Racism in America

[rrichar911]

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The Obama administration has officially approved the first instance of taxpayer funded abortions under the new national government-run health care program. This is the kind of abortion funding the pro-life movement warned about when Congress considered the bill.

The Obama Administration will give Pennsylvania $160 million to set up a new "high-risk" insurance program under a provision of the federal health care legislation enacted in March.

It has quietly approved a plan submitted by an appointee of pro-abortion Governor Edward Rendell under which the new program will cover any abortion that is legal in Pennsylvania.

The high-risk pool program is one of the new programs created by the sweeping health care legislation, Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, President Obama signed into law on March 23. The law authorizes $5 billion in federal funds for the program, which will cover as many as 400,000 people when it is implemented nationwide.

...

Johnson told LifeNews.com: "This is just the first proof of the phoniness of President Obama's assurances that federal funds would not subsidize abortion -- but it will not be the last."

http://lifenews.com/nat6531.html

[rrichar911]

What % of those aborted babys will be black?

Does anyone besides me find it a bit odd that the Democrat party, the party that claims to be for the black man while accusing everyone else of being racist, makes darn sure that every black baby possible is aborted.  


"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black."



--Erma Clardy Craven (deceased)
Social Worker and Civil Rights Leader

15,000 = x% of 17.000
x = 88%

"http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348649,00.html

The revelation a few weeks ago that Planned Parenthood employees had encouraged telephone donations from callers hoping to facilitate abortions of black babies — money that was "offered" from members of an anti-abortion group at UCLA — led to a quick apology from the family planning organization. Planned Parenthood said its employees made a "serious mistake" in encouraging the donations.

So as long as we don't say that is what we are doing, it is ok to do it.

Planned Parent hood has killed more blacks than the KKK. Reducing their population by ~ 25%.

You reckon that people who target blacks for abortions just might be racist?

Na, the racist would be the people who advocate equal opportunity to life liberty and the persuit of happiness.  

What an upside down and twisted world we live in.

Were waiting to hear form Bart Stupak

http://www.lifenews.com/nat6181.html

He says sees Stupak’s executive order as something “made in good faith

[Gord]

What % of those aborted babys will be black?

Okay, a bit gross, but I'll play.  I'll bet most of them will be reddish; let's sayyyyyy, about 90%?

[Lance Kennedy]

The suggestion that, because a disproportionate number of aborted fetuses come from black mothers, this means racism, is stupid.

It is also true that a very high disproportion exists among murderers - way too many are black.  And the same disproportion exists for the prison population - way too many are black.

This is not racism per se.   It is simply a fact of life that an enormous number of social problems arise when a big sector of the population is undergoing substantial adaptation to a social system that is alien.   Black people came from two very different cultures not too many generations back.  First Africa, and then the culture of slavery.

They are now in the throes of adapting to western 21st century culture.  This is not easy.   Most will manage heroically to make a pretty good adaptation, but a lot will suffer, as they struggle to adapt.

Those who fall by the wayside will end up committing crimes and doing time in prison.  Many black women will end up pregnant with unwanted offspring.  It strikes me that Obama is doing his best to try to ameliorate the problems for as many people as possible.   Not racism.   This is caring.

[Chachacha]

Proof positive that the Hyde Ammendment, bill, rider(s) were meant to protect black fetuses from being aborted, that Obama is a racist, and Glenn Beck is a prophet who was off by one little sniggly insignificant fact.

[Tom-Palven]

When the Democrats are pro-choice it's becasue they want to reduce black voters, but when they're for immigration reform it's becaue they want to increase Latino voters?

[brauneyz]

When the Democrats are pro-choice it's becasue they want to reduce black voters, but when they're for immigration reform it's becaue they want to increase Latino voters?

 Love you Cousin Tommy.

[Tom-Palven]

Thanks Cuz.  I see I was having a little problem with the word Becasue, which was a grat Bealtel tuen, if that was it's name.  Let me find it, after I have another drinkk,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63LfaAyhgJY  This is becasue, and it's great, but it's not what I was thinking of.

No wondr I couldn't finfd it,  It wqa Becsuse by the Dave Clark Five, another great Britsh group liek the Searchers, the Tremulloes, and the Fortunes!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7mhZjQbv4s

[Chachacha]

When the Democrats are pro-choice it's becasue they want to reduce black voters, but when they're for immigration reform it's becaue they want to increase Latino voters?

