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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 03, 2017 9:54 pm

Poodle wrote:Sorry, peeps - we sidetracked.

Not at all...........I stabbed myself because of this issue. You didn't answer the main question: does added nutrient actually increase the alcohol yield in simple sugar type mashes to be worth its expense???

I sense you have a source for some of your wines.....like rhubarb? Anything else that you use/like to use???
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Postby Major Malfunction » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:00 pm

I think it's funny that Vegemite is halal-approved, because it's made from brewer's yeast. And if you know anything about biology, you'd know it's hard to kill yeast.

Which is why you can use it as a starter. Spores. It comes with the added bonus of nutrients from the corpses of their dead compatriots.

I'm sure the black ooze in the new alien movies is Vegemite. You can shoot a jar of that {!#%@} at any star, and it's pretty much guaranteed to start life.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:04 pm

MM: I agree. The issue might be that using the spores/yeast in vegemite would be "too slow" a start and your batch of pruno would go bad in the process. Could work.... off and on I suppose....if even just from the present air borne yeast?
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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:06 pm

Ahhhhh.... the extension flex in my hand is almost restored. The grip function still impacted. could not eat my popscicle last night without great discomfort.
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Postby Poodle » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:08 pm

No. The alcohol yield is determined ONLY by the fermentable sugars available. What nutrients do is provide the yeast cells with energy up to the point at which enough yeast cells have died to take over the nutrient provision function. Low nutrient levels carry the risk of premature ending of fermentation, leaving you with a very sweet, low-alcohol solution and you'd wish you'd put in the nutrients in the first place. There are people who actually use the sludge left behind in their previous fermentations - but you have to be very careful there as, if too much autolysing of dead yeast cells has taken place, you're effectively adding a whole heap of yeast extract and guess how that will taste (that's a multiple choice question - a) like Marmite/Vegemite b) like {!#%@}).

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Postby Poodle » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:11 pm

And just for MM - I've tried several times to raise signs of life from yeast extract. I've never succeeded.

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Postby Major Malfunction » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:27 pm

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:MM: I agree. The issue might be that using the spores/yeast in vegemite would be "too slow" a start and your batch of pruno would go bad in the process. Could work.... off and on I suppose....if even just from the present air borne yeast?

You never know what you might get from the air. I had a brewer friend who said he got a psychedelic brew once. "Did you save the yeast?!?" I asked, with some fervency. "No." "You {!#%@} idiot." "Yes." "You could've been rich!" "I know. Now..."

If you've got a decent microscope you can watch yeast forming spores in real time. They contract their DNA into a hard little shell, which is almost indestructible. Even an autoclave can't kill all the buggers.
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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:51 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:I think it's funny that Vegemite is halal-approved,
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:53 pm

Psychedelic Brew?........No wonder Poodle spends all his days and nights at the task. ............... and he said it was a hobby.
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Postby Poodle » Tue Oct 03, 2017 10:58 pm

Never once did I say it was a hobby!

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Postby Major Malfunction » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:14 pm

You know yeast is fungus, right? Mushrooms are fungus. Fungi are eukaryotes. We share more in common with them than plants. They can dissociate into single cells, then reform into complex colonies. Some of them can even walk around, seemingly intelligently.

And seemingly, many of them have learnt how to type on t3h innwebs.
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Postby Poodle » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:23 pm

Your carry-outs are fun guys? What kind of a world do you live in MM?

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Postby Major Malfunction » Tue Oct 03, 2017 11:55 pm

Coopers is the last Aussie-owned brewery, and they produce "live" beer.
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Oxycontin makes my pot kinda pointless.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:20 am

Opiates are great, as are cannabinoids. But as usual, the less you use them, the better effect they have.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:38 am

my aunt usually tokens in the garden. she's penile like that.

...is what a word game offered me. Can I have some of what you guys are having?
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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:25 am

Poodle wrote:Never once did I say it was a hobby!

.........OK..............I said it. BUT:

"...♫ .... I am he As you are he As you are me And we are all together....."

