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Postby gorgeous » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:01 pm

better than jury selection...
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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:02 pm

Gord wrote:Root canal scheduled for the 24th.

It'll be my first root canal. I hear they're fun! 8-)


Only if the anesthesia doesn't take. :-P
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Postby Gord » Fri Jan 12, 2018 10:07 pm

Oh, I hate anaesthesia. Can't I just hold my breath or something?
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Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:11 pm

:? If you hold your nose at anesthesia, you'll need one of these.
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Ask for the kettle and mallet ...

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:34 pm

I had 2-3 root canals. Not much different than any work as I got pain numbing shots. Not put under gas. It was such a nothing to me, I wondered what all the fuss was about.

Of interest: I assume this is from the root canal....seems like the doc severed the pain nerves as well as I have a new cavity I can feel with my tongue....but it doesn't hurt. Also.....the procedure strips away some of your gums. I don't know why I think I should have been told of these things BEFORE HAND..........not that it "should have" changed any decision to have the procedure.

Whats fun is reading all the new procedures that are supposed to dissolve cavities, rebuild teeth and gums and so forth. WHERE ARE THEY????????? Same with 20 years ago I saw instead of colonoscopy....just swallow a camera. WHERE IS THAT???????? OR even better....just a lab test of your spit. WHERE IS THAT????????

I suspect the AMA works overtime to keep new tech off the market.
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Postby TJrandom » Fri Jan 12, 2018 11:39 pm

We have the aswaller camera... but you might want to ask how many times it has been used.

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TJrandom wrote:We have the asswaller camera... but you might want to ask how many times it has been used.

ftfy :-P
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More idiots who have read part of one book telling me what happened at Pearl Harbor. {!#%@} 'em.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:51 am

Gord wrote:Oh, I hate anaesthesia. Can't I just hold my breath or something?


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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:13 am

Gord wrote:Oh, I hate anaesthesia. Can't I just hold my breath or something?

I had a minor surgery, and the anesthesiologist was a total {!#%@} n00b. A bloody apprentice, or something. He stuck me a dozen times before he could find a vein, and those needles aren't thin. I was kicking the end of the bed and swearing at him. "Ouch! OW! Jesus {!#%@} Christ! Can we get a professional in here?!?" The surgeons thought it was amusing.

But then they gave me "something to help me relax". And I was like, "I don't feel anything..." *snore*

First time I was ever unconscious, well, except that time I crashed my dirt bike and hit my head. Helmets are good.
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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:19 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I had 2-3 root canals.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Brush your teeth, dickhead. :P

And yes, the root canal, by definition, kills the nerves.
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Gord wrote:Oh, I hate anaesthesia. Can't I just hold my breath or something?

I had a minor surgery, and the anesthesiologist was a total {!#%@} n00b. A bloody apprentice, or something. He stuck me a dozen times before he could find a vein, and those needles aren't thin. I was kicking the end of the bed and swearing at him. "Ouch! OW! Jesus {!#%@} Christ! Can we get a professional in here?!?" The surgeons thought it was amusing.


So I had to have an endoscopy when I was 25 and my mother took me to day surgery. The anesthetist wanted to know how much Valium to give me and asked if I took any illegal drugs and how much. My mother said "No he doesn't take drugs". It was like having a broom handle shoved down your throat while 100% straight. . :D

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Postby Major Malfunction » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:44 am

And it's a bit difficult to ask for more in that position. :)
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:11 pm

gorgeous wrote:was called to jury selection for a murder trial....5 yr. girl's throat slashed by mom's ex allegedly....we had to answer 14 pages of questions on our beliefs on death penalty, the jury system, religious views, spouses views, tv and movie preferences, church affiliations, fav and most hated celebrities....ridiculous....why should they be able to nitpick jury members like that ????
Because it's the law. The accused is entitled to a jury that has no preconceptions about him and the crime of which he is accused. For example, a woman who has experienced domestic abuse can't really be impartial in the matter of a man accused of beating his wife.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:14 pm

Gord wrote:My father curls in a seniors league...
Every time I read this, a picture forms in my mind of a group of seniors armed with curling irons and permanent waves arguing over the difference between a curl and a ringlet. :mrgreen:
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Postby gorgeous » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:15 pm

most have heard of the case...they want jurors fitting their needs...biased
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:21 pm

Gord wrote:Root canal scheduled for the 24th.

It'll be my first root canal. I hear they're fun! 8-)
Not that this is a competition, but I can top that. I finally got in to see the dentist about my ongoing agony, but it wasn't my usual dentist. He took a panarex, then told me I had a great deal of bone loss in my jaw, and that he would refer me to a specialist, but that the teeth would most likely end up having to be pulled. I'm like, "So why the {!#%@} have I spent the past two years suffering the pain and payment of all these fillings if it wasn't possible to save the teeth?" *crickets*

I will be asking the specialist (and my dental insurance company) quite a lot of pointed questions about this. Two of the teeth that were just filled before xmas are actually loose, so what was the point of filling them? I smell a scam.