Yep.  Same old, same old, same old (edited).

[rrichar911]

Planned parent hood was started by Margret Sanger for the state purpose of controling the "eugenic" population.   She is on the record as stating that the "negro" race are prone to reckless breading, and advocated forced sterilization.  

The organization she created in in fact carrying out much of her vision whether it is still of racist intent or not.  So we conclude that it is just a coincidence?  

Planned parenthood solicited funding for the stated purpose of aborting "black" babies.  So we conclude that is just an unfortunate mistake.

Her "project" which she called the "negro project" is still in reality accomplishing what she set out to do, no matter how it is justified, as 25% of the black population has been aborted.

Since the solicitation of funds to pay for aborting "black" babies is not racism, lets all pitch in .  Maybe the RNC can have a fund raiser for this purpose?  The KKK will surely donate, and after all it is not racist.  The KKK doing something the left approves of, imagine that.  

It is amazing what you can get away with simply by wording it appropriately.  Problem is, the result is identical no matter what the stated reasons.

[rrichar911]

The suggestion that, because a disproportionate number of aborted fetuses come from black mothers, this means racism, is stupid.

It is also true that a very high disproportion exists among murderers - way too many are black.  And the same disproportion exists for the prison population - way too many are black.

This is not racism per se.   It is simply a fact of life that an enormous number of social problems arise when a big sector of the population is undergoing substantial adaptation to a social system that is alien.   Black people came from two very different cultures not too many generations back.  First Africa, and then the culture of slavery.

They are now in the throes of adapting to western 21st century culture.  This is not easy.   Most will manage heroically to make a pretty good adaptation, but a lot will suffer, as they struggle to adapt.

Those who fall by the wayside will end up committing crimes and doing time in prison.  Many black women will end up pregnant with unwanted offspring.  It strikes me that Obama is doing his best to try to ameliorate the problems for as many people as possible.   Not racism.   This is caring.

You left out Planned Parenthood solicitation of funds for the stated purpose of aborting "black babies".    An analysis must include all the facts.  Where did that come from?  Out of no where?  

Books written by Planned Parenthood's founder include.

"Some Moral Aspects of Eugenics" (June 1920), "The Eugenic Conscience" (February 1921), "The purpose of Eugenics" (December 1924), "Birth Control and Positive Eugenics" (July 1925), "Birth Control: The True Eugenics" (August 1928)

Sanger addressed the women's auxiliary of the KKK at a rally in Silver Lake, New Jersey, in 1926, advocating the control of the eugenic.

Her reason for starting the organization was to control the genetically inferior, and specifically the negro.

[Matthew Ellard]

"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black."

OK, Lets look at this statement.  

If an abortion takes 1/2 hour, 17,000 babies = 8,500 hours
If there were ten doctors working on abortions non stop they would take 21 weeks to add 17,000 babies to the dumpster.  

That means the earliest babies were in the dumpster for five months.  How on earth can you tell the skin colour of an abortion foetus that has been in a dumpster for five months?  Even funnier is what happened to all the chinese and Latin american babies?  Did this clinic only do african americans and caucasians?

It doesn't add up does it?  

[ruben lopez]

When the Democrats are pro-choice it's becasue they want to reduce black voters, but when they're for immigration reform it's becaue they want to increase Latino voters?

Yeah. First we get rid of blacks with whitey's help, then we get rid of whitey. See, 12-21-2012 is a scheme my people cooked up a few centuries back. The whole world will be distraced, leaving us with a prime window to seize power.  BTW, don't tell anyone the contents of my copy of our memo I just laid out because y'all ain't supposed to know. Keep it in the downlow, y'know? Gracias

[ruben lopez]

It doesn't matter what Planned Parenthood's reasons are for doing what they do. That service is necessary, IMO.

One other thing: the term that should be used is pro-choice, not pro-abortion, as rrichar's obviously biased link uses. Being pro-choice doesn't mean being pro-Planned Parenthood. It takes some good spinning skills (Fox? Christian-based groups?) to get racism out of the story as rrichar uses it. Lance Kennedy's first post is a better view.

[brauneyz]

It doesn't matter what Planned Parenthood's reasons are for doing what they do. That service is necessary, IMO.