You can't argue with that.
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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

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Major Malfunction wrote:I think it's funny that Vegemite is halal-approved,
How's this for six degrees of separation. CSICOP 1983.jpgHere is a photo of the 1983 CSICOP Board & Friends, with all our leading skeptics. I recently posted this in a UFO debate as the bloke standing up is Philip Klass, who debunked UFOs since the 1950's. However the photo includes the Australian skeptic Dick Smith, who helped James Randi debunk Uri Geller on television. Dick Smith later decided to make a gluten free Vegemite for gluten intolerant persons like Amanda my girlfriend......and here it isOxemite Vegemite.jpg
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Postby xouper » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:45 am

Aztexan wrote:
xouper wrote:
Aztexan wrote:But at least he wouldn't have to deal with a {!#%@} idiot white supremacist rapist holding the highest office in the land so there's that.


He doesn't have to deal with one of those in the US either.


White dudes don't get to declare other white dudes ain't white supremacists just because they say so. It don't work that way, bub. You choose to ignore the facts. Fine. Play dumb. I know.


Dudes (of any color) don't get to declare other dudes are white supremacists just because they say so.

It don't work that way, bub.

You choose to ignore the facts.

Fine. Play dumb.

I know.

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Postby Aztexan » Wed Oct 04, 2017 4:52 am

You win this round.
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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:15 am

Gord wrote: "Dick Smith" sounds like a guy who makes penises using a hammer and anvil.
He actually started Dick Smith Electronics, the equivalent to Radio Shack in the USA. My brother and I bought our first "self assembly kit" electronic ping pong game of him in the mid 1970s. He made enough money to pursue his hobbies of being the first man to fly a helicopter around the world and debunking charlatans. He was James Randi's friend.
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Postby xouper » Wed Oct 04, 2017 5:46 am

Aztexan wrote:You win this round.


No one has won anything.

You expressed your opinion and I expressed mine.

I assume that since my opinion was not formed in a vacuum, then neither was yours.

I assume you can cite "evidence" for your opinion, just as I can cite "evidence" for my opinion.

No one wins. It's a stalemate.

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:04 am

Ha, ha..........I think you both lost.

Both failed to define your terms or provide any analysis.

.................... Therefore.......................

I win.
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Postby xouper » Wed Oct 04, 2017 6:35 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Ha, ha..........I think you both lost.

Both failed to define your terms or provide any analysis.


Waste of time because you said so yourself that you are the final arbiter of what the terms mean and how the analysis is to be interpreted.


bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:.................... Therefore.......................

I win.


Yes indeed.

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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:00 am

I'll take the one on the left.

Thank you.

Thats two in a row.
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Postby xouper » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:14 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I'll take the one on the left.


If you are referring to the person in the red dress, then "Fail". She's not the prize, booboo, even is she was born a male and transgendered.

That leaves the tree, the animal (with post), or the zonk sign (with spiral thingie). Take your pick. Or take all three, doesn't matter to me.

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Postby Major Malfunction » Wed Oct 04, 2017 7:34 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gord wrote: "Dick Smith" sounds like a guy who makes penises using a hammer and anvil.
He actually started Dick Smith Electronics, the equivalent to Radio Shack in the USA. My brother and I bought our first "self assembly kit" electronic ping pong game of him in the mid 1970s. He made enough money to pursue his hobbies of being the first man to fly a helicopter around the world and debunking charlatans. He was James Randi's friend. James and Dick.jpg

Remember when he tried to tow an iceberg from Antarctica to Sydney? He was going to solve Australia's water shortage. Except it melted so fast they had to put it in the fridge, and enough was left for one scotch on the rocks by the time they got back.

He was Australia's Richard Branson, or Elon Musk, back in the day. More money than sense. But still, his antics were amusing. And even inspiring.
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Postby Gord » Wed Oct 04, 2017 11:24 am

Major Malfunction wrote:Remember when he tried to tow an iceberg from Antarctica to Sydney? He was going to solve Australia's water shortage. Except it melted so fast they had to put it in the fridge, and enough was left for one scotch on the rocks by the time they got back.

