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Postby jsmahmadi » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:59 am

Uprising in Tehran and other Iranian cities by youth and people, Al-Jazeera TV
The Al-Jazeera TV correspondent reporting from Tehran described the ongoing turmoil and uprising in Iranian capital very great and dangerous and a show of Iranian people’s will for change.
The anchorman asked Aljazeera correspondent: 'Moussavi asked his supporters to refrain from violence. How is the security situation in Tehran?'
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Postby JO 753 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:00 pm

Komeni, Ahmadinijad and all the otherz who ran this show expozed themselvez az complete foolz.

1. They insult the entire population uv Iran by thinking they would be stupid enuf to believe the election wuznt rigged and sheepish enuf to accept the skam without complaint.

2. They failed to realize before conducting this farce wut dishonor it woud put on themselvez, their administration, Iran AND Islam. 'Look world! We are liarz and Iranianz are stupid sheep! Islam haz nothing to do with honesty and respect!'

3. They arent even good liarz. They proved conclusively that they dont have the slightest talent at chicanery. An average 7 year old could have done a better job uv making it look like a real election. They didnt even have the patience to wait till they could have possibly counted the votes!

4. They showed that they are afraid uv real democracy and knew they werent going to win the vote.

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Postby brauneyz » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:00 pm

Dude (not JO), you are seriously pushing your luck. :wave: :wave: :wave:
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Postby Gord » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:32 pm

JO 753 wrote:2. They failed to realize before conducting this farce wut dishonor it woud put on themselvez, their administration, Iran AND Islam. 'Look world! We are liarz and Iranianz are stupid sheep! Islam haz nothing to do with honesty and respect!'

Wait, how does this show that there's a problem with Islam? Was Islam directly involved in the election? (I have to ask, because I don't know anything about their election process. But we'd hardly blame Christianity for Dubya, would we?)
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Postby bigtim » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:45 pm

Gord wrote:
JO 753 wrote:2. They failed to realize before conducting this farce wut dishonor it woud put on themselvez, their administration, Iran AND Islam. 'Look world! We are liarz and Iranianz are stupid sheep! Islam haz nothing to do with honesty and respect!'

Wait, how does this show that there's a problem with Islam? Was Islam directly involved in the election? (I have to ask, because I don't know anything about their election process. But we'd hardly blame Christianity for Dubya, would we?)


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Postby JO 753 » Tue Jun 16, 2009 1:46 pm

Even an ordinary Christian, Muslim, Budhist or wutever iz reprezenting their religion to sumbudy on sum level. Theze guyz, bekuz uv their pozitionz, reprezent Islam to the world. I'm no expert, but I believe the ayotola iz suppozed to be Allah'z earthly reprezentative.

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Postby Gord » Tue Jun 16, 2009 2:18 pm

JO 753 wrote:Even an ordinary Christian, Muslim, Budhist or wutever iz reprezenting their religion to sumbudy on sum level. Theze guyz, bekuz uv their pozitionz, reprezent Islam to the world. I'm no expert, but I believe the ayotola iz suppozed to be Allah'z earthly reprezentative.

Islam doesn't have a head official -- a Pope, if you will. I don't think Islamists in other countries look at Iran as the leading country of their faith, any more than most Christians look at, say, Turkey as the leading Christian nation. (Wait, what country is Constantinople in again?) (Maybe I should have just said "Greece" and not worried about it.... :? )

bigtim wrote:I blame jeebus...

That does seem to be what he's for! 8-)
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Postby Tom Palven » Tue Jun 16, 2009 7:20 pm

Know why Sean Hannity and Mr. Mahmadi don't complain about the elections in Saudi Arabia and Egypt? Because the great American allies King Abdullah and General Hosni Mubarek don't hold elections.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jun 17, 2009 12:31 am

Gord wrote:
JO 753 wrote:2. They failed to realize before conducting this farce wut dishonor it woud put on themselvez, their administration, Iran AND Islam. 'Look world! We are liarz and Iranianz are stupid sheep! Islam haz nothing to do with honesty and respect!'