One other thing: the term that should be used is pro-choice, not pro-abortion, as rrichar's obviously biased link uses. Being pro-choice doesn't mean being pro-Planned Parenthood. It takes some good spinning skills (Fox? Christian-based groups?) to get racism out of the story as rrichar uses it. Lance Kennedy's first post is a better view.

If you notice the dates on the PP quotes you'll see they are almost a century old.  Margaret Sanger's eugenics pre-dated Hitler, but that crazy rightwing tosses it out whenever it's convenient.  It's pretty lame, IMO, when you have spin stuff that qualifies as ancient history.  Way more shocking to force the image of dumpsters full of thirty ... thousand... pounds ... of babies, of black babies.  

[Gord]

...25% of the black population has been aborted.

I'm starting to think someone else around here has been aborted too.

[ruben lopez]

Those aren't clothes hanger marks on my head, those are thought ventilators.

[Blacksamwell]

What % of those aborted babys will be black?

What % of the population served by that clinic is black?

There are many areas of LA where the demographics of the area would match the claimed mix of the dumpster find.  Of course the quote about the dumpster is from the mid 30's so perhaps the demographics were different then.

[fromthehills]

"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black."

OK, Lets look at this statement.  

If an abortion takes 1/2 hour, 17,000 babies = 8,500 hours
If there were ten doctors working on abortions non stop they would take 21 weeks to add 17,000 babies to the dumpster.  

That means the earliest babies were in the dumpster for five months.  How on earth can you tell the skin colour of an abortion foetus that has been in a dumpster for five months?  Even funnier is what happened to all the chinese and Latin american babies?  Did this clinic only do african americans and caucasians?

It doesn't add up does it?  

I'm with Mathew. This is a ridiculously weird claim, which appears to have been made to further her cause. I've never spent much time checking out aborted fetuses, but my guess is: You wouldn't be able to distinguish between which came from black parents and those from white parents. You wouldn't be able to count 17,000 aborted fetuses that fit into a dumpster, unless you got in there and started chunking them out, one at a time, which is pretty sick and twisted behavior. My other observation has been that Waste Management generally collects once a week. So you'd have to have 210 doctors tossing fetuses into a dumpster, non stop.

[OlegTheBatty]

You reckon that people who target blacks for abortions just might be racist?

If a black woman wants an abortion, whose white fetus should she target so as not to be labelled racist?

[rrichar911]

"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black."

OK, Lets look at this statement.  

If an abortion takes 1/2 hour, 17,000 babies = 8,500 hours
If there were ten doctors working on abortions non stop they would take 21 weeks to add 17,000 babies to the dumpster.  

That means the earliest babies were in the dumpster for five months.  How on earth can you tell the skin colour of an abortion foetus that has been in a dumpster for five months?  Even funnier is what happened to all the chinese and Latin american babies?  Did this clinic only do african americans and caucasians?

It doesn't add up does it?  

Actually they were all done in one hour on an assembly line conver belt .    

But a more reasonable assumption would be over a period of years.

[Blacksamwell]

"Several years ago, when 17,000 aborted babies were found in a dumpster outside a pathology laboratory in Los, Angeles, California, some 12-15,000 were observed to be black."

OK, Lets look at this statement.  

If an abortion takes 1/2 hour, 17,000 babies = 8,500 hours
If there were ten doctors working on abortions non stop they would take 21 weeks to add 17,000 babies to the dumpster.  

That means the earliest babies were in the dumpster for five months.  How on earth can you tell the skin colour of an abortion foetus that has been in a dumpster for five months?  Even funnier is what happened to all the chinese and Latin american babies?  Did this clinic only do african americans and caucasians?

It doesn't add up does it?  

Actually they were all done in one hour on an assembly line conver belt .    

But a more reasonable assumption would be over a period of years.

Would it be a reasonable assumption?

Are there any sources that validate this dumpster event in the first place?

[rrichar911]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... ton/print/

Whites have 41% of the aboutions, blacks 34%, and hispanics 20%.

But blacks are only  13% of the population.  

41/75 = .5466

34/13 = 2.615  

.5466 x = 2.615  

x = 4.784  if you are black you are ~ 5 times more likely to be aborted than if you are white.

When banks do not build branches in black neighborhoods or only a token number of banks, they are said to be racist.   But when the abortion industry chooses to build disproportionate numbers of abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods, they are not.