He was Australia's Richard Branson, or Elon Musk, back in the day. More money than sense. But still, his antics were amusing. And even inspiring.

Oh he's THAT guy! I remember that! I wondered why he didn't just desalinate sea water, it's cheaper and more effective.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Wed Oct 04, 2017 12:07 pm

Don't get me started on the desalination plant.

Our city had been through a 10 year drought. We were down to the last dregs in reserves. One year left at best. The state government rushed a desal plant they promised would be the biggest in the world. I don't know why it had to be the biggest in the world. It was $650M for a 150 gigalitre plant.

Meanwhile, Perth built three 50 gigalitre plants for $50M each.

And you know what? Before they even switched it on, it rained. A lot. We've now got all the water we can hold. About 10 years.

So the plant is doing nothing, but the corporate deal they made means our water bills doubled for the next 30 years to pay for it.
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I'm sure the black ooze in the new alien movies is Vegemite. You can shoot a jar of that {!#%@} at any star, and it's pretty much guaranteed to start life.

Sorry, but I've known of that black ooze since 1969. It's Navy coffee. We used to start a patrol by throwing a cup overboard and having it swim ahead of us. Turned out to be a bad idea as Charlie was afraid to shoot at it.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Oct 05, 2017 1:21 am

What is it? Day 3??? Everything about 90% resolved except for grip stength which is not there at all. I'll give it another week. If I were "stupid" I could have just put up with this without a care....I got poked, things swelled up in a "magical" way...but passed in 2-3 days. Its only my KNOWLEDGE that getting past the skin is every microbes base desire that worries me. Especially after reading that Hugh Hefner died from anti-biotic resistant ecoli. I mean.........is the War of Worlds finally taking this turn? If Hugh Hefner dies under doctor care in a Hospital from what 20 years ago would have been cured in his doctors office.................we are on a sinking ship headed for the iceberg that is on methane ice fire.

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Postby Gord » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:24 am

Major Malfunction wrote:Don't get me started on the desalination plant.

Our city had been through a 10 year drought. We were down to the last dregs in reserves. One year left at best. The state government rushed a desal plant they promised would be the biggest in the world. I don't know why it had to be the biggest in the world. It was $650M for a 150 gigalitre plant.

Meanwhile, Perth built three 50 gigalitre plants for $50M each.

And you know what? Before they even switched it on, it rained. A lot. We've now got all the water we can hold. About 10 years.

So the plant is doing nothing, but the corporate deal they made means our water bills doubled for the next 30 years to pay for it.

So it worked then.

Might've been cheaper to just get everyone in the city to wash their cars, though. That's also bound to make it rain.
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sat Oct 07, 2017 4:17 am

Please check my LOGIC on this one: After two years, my dvr recorder is starting to not respond to my remote. New batteries...no joy. With my recent remote issues, I started to panic and look for a LEARNING remote to replace this rare remote, then it started working again. Here's the rub.....I have two remotes from having made a prior purchase of the same unit. Of note: the second remote started not working as well. Not quite as bad as the first remote...but still "bad." The manual button on the recording unit works just fine....but who wants to walk to the unit every commercial break?

upshot: the remote units seems to work "in unison" both working fine, then not working, then working again. I'm thinking its the receiver in the unit rather than the remote..... so buying a Learning Remote is not going to help.

My solution....put up with it. I am constantly monitoring Amazon and New Egg for the next generation of game recorders that encode in the new h.265 codec. They are out there for "broadcasters" but not yet for the home user. Surprising this new tech is not actively incorporated and hyped. I assume the patent holder has some interest in the old technology?

Technology..........lots of pros and cons.

I've just rediscoverd that show recorded at 1080 are no better than shows recorded at 480!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When viewed from 20 feet away. Even up close, too close, the difference isn't worth the file size difference. Again of note: the file size is one half even though the resolution is much less than 1/4th. A disproportionate trade off.

