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Re: It's the Donnydämmerung! (new Trump thread)

Post by scrmbldggs » Thu Jun 21, 2018 11:22 pm

Looks like Meadows shed his crocodile tears in vain and his "legislative solution" gambit is failing. Doesn't seem that his desired extreme immigration bill on steroids will ever get off the ground, not with the constant changes and further tightening the Fleadom Caucus keeps demanding.

Is it just me or are Dumpy's pets the least effective group on the hill?
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:26 am

Krauthammer: just a more skilled than average Republican strategist/propagandist very much in support of Trump.

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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:51 am

I've been puzzling over Melanie's role. She's no doubts a complete naif politically, but she has advisers (or perhaps keepers put in place by her husband to keep her in line). I don't know how much freedom of action she has, so I can only guess: Did she assert herself in this instance and threaten to make a scene unless she was allowed to do this? Or is the whole think orchestrated to distract attention from the horror of the administration's policies? Question remains: Is she Trump's pawn or cat's paw? Or does she have some room for her own initiatives. How we'd know, I'm not sure.

In other news, I have some small regrets at the passing of Charles Krauthammer, though he used to infuriate me with his blind conservatism. He was a man who suffered a lot, and at the end, he urged his readers/listeners not to vote for Trump, while saying at the same time that he could never vote for Clinton. Didn't do much good, but it was a sign of some integrity.
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The vermin only bring their little belongings - that's the rub, innit?
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Upton_O_Goode wrote: Didn't do much good, but it was a sign of some integrity.
Since when is short term lip service a sign of integrity?
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:06 pm

I guess I'm still not tired of winning. Or maybe I just don't know what Trump means by "winning." Take, for example, his tax cuts. I still have no idea what that is going to do to my taxes next year, but I do know that I will still itemize, since the standard deduction is less than I can deduct by itemizing, only now I won't be able to deduct what I paid in state income tax. So, I expect it will cost me a few hundred dollars next April.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:08 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:Looks like Meadows shed his crocodile tears in vain and his "legislative solution" gambit is failing. Doesn't seem that his desired extreme immigration bill on steroids will ever get off the ground, not with the constant changes and further tightening the Fleadom Caucus keeps demanding.

Is it just me or are Dumpy's pets the least effective group on the hill?
Well, Trump has so far proven to be less than adept at getting ANYTHING through Congress. What the GOP has passed has all been the fruit of efforts by Ryan and McConnell.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:12 pm

And rotten fruits at that. But no worries, he predicts a Red Wave for the midterms. Supported by a Red Dawn?
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Post by scrmbldggs » Sat Jun 23, 2018 1:20 am

Now he claims the motto of Dems is resist and the ones of Reptilians is produce. He's projecting again. Resisting produce is his kinda thing. :-P
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:21 am

scrmbldggs wrote:And rotten fruits at that. But no worries, he predicts a Red Wave for the midterms. Supported by a Red Dawn?

I gather the Repugnicants are upset the Trump told them to forget about the immigration bill. They seem to be less sanguine than Trump about their prospects this fall. I really, really hope they are right. For me, the Wall is a non-starter. It would be a wall of shame, an admission that my country cannot deal honestly and openly with its neighbors and has to isolate itself from the world.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sat Jun 23, 2018 11:26 am

So now we can understand the real reason why the US pulled out of the UNHRC. How dare anybody at the UN criticize us!
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Sun Jun 24, 2018 5:06 pm

The current box score on where we are in the world, from Project Syndicate.
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Post by TJrandom » Mon Jun 25, 2018 1:04 am

Upton_O_Goode wrote:So now we can understand the real reason why the US pulled out of the UNHRC. How dare anybody at the UN criticize us!
// ... the organization should instead focus on poverty in the third world. //

Erm.. isn’t that exactly what the UN did?

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Post by scrmbldggs » Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:01 pm

I have no doubt the children's basic needs are met, but they won't even allow access to the Red Cross? Where have I heard that before...
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scrmbldggs wrote:I have no doubt the children's basic needs are met, but they won't even allow access to the Red Cross? Where have I heard that before...
Rumors now circulate that the kids are indeed being held as hostages, and their parents are being told that they can have them back only if they agree to leave the country. So, after 17 months of deep embarrassment, Americans are now sunk to deep shame! This I didn't foresee, but I guess I should have done.

Meanwhile, in other areas of Presidential malfeasance, the markets are jittery again, but don't worry: Navarro is saying Trump won't do what Trump threatened to do. We'll see. I personally would not lament Navarro's exit from the political stage. The sooner the better.
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Post by TJrandom » Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:20 am

On climate change - a recent denier postulated that the earth’s axis has changed and this is the cause. Nothing to do with god’s creatures... hence Trump is right. As evidence she recalls a window where sunlight never before graced the floor, but now does. ‘God moves in mysterious ways...’. Lol

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TJrandom wrote:On climate change - a recent denier postulated that the earth’s axis has changed and this is the cause. Nothing to do with god’s creatures... hence Trump is right. As evidence she recalls a window where sunlight never before graced the floor, but now does. ‘God moves in mysterious ways...’. Lol
Well, of course, those snooty scientists, with their measuring instruments and (ugh!) theories don't know any more than people can see with their own eyes.