If we build more schools per capita in white neighborhoods than black, that is said to be racist.  If more blacks are found in prision per capita than whites , that is said to be racist.  

But for some reason we can build more abortion service centers in black neighborhoods, abort more blacks per capita than whites, and that is not racist.

[Blacksamwell]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/18/pro-lifers-to-protest-huge-clinic-in-houston/print/

Whites have 41% of the aboutions, blacks 34%, and hispanics 20%.

But blacks are only  13% of the population.  

41/75 = .5466

34/13 = 2.615  

.5466 x = 2.615  

x = 4.784  if you are black you are ~ 5 times more likely to be aborted than if you are white.

When banks do not build branches in black neighborhoods or only a token number of banks, they are said to be racist.   But when the abortion industry chooses to build disproportionate numbers of abortion clinics in minority neighborhoods, they are not.

If we build more schools per capita in white neighborhoods than black, that is said to be racist.  If more blacks are found in prision per capita than whites , that is said to be racist.  

But for some reason we can build more abortion service centers in black neighborhoods, abort more blacks per capita than whites, and that is not racist.

What source shows that there's a disproportionate level of clinics in black neighborhoods?

Is there a correlation with poverty and abortion?  Do populations with fewer resources for preventative family planning and education always utilize abortion to a greater degree regardless of race?

[rrichar911]

Mathew Ellard

http://www.blackgenocide.org/black.html

[rrichar911]

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/childress/080719


http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2010/June ... n-Clinic-/

Dr. Alveda King, niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., has been on the front lines of the abortion debate for several decades. She led the crowd in prayer against the procedures that will be performed at the new clinic.

"Father, we pray right now for an end to abortion in this territory, in this land, right now in Virginia Beach area," King prayed.

"I really wanted to come to appeal to everybody that's to the north, south, east and west of this clinic -- if you have any conscience at all and any heart just please support the effort to get this facility closed," she told the crowd of supporters.

King is not surprised about the clinic's location on the Virginia Beach street known as Newtown Road.

"This clinic is very close to low income communities, minority folk black folks, hispanics and that's generally the case," King said. "Way over 50 percent of all Planned Parenthood facilities are in minority neighborhoods, or places where people have issues with poverty. And I always say Jesus fed the poor. Jesus didn't kill the poor -- so aborting babies is not going to help poverty."

Is poverty the determining factor?  Good question.

Non black , non hispanic, are ~ 80% of the population.

~ 80% of people on welfare are white,  .8*.8 = .64

41/64 = .6406

35/13 = 1.944    

.6406 x = 1.944  

x = 3.34   if you are black you are ~3.34 times more likely to be aborted than if you are a poor white.

[ruben lopez]

These right-wing christian groups should advocate condom use and better sex education in our public schools.  That would eliminate some of the problem.

[Anchor of Life]

What an upside down and twisted world we live in.

Well, most people, at least those in the pro-life community, understood Obama’s executive order was meaningless and unenforceable, something not worth the paper it was printed on.  Now his administration is giving $160 million to the state of Pennsylvania to cover “every abortion that is legal” in the Keystone state.

“The Obama Administration will give Pennsylvania $160 million in federal tax funds, which we've discovered will pay for insurance plans that cover any legal abortion.  This is just the first proof of the phoniness of President Obama's assurances that federal funds would not subsidize abortion -- but it will not be the last.”  (Douglas Johnson, legislative director NRLC)

Were waiting to hear form Bart Stupak

He can’t say anything to defend his decision.  That is why he has announced to NOT run for re-election.  It was his provision (the Stupak-Pitts Amendment) that would have prevented this from happening!

“President Obama successfully opposed including language in the bill to prevent federal subsidies for abortions, and now the Administration is quietly advancing its abortion-expanding agenda through administrative decisions such as this, which they hope will escape broad public attention.”  (Douglas Johnson)

H.H.S. Approves Pennsylvania Plan
A deceiver in the Oval Office
President Obama deceives public on ObamaCare funding for abortion

[Anchor of Life]

These right-wing christian groups should advocate condom use and better sex education in our public schools.  That would eliminate some of the problem.

Christian groups advocate a method that is 100% effective when used properly and would eliminate ALL of the problem!

[ruben lopez]

Anchor, if you could bottle what you just did, you could be a rich man. I haven't laughed this hard in hours.

Please spell out what you mean for me. I have to run but I will be back later tonight.