Wait, how does this show that there's a problem with Islam? Was Islam directly involved in the election? (I have to ask, because I don't know anything about their election process. But we'd hardly blame Christianity for Dubya, would we?)


Iran is a theocracy and the Ayatollah and senior clerics perform a consitutional service similar to the "House of Lords" in that they can deny the passing of bills raised in the parliament. What is very odd is that the Ayatollah has agreed to a recount after the election. There are a couple of theories for this. Firstly, a theocracy must have a religious base and this has been eroding in the urban areas of Iran so the Ayatollah is concerned that he will be lumped with an uncontrollable regional base. Secondly, we have had a generation change in Iran since 1978's revolution and they wear "Nikes".
Thirdly, there was a revolution in 1979 against the Shah's clampdowns ( it was a political revolution with a religious flavour) so the current regime of clampdowns by religious NGOs may stimulate another revolution as the people have a "track record".

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Postby Tom Palven » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:16 am

Yeah, but isn't it a little hypocritical of Foggy Bottom to concern itself with the legitimacy of the results in Iran when the US wouldn't accpt the results of the much-publicized election in Palestine after Hamas won convincingly, and the fact that the dictators of America's great allies Saudi Arabia and Egypt don't hold elections at all?
Is this blatant double-standard just hunky-dory with everyone?
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:28 pm

Tom-Palven wrote:Yeah, but isn't it a little hypocritical of Foggy Bottom to concern itself with the legitimacy of the results in Iran when the US wouldn't accpt the results of the much-publicized election in Palestine after Hamas won convincingly, and the fact that the dictators of America's great allies Saudi Arabia and Egypt don't hold elections at all?
Is this blatant double-standard just hunky-dory with everyone?


I agree it is a double standard. However the USA has seemed to reluctantly accept the socialist governments voted in the Americas so things are improving. Jimmy Carter is still a hero to me and always gets my attention and support.

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Postby Tom Palven » Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:03 pm

Yes, despite his religioius views and economic bumbling, Jimmy Carter is one of my heroes.
For months it has been reported in the mainstream press here that the CIA et al have been spreading money around in Iran trying to destabilize and topple the Iranian government. Yet, in today's Times-Uniion from Jacksonville, Florida, there is a McClatchy Newspaper account which talks about "rising tensions" in Iran and says ""A State Department spokesman said the US was withholding judgement about the election and not interfering in Iranian internal affairs" without mentioning the possbility of connecting any possible dots. So far, the efforts have not gone as well as Operation Ajax did.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:00 am

Tom-Palven wrote: For months it has been reported in the mainstream press here that the CIA et al have been spreading money around in Iran trying to destabilize and topple the Iranian government. Yet, in today's Times-Uniion from Jacksonville, Florida, there is a McClatchy Newspaper account which talks about "rising tensions" in Iran and says ""A State Department spokesman said the US was withholding judgement about the election and not interfering in Iranian internal affairs" without mentioning the possbility of connecting any possible dots. So far, the efforts have not gone as well as Operation Ajax did.


I believe that The USA foreign policy prefers the current government in Iran because it is unstable, makes "stupid" statements and gives the USA a clear "baddie". For this reason I believe the USA is not active in promoting insurgency. Well...I sort of also believe that the USA foreign services do not have the skills to influence the Iranian political landscape anyway. ( However the website in the opening post does seem to be an anti-Iranian government website with no clear financial means of support but it could be Saudi, Iraqi or anyone supporting it.)

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Postby Tom Palven » Fri Jun 19, 2009 12:18 pm

I agree with your points. I've read credible accounts that during Iran-Contra and other US actions that the CIA and FBI were both involved and working at cross-purposes. It's possible that Sec. of State Clinton doesn't even know all that the US is doing in Iran. All that you and I can probably state with a degree of certainty is that the CIA, NSA, and the Pentagon black budget have a tremendous amount of funding and that the money is spent somewhere.
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Postby Tom Palven » Sat Jun 20, 2009 2:57 pm

Even if another Operation Ajax in Iran fails, the appearance of unstability there may give the radical Netanyahu gang in Israel the added pretext of "restoring order" for bombardment of Iran, the one possible counterveiling obstacle to its God-ordained expansionism.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Jun 21, 2009 11:36 pm

Tom-Palven wrote:Even if another Operation Ajax in Iran fails, the appearance of unstability there may give the radical Netanyahu gang in Israel the added pretext of "restoring order" for bombardment of Iran, the one possible counterveiling obstacle to its God-ordained expansionism.