If I didn't know that 1080 was an option, I'd be totally happy with the low resolution recording. Yet....I find myself hesitant to record in the lower resolution. CAPTURED....by habit pattern and hyped up claims of quality. And I currently complain there is not enough 1080 original material.............and Super HD is being pushed very hard with virtually NO content available..........without subscription.

What is a cost conscious techie to do?
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Postby Aztexan » Sat Oct 07, 2017 8:35 am

Stop arguing with xoup?
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with?...................... at????

Prepositions are hard.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Oct 07, 2017 11:41 am

Gord wrote:So it worked then.

Might've been cheaper to just get everyone in the city to wash their cars, though. That's also bound to make it rain.

We weren't allowed to wash our cars. Or shower alone. Or flush the toilet. You had to shower with a bucket, at least, and use that to flush the toilet. And we had actual Water Police and vigilantes patrolling the streets.

It was called Smellbourne for a reason. :)
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:07 pm

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Crazy couple of weeks. Week One was spent finishing up outdoor projects before winter sets in. My front steps, originally poured concrete with far too much gravel, were crumbling along the edges where the treads meet the risers. Quikrete to the rescue.

The next project was finding and filling foundation holes, and checking ground floor windows and doors to prevent the damn field mice from getting in again. A few managed to get in anyway before I discovered that my front door, which is up a full flight of stairs, was not tightly fitted and the rubber sweep left a large enough entry point. Meanwhile, out came the traps. They fell prey to a mixture of peanut butter and jam.

Then, it was off to the new rheumatologist for a painful exam. She ordered 16 blood tests because my ANA (anti-nuclear antibody, a test for autoimmune diseases) came back positive as did tests that reveal inflammation (but no infection). They took 14 vials of blood, a personal record for me. Now I get to wait to see whether tests for SLE, scleroderma, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and mixed connective tissue disease come back positive or negative. And what the three x-rays of my sacroiliac joint reveal. We'll see if I get to fill in any new letters of my diagnosis alphabet. :blink:

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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby Poodle » Sat Oct 07, 2017 5:32 pm

Welcome back, Nikki.
Wow! You should see how things have changed in here. Bobbo's stopped beginning his posts with X=. Gorgeous has taken the oath, Matthew's decided to emigrate to Kazhakstan, Xouper's joined the International Socialists, and Gawdzilla has admitted to a hankering for large, hairy men ...

... and then I woke up.

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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby xouper » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:16 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote:"I heard you missed me...I'm back! I brought my pencil." :mrgreen:


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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby Aztexan » Sat Oct 07, 2017 6:18 pm

Nikki Nyx wrote:"I heard you missed me...I'm back! I brought my pencil." :mrgreen:

Crazy couple of weeks. Week One was spent finishing up outdoor projects before winter sets in. My front steps, originally poured concrete with far too much gravel, were crumbling along the edges where the treads meet the risers. Quikrete to the rescue.

The next project was finding and filling foundation holes, and checking ground floor windows and doors to prevent the damn field mice from getting in again. A few managed to get in anyway before I discovered that my front door, which is up a full flight of stairs, was not tightly fitted and the rubber sweep left a large enough entry point. Meanwhile, out came the traps. They fell prey to a mixture of peanut butter and jam.

Then, it was off to the new rheumatologist for a painful exam. She ordered 16 blood tests because my ANA (anti-nuclear antibody, a test for autoimmune diseases) came back positive as did tests that reveal inflammation (but no infection). They took 14 vials of blood, a personal record for me. Now I get to wait to see whether tests for SLE, scleroderma, Hashimoto's thyroiditis, and mixed connective tissue disease come back positive or negative. And what the three x-rays of my sacroiliac joint reveal. We'll see if I get to fill in any new letters of my diagnosis alphabet. :blink:

It took me some time to process all this, and kick the depression demons out of my skull.


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