[Blacksamwell]

Christian groups advocate a method that is 100% effective when used properly and would eliminate ALL of the problem!

How's that workin' out for Christian groups?

Have they been able to effectively implement their method?

The two examples that I'm familiar with in recent news are the review of the effectiveness of abstinence only sex ed in schools and the review of the outcomes of abstinence only outreach in various African countries.  I could be mistaken as I'm only working from memory, but in both cases it was found that the abstinence only programs were less effective at curbing the negative outcomes.  Are there any examples where abstinence only approaches give better outcomes?

If the method works, but implementation of the method is unrealistic or impossible then what's the point?

[Lance Kennedy]

Abortion clinics follow the same laws of economics as any other service.   One such law is that the service goes where the demand is.   If so many abortion clinics are in predominantly black areas, that is because those areas have the greatest demand.   Supply and demand.

If 16 million blacks were aborted, that is because there were a similar number of mothers wanting abortions.   It is about choice.  

I strongly suspect that the reason for all those abortions comes from the fact that all those mothers did not practise contraception and ended up with an unwanted pregnancy.  Black Americans apparently have a fertility rate of 2.2 today, compared to an overall fertility for the USA of 2.05.   However, the 2.2 is a major drop from previous decades.   Without those abortions, obviously the fertility would be much higher.  Replacement rate is 2.1, which we could call the 'ideal'.

[Gord]

If the method works, but implementation of the method is unrealistic or impossible then what's the point?

If we all held our breaths and learned to live at the bottom of the sea, we wouldn't have to worry about pollution or climate change, either.

You round up the abstinence-only advocacy groups, I'll round up some heavy iron chains! Together, we can fix everything!

[Matthew Ellard]

Are there any sources that validate this dumpster event in the first place?

That's what I was looking for.  I could not find the original quote reference but the statement itself is all over the internet.  

[rrichar911]

These right-wing christian groups should advocate condom use and better sex education in our public schools.  That would eliminate some of the problem.

No it helps create the problem.  

Before sex education the unwed birth rate was a small fraction of what it is now.  The abortion rate was to.  Not nearly as many people needed an abortion and they were legal if you wanted one in most places.  

When consciousness is driven to the surface leaving behind deeper awareness no amount of intellectual knowledge will replace it.  The results demonstrate Jung's hypothesis, as in reality all indicators of responsible sexual behavior have gone out the window.

Abstinence only will not work in today's culture.  Sexual norms are cultural and in today's culture screwing everyone you can is acceptable.  It is acceptable in part because of sex education bringing what used to be a private affair into the public arena.   Your never going to put that genie back in the bottle, there are to many variables sex education being only one of them.  Go screw, here is a condum is another.  If you get pregnant don't worry, your neighbors will pay to get rid of the kid, is another.  

Freud said that the most important discovery in human history was the fact that humans have a conscious and sub conscious.  Destroying the sensibilities of the sub conscious is virtually equivalent to destroying the person.

[Lance Kennedy]

Rrichar

The sexual revolution, in fact, followed upon the invention and release of the contraceptive pill.   Women are sexual beings, and before the pill, remained abstinent only from the fear of pregnancy.   Once the pill was available, women used it, and became more openly sexual.

Ironically, once custom dictated that it was OK to have sex, the level of unwanted pregnancies increased, due to the simple fact that people make mistakes!   In spite of the fact that good contraception was available, a lot of people did not use it, or did not use it as they should.

Fortunately, there are excellent abortion clinics, which provide their service in a professional way, and do not harm the health of their women patients.   This does not make abortion a 'nice' thing.   It never has been and never will be.   It is emotionally traumatic, and women who have had to use that service will always be less happy thereafter.   However, it is a necessary service, and women should always have that choice.

Clearly, for whatever reason, black women have greater need of abortion services, and make better use of it.  It is their choice.   There is no racism.   It is simply a service provided that people can choose to use or reject.   Nothing racist about that!

[Blacksamwell]

These right-wing christian groups should advocate condom use and better sex education in our public schools.  That would eliminate some of the problem.

No it helps create the problem.  

Before sex education the unwed birth rate was a small fraction of what it is now.[...]

We know this how?  I was under the impression that education reduces the occurrence of negative outcomes.

Besides...  Humans have been educating their kids on the birds and bees long before it was done in the classroom.  Sure, some chose not to teach their offspring, but others gave them all of the details.  So I don't find your argument very convincing.

