies in the 70s and 80s.

If you want I will link you to the four best soviet science fiction films which can be downloaded.

Of interest was the late 80's. Communism was weakening and eastern block production houses made lots of SF soft core porn to keep the plebs happy. Serious SF scripts would be mixed up with girls with big tits. I can also link you to some of these movies if you want but they generally don't have subtitles. Nice tits though.

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Post by Major Malfunction » Wed Oct 23, 2013 3:46 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:That been said....the director of Logan's Run from the 70's should be taken outside and shot without mercy.

No way! I love Logan's Run! It was ground-breaking for its time, but was sadly overshadowed by the release of Star Wars only a month later.

Also, Jenny Agutter nude.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:06 am

Major Malfunction wrote: No way! I love Logan's Run! It was ground-breaking for its time, but was sadly overshadowed by the release of Star Wars only a month later.
The book made sense. It was set across the whole world in normal cities that were falling apart through lack of maintenance. Citizens had to die at 21 years after a series of war called the ""Little wars". As no one ever matured, they kept the system going. The whole system was collapsing anyhow as food production had stopped.

The movie pushed it into the far future and is really based on "The City and the Stars" by A.C.Clarke and not Logan's Run.
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It had awful cheap special effects. The miniature of the city in the opening scene was filmed at normal speed and not slow motion. This was ignoring basic SFX knowledge. However the "glass paintings" or "matte paintings" were terrific.
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Major Malfunction wrote: Also, Jenny Agutter nude.
Nicholas Roeg hired Jenny Agutter for "Walkabout" as a 12 year old schoolgirl, but delayed the film for four years. It had unexpected results. .
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Post by Major Malfunction » Wed Oct 23, 2013 5:43 am

I love it for its intrinsic value. I loved the miniatures as well, they're so cheesy! :mrgreen: Tell me you wouldn't have loved something like that for a 'train set' as a kid!

And Jenny. I've got the hots for her bigtime. She certainly didn't mind getting her kit off, and appears nude in several movies, even a lesbian scene. I'll have to see if I can procure that for Ron. :wgrin:

I've seen Walkabout, I liked it as a kid, and had read the book. It's a sad and poignant story. I never knew Jenny was in it. Now I'll have to procure that too, and vet it for approval for my kids.

What were the unexpected results?
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:56 am

Major Malfunction wrote: What were the unexpected results?


Ummmm....errrrrrr Ummm....

Imagine I cast a twelve year old girl to play a schoolgirl and there is a nude swimming scene. Now imagine that I use a sixteen year old girl to play the same part. Do you think the audience would have the same reaction to the scene?

(I'm assuming you saw this film before "that change" happened to your body where hair grows in strange and mysterious places that you can't show your teacher)
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Post by Scrapheap » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:10 am

Major Malfunction wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:That been said....the director of Logan's Run from the 70's should be taken outside and shot without mercy.

No way! I love Logan's Run! It was ground-breaking for its time, but was sadly overshadowed by the release of Star Wars only a month later.

Also, Jenny Agutter nude.


Didn't they show Farrah Fawcett's tits too??

Those were the highlights of the movie.

If they didn't spoof this flick on Mystery Science Theater 3000 then they missed out.
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Post by Major Malfunction » Thu Oct 24, 2013 3:52 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Major Malfunction wrote: What were the unexpected results?


Ummmm....errrrrrr Ummm....

Imagine I cast a twelve year old girl to play a schoolgirl and there is a nude swimming scene. Now imagine that I use a sixteen year old girl to play the same part. Do you think the audience would have the same reaction to the scene?

From what I've read she was 16 when it was filmed in '69, and it was released in '71.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:00 am

Scrapheap wrote: Didn't they show Farrah Fawcett's tits too?

No. They should have. Instead they showed Farrah Fawcett attempting to act. Their aim was to punish the audience for paying to see "Logan's Run" :D

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Post by Daedalus » Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:03 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Scrapheap wrote: Didn't they show Farrah Fawcett's tits too?

No. They should have. Instead they showed Farrah Fawcett attempting to act. Their aim was to punish the audience for paying to see "Logan's Run" :D


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Post by kennyc » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:14 pm

Review of (re-release) Heinlein's Assignment in Eternity.

Why read old scifi? We’ve often heard this question kicked around in the darkened corners of science fiction conventions and on ye’ ole cyber webs. Hey, it’s true that we now live in an age where such red-letter sci-fi dates as 2001 and 1984 have come and gone… and even The Terminator’s Skynet was to have been long since operational by now.
But we would counter that even historical science fiction has its contemporary merit as a window into a generation’s hopes, dreams, and yes, even fears and anxieties. It’s quite possible that future historians will study the Hunger Games and Ender’s Game hoping to catch a glimpse of how we really perceived our expectations of the future.
It was this motivation that drove us to grab Robert A. Heinlein’s Assignment in Eternity out of the stack for review this week. Out from Baen Books this month as a reissue, Assignment in Eternity collects together some of Heinlein’s early “pulp” sci-fi under one cover. Fans will also remember our recent review of the controversial Heinlein classic Sixth Column, also out from Baen earlier this year.
Not only does Assignment in Eternity give you a look at the science fiction expectations of yesteryear, but it also provides the reader with a glimpse of “Heinlein before he was Heinlein.” A naval officer during World War II and an astute political and social commentator, Heinlein no less than single-handedly founded the subgenre of military science fiction. Some cite his Starship Troopers — a novel that still cries out for a proper remake, we’re sorry, the cheesy 1990’s flick doesn’t count — as “Star Wars before there was Star Wars.” Heck, we grew up on a steady diet of juvenile Heinlein sci-fi — again, the YA term for “Young Adult fiction” had yet to be coined — with novels such as Space Cadet and Farmer in the Sky.
Assignment in Eternity contains two of Heinlein’s short novelettes Gulf & Lost Legacy, as well as the early Heinlein short stories Jerry Was A Man and Elsewhen. You can see the foreshadowing and the early ideas in the near-future tale Gulf for what would later become the novel Friday, one of Heinlein’s signature and definitive works.
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http://astroguyz.com/2013/11/08/review- ... -heinlein/
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