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Re: USA 2020 Dem presidential candidate speculation thread.

Post by landrew » Fri Jul 13, 2018 8:29 pm

This is the age of fact-checking. How does anyone carry the excuse of believing in Trump based on what he says and does?
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Fri Jul 13, 2018 10:44 pm

landrew wrote:This is the age of fact-checking. How does anyone carry the excuse of believing in Trump based on what he says and does?
He is not Hillary. Period.

Or is he? :shockd:
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Post by landrew » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:21 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
landrew wrote:This is the age of fact-checking. How does anyone carry the excuse of believing in Trump based on what he says and does?
He is not Hillary. Period.

Or is he? :shockd:
Even the binary nature of tribal thinking is beginning to fail. All the Dems need to do is to run a few minutes of fact-checking Trump to win.
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:59 pm

landrew wrote:Even the binary nature of tribal thinking is beginning to fail. All the Dems need to do is to run a few minutes of fact-checking Trump to win.
Unless they find he performed abortions ...
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Post by TJrandom » Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:34 pm

Is that how abortions are performed... by grabbing p....?

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:52 pm

NO-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O !!!!!!!!!! :shockd:

Chelsea Clinton: I definitely may run for office
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Post by montgomery » Wed Oct 03, 2018 6:40 pm

The Dems really need the Bernie Sanders character mentality of complete change to socially responsible government. That is a change to include 'socialist' policies in the obvious places where it's the only solution that works.

The ordinary American has been driven down and excluded from the windfall of prosperity the 1 or 2% have stolen for their own enrichment. It's going to happen sooner or later and it now only depends on how long the people choose to suffer.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:07 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:
Wed Oct 03, 2018 5:52 pm
NO-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O-O !!!!!!!!!! :shockd:

Chelsea Clinton: I definitely may run for office
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:32 pm

Is Walter Mondale still alive?
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Post by TJrandom » Sun Oct 14, 2018 9:41 pm

A CNN article suggested that boring Biden might give Trump the win in 2020. Surely there is a better option than Biden?

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Post by scrmbldggs » Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:16 am

Captain Sully. :heh:
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:01 pm

It's Breitbart so skepticism advised, but here goes ...

Rapper Akon ‘Very Seriously’ Considering Challenging Trump in 2020
Rapper and R&B star Akon claimed in a recent interview that he is “very seriously” considering mounting a presidential bid in 2020.
“I’ve been thinking about running for 2020 very seriously,” Akon told Newsweek. “But I didn’t want to just do it because I feel like I want to continue doing what I’m doing and hope that builds me enough momentum [for people] to say, ‘You know what, if you run we’ll support you.'”

Akon, whose real name is Aliaune Damala Badara Thiam, was born in St. Louis, Missouri and spent much of his childhood in Senegal. The 45-year-old entrepreneur, who is developing plans for a futuristic cryptocurrency-run city in West Africa, suggested President Donald Trump’s immigration policies have help nudged him toward launching a White House run.

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Not a Democratic Party "regular" and not otherwise obviously evil.

Hmm. :mrgreen:
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Nov 05, 2018 3:49 pm

I might delude myself, but I think that a complete outsider would mesh with the Democratic party much better than any outsider would with the Republicans, who seem to be all convinced that government, and by extension parties, are optional.

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Post by gorgeous » Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:07 am

fox-------Michael Moore says Kamala Harris, Cory Booker won't defeat Trump, urges Dems to nominate Michelle Obama-------“We have to run a beloved American," he said. "Obama became beloved the night of that convention and he was beloved from that moment on. It’s got to be like a Michelle Obama or a Sully Sullenberger.”

“Why aren’t we thinking along the lines of ‘Who can defeat him?’ We will lose in 2020,” he added
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Post by ElectricMonk » Thu Nov 08, 2018 11:00 am

Democrats would be well-advised to keep their powder dry, for now (another reason why Avenatti is nothing but sideshow entertainment).
Depending on what Mueller and possible House Committee investigations uncover, Trump might be very vulnerable come 2020, or not even a candidate (he has something like $100 mil in campaign funds. and might just retire with it, given a Pardon).
The 2020 Campaign will look very different with or without a credible Trump run.

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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:38 am

Uh oh. Practically official now I guess. And none of that "unidentified source BS either.

Will their even be a primary?

Hillary Clinton will run for president again in 2020, former adviser says
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Hillary Clinton will run for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, according to a former adviser and a top Democrat in New York.

Mark Penn, a pollster and senior adviser to former President Bill Clinton and ex-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton from 1995-2008, and Andrew Stein, a former Manhattan Democratic party figure and New York City Council president, wrote Sunday in a Wall Street Journal opinion piece that the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee would not let "two stunning defeats stand in the way of her claim to the White House."

"Mrs. Clinton has come unbound. She will not allow this humiliating loss at the hands of an amateur to end the story of her career," Penn and Stein wrote of President Trump, explaining how Clinton would re-package herself as a more liberal "Hillary Clinton 4.0." "You can expect her to run for president once again. Maybe not at first, when the legions of Senate Democrats make their announcements, but definitely by the time the primaries are in full swing."