I'm really unsure about this. I think Netanyahu is really only concerned with his domestic standing within Israel, so he makes alot of noise. However I think the IDF would have made it clear to him that any attack on Iran would lead to a responce that Israel could not defend against and would end all the work spend by the USA to date isolating Hezzbollah and other shiite groups from direct Iranian control. Israel "wins" if it simply keeps quiet and hands back a bit of land. You know it. I know it. The whole bloody world knows it.

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Postby Tom Palven » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:18 am

You make good points, but Netanyahu's Likud Party Charter specifically endorses Israili expansion in the West Bank and flatly rejects a Palestinian state. Since the Oslo accords, converavitve Israeli governments have agreed to every demand by US presidents to halt settlements, and then just ignored the agreements, but I don't think that this is enough for the Likud Party right now. They want to bomb Iran immediately to prevent it from developing nukes, but becasue Iran is so well-armed with conventional weapons (No pre-war Iraq by any means) they need US guarantees that it will jump in on their side when things get dicey. Obama apparently refuses to give them a green light It will be interesting to seee how this plays out
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Postby JO 753 » Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:46 pm

Last week, just to reaffirm their kindergarten level lying abilities, Mahmood & the Ayatollah accuzed the US uv medling in the election. I seemz everything they do and say just makes the situation worse for themselvez.

Obama took exactly the rite pozition.

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Postby Tom Palven » Mon Jun 22, 2009 1:58 pm

It will probably be years before documents are released showing that The Empire was meddling in Iran, funding such groups as "The Peoples' Mujahadeen of Iran" that propagandized at the top of this thread, trying to pull off another Operation Ajax, which is covered at Wikipedia.
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Tom-Palven wrote:It will probably be years before documents are released showing that The Empire was meddling in Iran, funding such groups as "The Peoples' Mujahadeen of Iran" that propagandized at the top of this thread, trying to pull off another Operation Ajax, which is covered at Wikipedia.


I doubt that it was the Empire or her allies who were responsible for Iran's whopping 106% voter turnout....
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Postby BrianG » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:02 pm

Freedom is a natural human condition. People protest shams.

Let's hear it for the Iranian people!
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Postby bigtim » Mon Jun 22, 2009 4:33 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:
Tom-Palven wrote:It will probably be years before documents are released showing that The Empire was meddling in Iran, funding such groups as "The Peoples' Mujahadeen of Iran" that propagandized at the top of this thread, trying to pull off another Operation Ajax, which is covered at Wikipedia.


I doubt that it was the Empire or her allies who were responsible for Iran's whopping 106% voter turnout....


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Postby Tom Palven » Mon Jun 22, 2009 7:03 pm

They do that in Chicago, too, but Iran doesn't complain about it. My point is that neither zombies nor live people vote for King Abdullah or General Hosni Mubarek, the Empire's greeat allies, because they are dictators for life, and no one seems to give a damn, even though Egypt gets a large percentage of Fourth Reich foreign aid, and most of the 9/11 villains were from Saudi Arabia.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jun 22, 2009 11:41 pm

Tom-Palven wrote: but becasue Iran is so well-armed with conventional weapons (No pre-war Iraq by any means) they need US guarantees that it will jump in on their side when things get dicey. Obama apparently refuses to give them a green light It will be interesting to seee how this plays out


Obama is turning out to be "all good news" in my books. The USA military would have no existing war-gaming strategy that would allow it to invade Iran. The country is simply too big and you cannot get vehicles or supplies in against an insurgent Iranian population. Pres. Obama and his team are being realistic......good.

Tom-Palven wrote: Just bought an Omron blood pressure machine at CVS which the CVS pharmacist recommended over the CVS brand. It's made in Vietnam where The Empire would have tens of thousands of troops stationed, as in Korea, if it had "won" that war.


