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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:40 pm

I have a strange fascination with covers that I can't explain, and I'm also picky about them. There are multitudinous horrible ones, so they have to be either extremely well-done, humorous, or interesting in some way to catch my attention. All three of these fit my criteria in some way.

The only Beatles cover I've ever heard that was not only good, but better than the original, by Elliott Smith...
https://youtu.be/jvSdFr3niQM
In response to 2CELLOS playing the William Tell Overture, a wild moshpit appears...
https://youtu.be/gahaV1DcK6c
And a fantastic folksy bluegrass cover of Leonard Cohen's "Tower of Song"...
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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Jun 11, 2017 8:45 pm

LunaNik wrote:I have a strange fascination with covers that I can't explain, and I'm also picky about them. There are multitudinous horrible ones, so they have to be either extremely well-done, humorous, or interesting in some way to catch my attention. All three of these fit my criteria in some way.

The only Beatles cover I've ever heard that was not only good, but better than the original, by Elliott Smith...
https://youtu.be/jvSdFr3niQM
In response to 2CELLOS playing the William Tell Overture, a wild moshpit appears...
https://youtu.be/gahaV1DcK6c
And a fantastic folksy bluegrass cover of Leonard Cohen's "Tower of Song"...
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One of my favorite covers:
https://youtu.be/tR3XY6wfSBw

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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:22 am

LunaNik wrote:I have a strange fascination with covers that I can't explain.

I think the BeeGees movie version of St Pepper Lonely Hearts Club Band, is still objective, sound and legal justification for the immediate on-the-spot execution of an entire band as punishment for doing a Beatles cover. . :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVzMUmsoy0I

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Postby Jeffk 1970 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 12:41 am

LOL

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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Jun 14, 2017 4:56 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
LunaNik wrote:I have a strange fascination with covers that I can't explain.

I think the BeeGees movie version of St Pepper Lonely Hearts Club Band, is still objective, sound and legal justification for the immediate on-the-spot execution of an entire band as punishment for doing a Beatles cover. . :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVzMUmsoy0I

Same for Fiona Apple's quaalude version of "Across the Universe," which sounds like she has a mouthful of mashed potatoes as well.
https://youtu.be/UXE1C--WezU
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:23 am

OK. While we are destroying the Beatles' songs with the worst Beatles covers ever...... try this abomination!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubR9cXWkXv8

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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Major Malfunction » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:45 am

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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 12:37 pm

LunaNik wrote:
Matthew Ellard wrote:
LunaNik wrote:I have a strange fascination with covers that I can't explain.

I think the BeeGees movie version of St Pepper Lonely Hearts Club Band, is still objective, sound and legal justification for the immediate on-the-spot execution of an entire band as punishment for doing a Beatles cover. . :D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVzMUmsoy0I

Same for Fiona Apple's quaalude version of "Across the Universe," which sounds like she has a mouthful of mashed potatoes as well.
https://youtu.be/UXE1C--WezU



I don't think I have to say anything, I'll allow you to bathe in the crappiness that is the Thompson Twins covering....Revolution:

https://youtu.be/tPiPzo78uYE

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Jun 14, 2017 5:29 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:I don't think I have to say anything, I'll allow you to bathe in the crappiness that is the Thompson Twins covering....Revolution:

https://youtu.be/tPiPzo78uYE

I lasted 33 seconds, then I think I threw up in my mouth a little.

I think, though, that I've found the nadir. No explanation necessary. I'm still cringing.
https://youtu.be/AeNPVlplLkE
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:35 pm

LunaNik wrote:
Jeffk 1970 wrote:I don't think I have to say anything, I'll allow you to bathe in the crappiness that is the Thompson Twins covering....Revolution:

https://youtu.be/tPiPzo78uYE

I lasted 33 seconds, then I think I threw up in my mouth a little.

I think, though, that I've found the nadir. No explanation necessary. I'm still cringing.
https://youtu.be/AeNPVlplLkE


LOL
You win.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Jun 14, 2017 6:46 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:LOL
You win.
:D

Or lose, depending on your viewpoint. :wgrin:
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Major Malfunction » Sun Jul 02, 2017 5:49 pm

I love this thread.

Not just for the great collaborative collection of sounds (some better than others...)...

But because each song tells something about the poster.

Past and current mood.

It's fun to look back how quickly moods change.

What you once loved ain't so hot no more...

Don't get tattoos, kids.

Advice from an old guy. ;)
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sun Jul 02, 2017 6:09 pm

Having said all that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maKok2RItxM

Gord. Left or right maid?
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:44 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:Don't get tattoos, kids.