The fun part will be arguing with both medical and dental insurance about paying for bone grafts, since that's my only medical option. #UniversalHealthCareNOW
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:29 pm

Major Malfunction wrote:An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.
A pound of prevention didn't help me. After every meal, I rinse with water and baking soda to nullify the acid, brush with prescription toothpaste, floss, brush between my teeth with a tiny brush, and rinse with antimicrobial mouthwash. I even brush my tongue. None of which counters heredity and autoimmune disease. :burn:

It does, however, disprove the existence of god, IMO. An omni-everything being would have designed so that only the best DNA gets passed down, and never would never have released Human 1.0 with a bug like autoimmune disease. Clearly, there should have been more beta testing.
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:32 pm

gorgeous wrote:most have heard of the case...
Yes, that's the problem. The defense attorney should push for a change of venue.
gorgeous wrote:they want jurors fitting their needs...
As long as they're within the law, they can get rid of whomever they want.
gorgeous wrote:biased
Against whom?
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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they want certain beliefs ....biased for attorneys..
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gorgeous wrote:they want certain beliefs ....biased for attorneys..
Their goal is to put together as unbiased a jury panel as possible so that the defendant gets a fair trial. When the defendant has been accused of murder, it would be unfair for the jury to include people who have already formed opinions about his guilt, anyone who has had a family member or close friend murdered, and so on. Without the process of voir dire, it would be impossible for the defendant to get a fair hearing, since there would be jury members with preconceived opinions. So, you've got it backwards: the process is intended to eliminate bias.
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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Test.

1. Used "Your posts" to go to last page on "Gears" thread. Went to 218 vice 219.

2. Next post will be from 219 directly instead of via "Your posts."
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Test 2. I need a new post to chase. C'mon, other ranks, show your stuff!
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:dwarf:
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Test 2. I need a new post to chase. C'mon, other ranks, show your stuff!

Jo Kay, went to current page that time.

Next, we sacrifice gorgeous to a dumpster.
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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Test.

1. Used "Your posts" to go to last page on "Gears" thread. Went to 218 vice 219.

And which sounds correct - you hadn't posted on this page yet? Or was point 1. an edit?
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After my Promise post above... this time I went directly to the above post....

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Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Test.

1. Used "Your posts" to go to last page on "Gears" thread. Went to 218 vice 219.

And which sounds correct - you hadn't posted on this page yet? Or was point 1. an edit?

1. was "priming the pump".
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Nikki Nyx wrote:"So why the {!#%@} have I spent the past two years suffering the pain and payment of all these fillings if it wasn't possible to save the teeth?" *crickets*

More than any other "real" professional I have dealt with, Dentists are criminal/thieves with a drill. One of them I turned over the the Department of Consumer Affairs/Licensing and they investigated and required the guy to return on average about $200 to his past 30 patients. He claimed it was a mistake of his office nurse. NO JAIL TIME.

Chiropractors are worse if they go outside the boundaries of manipulation. As my favorite docs said: "We can't cure all forms of cancer."

You know.......you look around, and there is corruption everywhere. Takes awhile to recognize hoomans form dog eat dog cultures.
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Gord wrote:My father curls in a seniors league...
Every time I read this, a picture forms in my mind of a group of seniors armed with curling irons and permanent waves arguing over the difference between a curl and a ringlet. :mrgreen:



That is an accurate picture of what goes on behind the scenes, except for the tankards of gin.
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gorgeous wrote:they want certain beliefs ....biased for attorneys..
Their goal is to put together as unbiased a jury panel as possible so that the defendant gets a fair trial. When the defendant has been accused of murder, it would be unfair for the jury to include people who have already formed opinions about his guilt, anyone who has had a family member or close friend murdered, and so on. Without the process of voir dire, it would be impossible for the defendant to get a fair hearing, since there would be jury members with preconceived opinions. So, you've got it backwards: the process is intended to eliminate bias.

It may well have been created to reduce bias, but lawyers are well trained to game the system. So they do. Each side tries to stack the jury their way. Because the sides are adversarial, the system works ok. Their bias neutralizes our bias. Given the lack of critical thinking in the general population, the jury system woks surprisingly well, though, in part, that is due to the Rules of Evidence - some of the critical thinking is done before testimony is given.
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Gord wrote:My father curls in a seniors league...
Every time I read this, a picture forms in my mind of a group of seniors armed with curling irons and permanent waves arguing over the difference between a curl and a ringlet. :mrgreen:
That is an accurate picture of what goes on behind the scenes, except for the tankards of gin.
Tankards of gin? Well, I now have plans for my dotage. :mrgreen:
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gorgeous wrote:they want certain beliefs ....biased for attorneys..
Their goal is to put together as unbiased a jury panel as possible so that the defendant gets a fair trial. When the defendant has been accused of murder, it would be unfair for the jury to include people who have already formed opinions about his guilt, anyone who has had a family member or close friend murdered, and so on. Without the process of voir dire, it would be impossible for the defendant to get a fair hearing, since there would be jury members with preconceived opinions. So, you've got it backwards: the process is intended to eliminate bias.
It may well have been created to reduce bias, but lawyers are well trained to game the system. So they do. Each side tries to stack the jury their way. Because the sides are adversarial, the system works ok. Their bias neutralizes our bias. Given the lack of critical thinking in the general population, the jury system woks surprisingly well, though, in part, that is due to the Rules of Evidence - some of the critical thinking is done before testimony is given.
I agree. I've been called several times, but only selected once...and the rest of my jury was a bunch of idiots who only wanted to vote quickly so they could leave, ignoring the fact they were making a decision about someone's life. I refused to vote until they sat and listened to me analyze the evidence, which pretty much proved 'not guilty.' At the very least, it cast a planetary-sized shadow of reasonable doubt.
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Nikki Nyx wrote:... making a decision about someone's life...

That's the part that weighs so heavily, it's nearly paralyzing...
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like they weighed the choice of slashing a child's throat...
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Postby Poodle » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:19 pm

See, gorgeous, that's what's meant by prejudging the case.

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Postby gorgeous » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:23 pm

the child is still dead...
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Re: What's Grinding Your Gears Today?

Postby TJrandom » Sun Jan 14, 2018 6:28 pm

You did what?


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