Yes well Australia and the USA still need to invest, help and apologise to Vietnam for trying to thwart their war of independence against the French. My girlfriend is going up there for work next week for her magazine PC World. If the Vietnamese have produced an pool of educated tech workers since 1975 then Vietnam is stable enough to attract tech industries and substitute for Malaysian and Thai tech industries.

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Postby Tom Palven » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:05 am

Obama seems to be mostly good news in foreign policy, but what do you think of the escalation in Afghanistan and the missile and drone strikes in Pakistan? And we'll have to see if US troops pull out of Iraqi cities by June 30, and what Obama does if things don't go smoothly. The administration already seems to be hedging on troop withdrawals, and the Machiavellian Democrats in congress have already reversed themselves on Gitmo.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:34 am

Tom-Palven wrote:Obama seems to be mostly good news in foreign policy, but what do you think of the escalation in Afghanistan and the missile and drone strikes in Pakistan? And we'll have to see if US troops pull out of Iraqi cities by June 30, and what Obama does if things don't go smoothly. The administration already seems to be hedging on troop withdrawals, and the Machiavellian Democrats in congress have already reversed themselves on Gitmo.


I believe the escalation in Afghanistan is a mixture of local issue insurgency and the last breaths of the Pakistani ISI trying to keep the "fight" out of Pakistan. The drone strikes are not popular and I assume they are "political" in that they remind the ISI that the proxy war is moving into their own support base in Pakistan. I still assume the end of this campaign will be in Pakistan.

I do not know what Obama's team will do in Iraq. He will probably create a base for storing equipment in the countryside and send the boys & girls elsewhere. He cannot launch an Iranian attack from Iraq and probably has no desire to do so.

If I had to "go looking", I'd go see what the USA has been doing with India. If the USA needs to march into Pakistan then the USA may want India to sit on its hands but remain as a "looming threat" to keep Pakistani regulars on the India-Pakistan border.

If I had to make a guess as to the long term result I would say that the ISI and its Pakistani support base will simply evaporate if the USA marches in and devolve to local issue insurgency. That would probably be the end of this current mess, somewhere in the middle of Obama's second term.

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Postby Gord » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:40 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:If I had to make a guess as to the long term result I would say that the ISI and its Pakistani support base will simply evaporate if the USA marches in and devolve to local issue insurgency. That would probably be the end of this current mess, somewhere in the middle of Obama's second term.

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Gord wrote: Messes seldom end on a march.


Yes,....a very good point.

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Postby Tom Palven » Tue Jun 23, 2009 12:18 pm

Matt,
There's an interesting article by Canadian newsman Eric Margolis at LewRockwell.com today titled Seeing Through All the Propaganda About Iran that doesn't quite jibe with either of our thoughts.
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Postby JO 753 » Tue Jun 23, 2009 2:05 pm

Ayatola Komenei: "No funeral for the girl! Thatl take the starch out uv their shirts!"

The comedy keeps getting better & better. It remindz me uv the beginning uv Naked Gun 2, where Lt. Frank Dreben showz up in a middle eastern terrorist nation meeting & kick evrybodiez ass, including the original 'death to America' ayatola.

Here'z my prediction: The whole thing turnz out to be a republican plot to reduce Obamaz popularity ratingz. The thinking wuz that the troop withdrawl from Iraq woud be too big uv a pozitive, driving a big nail into the GoP* coffin lid, so trick him into another big military operation.



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Postby Tom Palven » Tue Jun 23, 2009 3:13 pm

Sounds more like The Wizard of Oz to me. The Wicked Witch of the West isn't merely nearly FUBAR, she's clearly most sincerely FUBAR. The Republican Chicken Hawks like Cheney, who was too busy to go to Vietnam, like air power, calling the suicide bombers cowardly while they prefer sending out the flying monkeys to kill people from thousands of feet in the air. Bomb, bomb, bomb. Bomb, bomb Iran. And Afghanistan, and Iraq, and Pakistan. Yeah, the comedy does keep getting better and better.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:44 pm

Tom-Palven wrote:Matt,
There's an interesting article by Canadian newsman Eric Margolis at LewRockwell.com today titled Seeing Through All the Propaganda About Iran that doesn't quite jibe with either of our thoughts.