Advice from an old guy. ;)
Too late. Although I think I'm safe from buyer's remorse, since I didn't get my first one until I was in my 40s.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sun Jul 02, 2017 7:51 pm

Mid-life crisis is almost as dangerous as teens.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Jul 02, 2017 8:43 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:Mid-life crisis is almost as dangerous as teens.
The closest I ever came to mid-life crisis was test-driving a Honda S2000 convertible...and it wasn't even red. I didn't even consider buying it, since I live in New England. Snow for 4-5 months and potholes for 12 months meant the car was not at all practical. (I ended up buying a practical Element.) But the test drive was so much fun. I feel certain I made the salesman kark his drawers. :mrgreen:

The only regret attached to my ink is my choice of artist. Three were done by the same artist, a former friend trying to restart his business after kicking heroin. I love the first one he inked, but the other two—which I had done at the same sitting—are subpar, and I later learned he'd gone back to the needle. Fortunately, one of my cousins is a supremely-talented tattooist who's skilled at cover-ups. One of these days, I'll get around to having him fix them.
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Sun Jul 02, 2017 11:28 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote:Too late. Although I think I'm safe from buyer's remorse, since I didn't get my first one until I was in my 40s.
My parents were very anti tattoo. Mum more so, as she sat on the NSW parole board. Within a year of my parents passing away, my elder brother "rebelled" and had both arms covered in sleeve tattoos, started wearing a cowboy hat and started a swamp rock band, 20 years after swamp rock bands had come and gone. He specifically went for Grateful Dead style of tattoos with skulls in top hats, dice and playing cards. He looks both stupid and dated.

I was lucky and inherited mum's book collection on how to identify, date and geographically locate different tattoos.

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Mon Jul 03, 2017 1:24 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote:Too late. Although I think I'm safe from buyer's remorse, since I didn't get my first one until I was in my 40s.
My parents were very anti tattoo. Mum more so, as she sat on the NSW parole board. Within a year of my parents passing away, my elder brother "rebelled" and had both arms covered in sleeve tattoos, started wearing a cowboy hat and started a swamp rock band, 20 years after swamp rock bands had come and gone. He specifically went for Grateful Dead style of tattoos with skulls in top hats, dice and playing cards. He looks both stupid and dated.

I was lucky and inherited mum's book collection on how to identify, date and geographically locate different tattoos.

Good grief! That's a bit much. I only have five, and three of them are quite small (3-8cm in diameter) symbols. The other two are rarely seen by anyone except me, and are a bit larger. I would never go as far as sleeves. From an aesthetic perspective, I find them chaotic; no matter how cohesive the design and how skilled the work, it's a mass of ink that defies perception.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Mon Jul 03, 2017 5:28 am

First time I've heard of this...thrashgrass. It's thrash metal played in the bluegrass style.

https://youtu.be/merSR-CNzRg
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Matthew Ellard wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote:Too late. Although I think I'm safe from buyer's remorse, since I didn't get my first one until I was in my 40s.
My parents were very anti tattoo. Mum more so, as she sat on the NSW parole board. Within a year of my parents passing away, my elder brother "rebelled" and had both arms covered in sleeve tattoos, started wearing a cowboy hat and started a swamp rock band, 20 years after swamp rock bands had come and gone. He specifically went for Grateful Dead style of tattoos with skulls in top hats, dice and playing cards. He looks both stupid and dated.

I was lucky and inherited mum's book collection on how to identify, date and geographically locate different tattoos.

My olds, too. One day my father said to me, "Son, never get a tattoo." And I said, "OK."

He had one, done by his brother with a needle and pen ink. A love heart on his left forearm. It was going to have his girlfriend's name, but he got smart and chickened out.

In my opinion, tattoos are only for sailors, soldiers, criminals, tribesmen, and idiots. I find them very useful in identifying such. I'm sorry, Nikki, but my opinion of you is greatly reduced. We could never date. :P

On topic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzAOpau4KRY
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Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:19 am

Major Malfunction wrote: On topic...

To horrify Nikki further. I was the manager of Rose Tattoo for about two years. I owned an accounting firm that specialised in entertainment. When bands were between managers or suing their manager, I would contract to manage them until they found another full time manager. For Rose Tattoo, three are dead, one is in gaol for selling firearms and the singer attempted to become a conservative politician.

Meetings were fun.
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Nikki Nyx wrote:First time I've heard of this...thrashgrass. It's thrash metal played in the bluegrass style.

https://youtu.be/merSR-CNzRg

:lol: :lol: :lol:
Hahaha. Thrashgrass! That double bag of extra fun totally made my day.

I currently am in a folk metally mood, so this is my current obsession:
https://youtu.be/iijKLHCQw5o
Not quite as humorous, just kickass with bagpipes and flute solo.

As for the tattoo question, I have one on my shoulder I got when i was 19 picturing the iconic Stickman figure from the heyday of pearl jam (was and somewhat still am a massive fan). 17 years later and still not regretting it.

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:49 am

Major Malfunction wrote:In my opinion, tattoos are only for sailors, soldiers, criminals, tribesmen, and idiots. I find them very useful in identifying such. I'm sorry, Nikki, but my opinion of you is greatly reduced. We could never date. :P
Hmmm...
• I've never been to sea, unless you count the ferry to Martha's Vineyard (which I wouldn't).
• I've never been in the military.
• I've never even been arrested, never mind convicted of a crime.
• I don't belong to a tribe, to my knowledge, unless you count having Gorali ancestry. (The Gorali are a highlander ethnic group that migrated to the Spiš region of Slovakia. Their origins aren't fully known.)
• Clearly, I'm not an idiot.