"Mrs. Clinton has a 75% approval rating among Democrats, an unfinished mission to be the first female president, and a personal grievance against Mr. Trump, whose supporters pilloried her with chants of 'Lock her up!' This must be avenged," the pair continued.

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And her program can be summed up in one word: revenge!
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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:11 am

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Post by Austin Harper » Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:19 am

I don't think this is a good idea. Hillary is a highly qualified candidate but the Democrats need to be seen moving forward, not reliving the past. She's been running unsuccessfully for years. Whether she's qualified or not, she's not popular with the general population.
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Post by TJrandom » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:21 am

Austin Harper wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:19 am
I don't think this is a good idea. Hillary is a highly qualified candidate but the Democrats need to be seen moving forward, not reliving the past. She's been running unsuccessfully for years. Whether she's qualified or not, she's not popular with the general population.
Indeed - I believe she would cause Democrats to vote for Trump.

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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:51 am

Both supporters and critics agree that Clinton is great at doing a job, but really shitty at running for it.
It is possible that Clinton had learned from past mistakes and has a really good campaign plan ready to go.

But it would be a really tough uphill battle. And Clinton might be the only Candidate who would benefit should Trump still be going strong at the end of his term.

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:03 am

TJrandom wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:21 am
Austin Harper wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:19 am
I don't think this is a good idea. Hillary is a highly qualified candidate but the Democrats need to be seen moving forward, not reliving the past. She's been running unsuccessfully for years. Whether she's qualified or not, she's not popular with the general population.
Indeed - I believe she would cause Democrats to vote for Trump.
But many more (former and current) Republicans wouldn't. :-P


(Ya think that some Trumplings are so...confused as to be registered as Democrats?)
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And all who paid any attention can attest to that there was very little rational governing and a whole lot of silly antics, fake outrage and drama that took up their taxpayer-funded well-paid time. Especially during the last 22 months or so...

And somehow I think the ACA and all that transpired since woke some people up...
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Post by Abdul Alhazred » Mon Nov 12, 2018 1:45 pm

TJrandom wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:21 am
Austin Harper wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 3:19 am
I don't think this is a good idea. Hillary is a highly qualified candidate but the Democrats need to be seen moving forward, not reliving the past. She's been running unsuccessfully for years. Whether she's qualified or not, she's not popular with the general population.
Indeed - I believe she would cause Democrats to vote for Trump.
I believe she already did to some degree.
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Post by landrew » Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:44 pm

I've heard it speculated that the Dems may have won if they hadn't sabotaged Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary.
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:00 pm

landrew wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:44 pm
I've heard it speculated that the Dems may have won if they hadn't sabotaged Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary.
I have heard the Moon Landing was a Hoax, so what's your point?

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Post by landrew » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:00 pm
landrew wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:44 pm
I've heard it speculated that the Dems may have won if they hadn't sabotaged Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary.
I have heard the Moon Landing was a Hoax, so what's your point?
My point is that the Dems may have sunk their own boat last election.
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Post by JO 753 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:13 pm

I think its a trajik story how Hillary haz been treated for her entire career. The stab in the back by Alexander Hamilton in 2016 wuz just the latest outraje.

However, she iz buried 10 feet under all the mud thats been slung at her by the Fox propaganda machine. Not a viable candidate for 2020. If the demz pick her agen it will enerjize Trump chumps bigly and he coud win 'fair & square' this time.

Or, everybody coud be so turned off by them both that I will emerj triumfantly az the most stunningly seksessful rite-in Independent candidate in history!!!! :D
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Post by ElectricMonk » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:26 pm

landrew wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm
ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:00 pm
landrew wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:44 pm
I've heard it speculated that the Dems may have won if they hadn't sabotaged Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary.
I have heard the Moon Landing was a Hoax, so what's your point?
My point is that the Dems may have sunk their own boat last election.
that is complete BS.

Any Democrat would have had a massive uphill battle after 8 years of Obama - it has been extremely rare in US history that a Party keeps the White House for three terms.
But Clinton would have made it if Putin hadn't criminally intervened, if Trump hadn't colluded and if Comey had been an actual investigator instead of a Clinton-hater.

Sanders simply didn't have the votes of Democrats or the DNC, which is free to pick its candidate.

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Post by JO 753 » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:34 pm

She shoud hav picked Bernie az her VP. That woud hav overpowered the Russian interferens.
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Post by landrew » Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:54 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:26 pm
landrew wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:02 pm
ElectricMonk wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 4:00 pm
landrew wrote:
Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:44 pm
I've heard it speculated that the Dems may have won if they hadn't sabotaged Bernie Sanders in favor of Hillary.
I have heard the Moon Landing was a Hoax, so what's your point?
My point is that the Dems may have sunk their own boat last election.
that is complete BS.

Any Democrat would have had a massive uphill battle after 8 years of Obama - it has been extremely rare in US history that a Party keeps the White House for three terms.
But Clinton would have made it if Putin hadn't criminally intervened, if Trump hadn't colluded and if Comey had been an actual investigator instead of a Clinton-hater.

Sanders simply didn't have the votes of Democrats or the DNC, which is free to pick its candidate.
Thanks for taking up the conjecture and offering your opinion.
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