Although I think the article is true and logical, there were a couple of funny quotes in the article

Pakistani intelligence sources put CIA’s recent spending on "black operations" to subvert Iran’s government at $400 million.

That's funny, Pakistani's "Inter Services Intelligence" are the ones supporting the islamic insurgency against the USA and simultaneously trying to obtain funding from the USA to hunt down insurgents.

Washington’s goal was "regime change" in Tehran and installation of a pro-US regime of former Iranian royalist exiles.

And who are these exiles who have been away for 30years? It is one thing to return an active leader in a civil war, but quite another to reinstall an exile after 30 years. The Brits gave up in the late 60s with their Czech, Polish, Latvian and other governments in exiles. Considering the USA has no one on the ground they are limited to using "exiles". If the USA had people on the ground they would use "friendlies" already in the Iranian political system.

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Postby Tom Palven » Tue Jun 23, 2009 11:57 pm

Interesting. It gets curiiouser and curiouser.
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:06 am

Tom-Palven wrote:Interesting. It get curiiouser and curiouser.


In 1979 my parents paid for me to to go with the Near East Archeological Foundation run from Sydney University, to Iran. We were going to dig up a village in the mountains. Obviously I never got there and went to England instead. By simple coincidence I was squatting in London and broke into the Bank of Iran on High St Kensington ( It was abandoned) and stayed there for two weeks before some real estate "heavies" threw us out. I had a fabulous collection of Bank of Iran withdrawal forms that I used to give people as christmas presents.

I would like to go one day because Iran probably has some of the best "to be discovered" archeological sites.

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Postby Flash » Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:17 am

Tom-Palven wrote:
There's an interesting article by Canadian newsman Eric Margolis at LewRockwell.com today titled Seeing Through All the Propaganda About Iran that doesn't quite jibe with either of our thoughts.

I couldn't find Margolis' article although I've seen him on the Canadian TV, especially on The Agenda a TVOntario (public TV) channel.
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Postby JO 753 » Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:41 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:By simple coincidence I was squatting in London and broke into the Bank of Iran....


Kool!

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Re: Uprising in Tehran and other Iranian cities by youth and peo

Postby Tom Palven » Wed Jun 24, 2009 12:45 pm

Yeah, way kool. I haven't enticed you to pick up a Sharon McCrumb book starring archaeology student Elizabeth MacPherson yet, huh Matthew?
If one can be taught to believe absurdities, one can commit atrocities. --Voltaire

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Re: Uprising in Tehran and other Iranian cities by youth and peo

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:07 am

JO 753 wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:By simple coincidence I was squatting in London and broke into the Bank of Iran....


Kool!


The estate agent heavies waited outside the bank in a van. I went to get milk at night and they beat the {!#%@} out of me for 8 hours in a garage. My fellow squatters saw me taken and bolted ( thankfully with my backpack). I belted one of the heavies with an antique iron while the other went to a public phone box and ran away. The heavies were not Iranians but simply the owners of the building who wanted to release it....so they hired a local anti-squatter team ....they carved a rude word on my back with a lino cutter. Not a nice experience.

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Re: Uprising in Tehran and other Iranian cities by youth and peo

Postby JO 753 » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:30 am

I don't know how the law works in England on such matterz, but in America, you'd own the place after that, plus have a million or so in the safe.

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Re: Uprising in Tehran and other Iranian cities by youth and peo

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Jun 25, 2009 12:43 am

JO 753 wrote:I don't know how the law works in England on such matterz, but in America, you'd own the place after that, plus have a million or so in the safe.


I was not behaving myself at this time and needed to keep a low profile. I also hit the man with the antique iron more than once. I was a punk rocker and punk rockers were hated for street brawls with rockers ( rockabilly fans) and Teds ( "Teddy boys" wear Mississipi steam paddler gambler "edwardian" outfits and also follow rockabilly). Punk rockers only became accepted in the early 80's when they started fighting NF 'skinheads" before the movement ended in 1981. The punk rockers you see in photos today look nothing like the actual UK punk rockers of 1976 to 1980.


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