Looks like your hypothesis needs work, Major. :mrgreen: So...
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:57 am

So......you are a sailor, soldier, criminal, tribesmen, or idiot for the time it took to sit for the tat? Recovered there after?

Everything a matter of degree. A nice tiny whatever, where ever.... I see the appeal. A walking billboard to whatever else? Hmmmmm..... spending more time in the stupid hole. If driven to do so by some cultural attraction.... really a tribal mindset playing out: "belonging or wishing to."

Other reasons too................ then we die, making it all fair.
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Matthew Ellard wrote:To horrify Nikki further. I was the manager of Rose Tattoo for about two years. I owned an accounting firm that specialised in entertainment. When bands were between managers or suing their manager, I would contract to manage them until they found another full time manager. For Rose Tattoo, three are dead, one is in gaol for selling firearms and the singer attempted to become a conservative politician.

Meetings were fun.
:D
No roses! Ugh. Or butterflies. I don't have any tattoos that are "flash," the pre-drawn designs you see on the walls of tattoo shops. Mine are either cultural symbolism or designs that were custom-drawn for me. No idea why, but I have a weird obsession with symbolism.
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OutOfBreath wrote:Hahaha. Thrashgrass! That double bag of extra fun totally made my day.

I currently am in a folk metally mood, so this is my current obsession:
https://youtu.be/iijKLHCQw5o
Not quite as humorous, just kickass with bagpipes and flute solo.

As for the tattoo question, I have one on my shoulder I got when i was 19 picturing the iconic Stickman figure from the heyday of pearl jam (was and somewhat still am a massive fan). 17 years later and still not regretting it.

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Glad you liked it! I can't watch your video, sadly. Either it was taken down, or it's not available to me for some reason. :(
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:23 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:So......you are a sailor, soldier, criminal, tribesmen, or idiot for the time it took to sit for the tat? Recovered there after?

Everything a matter of degree. A nice tiny whatever, where ever.... I see the appeal. A walking billboard to whatever else? Hmmmmm..... spending more time in the stupid hole. If driven to do so by some cultural attraction.... really a tribal mindset playing out: "belonging or wishing to."

Other reasons too................ then we die, making it all fair.
Been drinking, bobbo? You're rambling more than usual.
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LOL

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Nikki Nyx wrote:• Clearly, I'm not an idiot.

Looks like your hypothesis needs work, Major. :mrgreen: So...

Even intelligent people can make stupid life decisions. I'm certainly not immune. :)
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Postby OutOfBreath » Tue Jul 04, 2017 8:42 am

Nikki Nyx wrote:Glad you liked it! I can't watch your video, sadly. Either it was taken down, or it's not available to me for some reason. :(

Hm maybe a europe/america thingy? Anyway if you are interested the clip was the official video of the song "Inis Mona" by the band "Eluveitie". Swiss death metal/folk band with a penchant for celtic imagery&names and myths. The band name is the earliest reference to the swiss or helvetia as it was known.

I like history, that style of metal, a bit folk in a grungy package. :)

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How about this one? Image
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scrmbldggs wrote:How about this one? Image

Its them alright. Although the sound was a bit crap on the live video. Love the emoji btw. Image :P

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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Aztexan » Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:40 pm

I think we're past the days when death metal bands wear black. It's cliche now. If you want to be metal, perform in pastel colors or bright neon.
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Major Malfunction » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:55 pm

From a very pragmatic point of view, all the 1970s disco youngsters are dropping dead about now, and all their closets of bad fashion are landing in charity shops in job lots.
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Jul 04, 2017 3:59 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote:• Clearly, I'm not an idiot.

Looks like your hypothesis needs work, Major. :mrgreen: So...

Even intelligent people can make stupid life decisions. I'm certainly not immune. :)
I generally confine my stupid life decisions to the men I select for relationships. :mrgreen: Man, there have been some doozies. :roll:
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Nikki Nyx » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:07 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:How about this one? Image

I prefer my metal more melodic, so I like the young lady's vocals better. The "cookie monster" style of metal vocals has never appealed to me. :mrgreen:

https://youtu.be/eHrRuMCQEKc
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Major Malfunction » Tue Jul 04, 2017 4:16 pm

I hear ya, bro.

Except, you know, reversed genders, or something. It's all getting too confusing...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X41tf3kCqok
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:25 am

Nikki Nyx wrote: Mine are either cultural symbolism or designs that were custom-drawn for me. No idea why, but I have a weird obsession with symbolism.
Nikki tattoos.jpg

I'm bribing your children to take photos of you, while you are sleeping, because I'm a total Australian bastard :D
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Re: What are you listening to?

Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:37 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Nikki Nyx wrote: Mine are either cultural symbolism or designs that were custom-drawn for me. No idea why, but I have a weird obsession with symbolism.
Nikki tattoos.jpg
I'm bribing your children to take photos of you, while you are sleeping, because I'm a total Australian bastard :D
I only have one daughter, and she would tell you to go {!#%@} yourself. :mrgreen: Are you asking me to post pictures of my ink?
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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