When consciousness is driven to the surface leaving behind deeper awareness no amount of intellectual knowledge will replace it.

This sounds like woo.  How do we measure this?

The results demonstrate Jung's hypothesis, as in reality all indicators of responsible sexual behavior have gone out the window.

Baloney.  I'd agree with you if we're only considering the content of modern popular media.  Otherwise, if you turn off the TV and hang out with your neighbors, family, and friends; you'll find most of them are responsible and well adjusted.

[...]Sexual norms are cultural and in today's culture screwing everyone you can is acceptable.

I'd argue that screwing everyone you can has always been a cultural norm for young humans.  Less so for older humans.

Note how most social rule systems include rules about sexual behavior going back to the beginning of written history.  Apparently the curmudgeon is a very ancient archetype.

It is acceptable in part because of sex education bringing what used to be a private affair into the public arena.   Your never going to put that genie back in the bottle, there are to many variables sex education being only one of them.

Baloney.  This is the old concept of forbidden knowledge and I've never seen a convincing argument that makes this look like anything but censorship.

Go screw, here is a condum is another.  If you get pregnant don't worry, your neighbors will pay to get rid of the kid, is another.

Really?  Where have you ever seen an adult give that pep talk?  Straw man.

Freud said that the most important discovery in human history was the fact that humans have a conscious and sub conscious.  Destroying the sensibilities of the sub conscious is virtually equivalent to destroying the person.

Much of what Freud said is no longer credible.  What metrics do we have which support this particular concept such that we know it isn't one of the discredited Freudian concepts?

[Anchor of Life]

Please spell out what you mean for me.

“Abstinence is a behavior that prevents pregnancy, prevents sexually transmitted infection, and is safe, easy, & convenient.  Being abstinent is the only way to be absolutely sure that you won't have an unintended pregnancy or get a sexually transmitted disease (STD).  Abstinence is 100 percent effective in preventing pregnancy as well as STDs.  Abstinence has no medical or hormonal side effects and it’s free.  Sexual relationships present risks.  Abstinence is a very good way to postpone taking those risks until you are better able to handle them.  Women who abstain until their 20s — and who have fewer partners in their lifetimes — may have certain health advantages over women who do not.  They are less likely to get STDs.  Because they are less likely to get an STD, they are also less likely to become infertile or develop cervical cancer.  There are few disadvantages to abstinence.”  (Planned Parenthood)

Why would we NOT want to teach this message to young people?  We don’t tell our kids “It’s OK to use drugs, just be careful.”  We tell them “Don’t use drugs.”  We don’t tell our children “It’s OK to drink alcohol, just drink light beer, and you’ll be fine.”  We tell them “Don’t drink.”  We don’t tell them “It’s OK to smoke cigarettes, just smoke a half pack.”  We tell them “Don’t smoke.”

So, it is not that this ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.  Why would we not want to teach our young people the BEST method to protect themselves?

[brauneyz]

Why would we NOT want to teach this message to young people?  We don’t tell our kids “It’s OK to use drugs, just be careful.”  We tell them “Don’t use drugs.”  We don’t tell our children “It’s OK to drink alcohol, just drink light beer, and you’ll be fine.”  We tell them “Don’t drink.”  We don’t tell them “It’s OK to smoke cigarettes, just smoke a half pack.”  We tell them “Don’t smoke.”

So, it is not that this ideal has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and left untried.  Why would we not want to teach our young people the BEST method to protect themselves?

AoL, you have undone your own message.  How much more proof of the futility of the War on Drugs do you need?  Did prohibition work?  Has smoking been eradicated even thought there is a boatload of evidence showing its harmful legacy?

Simply saying 'no' does not work.  It has been tried numerous times and failed.

[Chachacha]

If the method works, but implementation of the method is unrealistic or impossible then what's the point?

If we all held our breaths and learned to live at the bottom of the sea, we wouldn't have to worry about pollution or climate change, either.

You round up the abstinence-only advocacy groups, I'll round up some heavy iron chains! Together, we can fix everything!

Abstaining from food is the best way to lose weight.  Abstaining from sex is equally unrealistic.  Hey, I know, let's go ask the anorexics and the Catholic Priests how abstinence works for them!  And don't forget to ask all the Christian girls who got pregnant when their "abstinence method" failed.