A little learning is a dangerous thing. It is true that long-term climate change is associated with changes in the eccentricity of the earth's orbit (changes that are primarily due to gravitational effects from Jupiter). But no, we haven't been pulled THAT far out of our normal orbit that quickly.

Does this woman live in Fatima? We know the sun does some fancy dancing there:
O Seculo wrote:Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bareheaded, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws — the sun ‘danced’ according to the typical expression of the people,
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:24 am

Well, well, now we've got video of the kids in the detention camp, and those videos are being played outside GOP rallies. Not that it will matter to Trump's base.

I've been intrigued by the fact that in the last real election held in Germany during the 1930s, the Nazis still got only about 38% of the vote. I begin to think that 40% is the dividing line in the population: 40% of the people are impatient with logic and facts, willing to embrace insane conspiracy theories, and will overlook (or applaud) atrocities, as long as they "win" in some sense; 60% tend to be reality-based, can see things from the point of view of other people, and have reasonably civilized codes of conduct for themselves and others. I wonder, is 60% enough? Probably depends on external circumstances.

Those circumstances had been bad in Germany but were getting better of their own accord when the Nazis came to power. It appears from reporting and history that the Nazis went on to get overwhelming approval from the population; but as no elections were held, this cannot be regarded as established fact. Who knows how the people would actually have voted if they had had a free choice and had not been intimidated by the totalitarian mechanisms the Nazis put in place? As it was, only a minuscule minority of the bravest stood up and joined the White Rose opposition. The other "bystanders" chose self-preservation and at least minimally cooperated in the Nazi program.
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Tue Jun 26, 2018 11:29 am

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Upton_O_Goode wrote: Didn't do much good, but it was a sign of some integrity.
Since when is short term lip service a sign of integrity?
Touché! But "some" is a vague word. 0.0001% is "some," although Krauthammer wasn't THAT bad.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:48 pm

Seems the tax scam isn't playing as nicely as hoped and the border disaster ain't helping either. Nor is Team Mueller's ongoing fruitful work. For whose arrest will the injured crowds chant now? Hillary again - or still? Any other maligned lady? Migrant kids? Seems besides rising costs and closing/moving companies, not much really changed. Will they notice?
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Topic moved. Hope nothing fell out.
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Post by Aztexan » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:34 pm

WTF is a donnydammitdung and can we move it back?
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 3:45 pm

LOL, started out in HD, decided it was better suited here.
Asked to explain why they hate Jews, anti-Semites contradict themselves. Jews are always showing off; they are hermetic and secretive. They will not assimilate; they assimilate only too well. They are too religious; they are too materialistic, and a threat to religion. They are uncultured; they have too much culture. They avoid manual work; they work too hard. They are miserly; they are ostentatious spenders. They are inveterate capitalists; they are born Communists. And so on.

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:47 pm

Probably be banned much like Duke might say HM finest banned and stopped the Pistols playing their songs on a warm night back in Silver Jubbley 1977.

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Post by Darren Wilshak » Wed Jun 27, 2018 8:50 pm

I kinda liked this in HD and I might forget where it is now...

Anyway, I'll get used to it.

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yeah...that'll change things....
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Post by Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:03 pm

With Kennedy retiring we are screwed.
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This is the proper forum for this thread. Not HD.
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Post by Darren Wilshak » Wed Jun 27, 2018 9:15 pm

Besides we Brits are well known for mocking bombasts. Change is coming Gorgeous.

It could be anywhere it likes, there was something marvellous about it in HD, like you'd have to really riffle through the filing cabinets to find it.

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But its all cool. All of it.

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If it's meant to mock him, why did they make it handsomer than the real thing?
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Post by Upton_O_Goode » Thu Jun 28, 2018 10:19 am

Let us not forget that Trump is fighting ISIS. The point of that link is to show just how much money Obama was willing to spend for very little military gain. Indeed, was there any gain at all? ISIS will replace 70 fighters that the US (literally, according to the story) liquidated. It won't cost them any trouble. Talk about overkill! And futile overkill!

And one might at least mention that this involved a military attack on a country with which we were not at war. Too trivial to notice, against the other crimes the US has been committing for the last three Presidencies.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 28, 2018 1:23 pm

Upton_O_Goode wrote:"The Nazis came very close to fulfilling their plan to exterminate an entire people. They were defeated in this regard, not because people awoke to the evil of their purposes, but because the national interests of the Allies themselves were threatened."

Joshua Chasan, "Religion and the Holocaust" in: The Holocaust: Introductory Essays (1996).
Ummm...assuming the people were the Jews....what was the "national interests of the Allies" other than to win WW2? I've read criticism that the Allies could have saved 1000's of Jews had they bombed the rail system more or even the camps themselves, instead of focusing on military targets.
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