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Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Wed Mar 15, 2017 12:13 am

How do we know what is fact and truth in History? Is it not written by the Winners and the elites?

Linked below is a short world was II documentary that challenges main stream ideas about what happened during that time.

World War II: The Last Frontier (2017)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHgUVoREOmg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHgUVoREOmg

A 2017 documentary about the World War II Space Race between the United Stated, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War.

What is truth? Is this any better then the "Official Story"?

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Matthew Ellard » Wed Mar 15, 2017 11:25 pm

trustyoursources wrote:How do we know what is fact and truth in History? Is it not written by the Winners and the elites?

1) Physical evidence must correspond with written histories, so you logic is flawed due to other supporting evidence

2) The "losing German" historians also wrote histories, that matched international peer reviewed conventional history, so your logic is flawed.

3) It is the German internal wartime documents that provide good evidence, so your claim the "winning allies" changed history makes no sense.

I am now going to pass you onto the qualified historians and forum members who review claims about the 1939 -1945 war. I will ask them to review the movie you have linked and make comments.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gord » Thu Mar 16, 2017 12:13 am


To anyone else who intends to watch the whole 16+ minutes: I recommend turning the speed up to 1.5. It changes a bleak, slow video into an exciting blitzkrieg of entertainment!
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 16, 2017 1:57 am

Still flogging this BS around the web?
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Postby scrmbldggs » Thu Mar 16, 2017 2:16 am

Hi, Io the lurker.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Matthew Ellard » Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:15 am

trustyoursources wrote: World War II: The Last Frontier (2017)

Complete crap from start to finish and full of obvious errors. Not worth watching, even for a laugh.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Mar 16, 2017 7:33 am

Well, I lasted for 3 minutes. The JFK speech was difficult to place in the narrative.

.............unless Germany actually won the war.................. "at this point in time, What difference does it make?"
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Postby Kleon_I XYZ Contagion » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:13 pm

This video doesn't have just a lot of errors. It's an error itself, from start to end. If it's not some kind of trolling, I can't think of a person who doesn't know even one single thing right from History. It's a non-stop collection of errors on purpose.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Mar 16, 2017 4:26 pm

Posted on over a dozen forums so far.
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gord » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:47 am

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Well, I lasted for 3 minutes. The JFK speech was difficult to place in the narrative.

You missed the part where he place Edward Snowden during WWII!!
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Matthew Ellard » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:53 am

Gord wrote: You missed the part where he place Edward Snowden during WWII!!
That was cool. So was the part where Trotsky and Lenin saved Leningrad in 1943.

Lenin died in 1924. Trotsky was exiled from Russia in 1928.
:D

The idiot "Trustyoursources" wrote on the Atheist Republic forum.

"I am a documentary film maker and I believe that modern day accepted version of history is faith based nonsense religion. It is very hard to almost impossible to predict what happened long ago in the past even as late as a few decades ago historical accounts are mostly assumptions and wild guesses. To further illustrate my point I made a documentary about world war II that shows it through an alternative lens yet remains as accurate as any other modern day counter part even though the accounts are radically different. For all we know History played out completely differently then we realize and in all likely hood it did."
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/d ... ld-history

However we discover on the "Video editing forum" that it is simply a regular member called "TheOG" who made the video for fun.

"Thanks appreciate it. I tried to make it resemble an old History Channel documentary so that people might buy the premise for longer but in looking back at it, it is no doubt way to slow moving for a joke.
http://www.videoforums.co.uk/threads/51 ... ntary-2017

CASE CLOSED. IDIOT IDENTIFIED. :D

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gord » Fri Mar 17, 2017 5:11 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:...it is no doubt way to slow moving for a joke.
http://www.videoforums.co.uk/threads/51 ... ntary-2017

Ha! He read my comment! :mrgreen:

Edit: He also "loved" it. Is that a new sexual thing they do on youtube? :shb:
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby scrmbldggs » Fri Mar 17, 2017 6:09 am

'Loving' everything (you've got no clue about) seems a Trumpian thing. Maybe it's catching?
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 1:55 pm

trustyoursources wrote:How do we know what is fact and truth in History? Is it not written by the Winners and the elites?

Linked below is a short world was II documentary that challenges main stream ideas about what happened during that time.

World War II: The Last Frontier (2017)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHgUVoREOmg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHgUVoREOmg

A 2017 documentary about the World War II Space Race between the United Stated, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union at the height of the Cold War.

What is truth? Is this any better then the "Official Story"?


WTF is this? I got about halfway through and turned it off.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:18 pm

Just a troll.
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby TJrandom » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:01 pm

Its his alternate world. Nothing to do with history in ours.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Mar 17, 2017 11:39 pm

TJrandom wrote:Its his alternate world. Nothing to do with history in ours.

Not even that, just some childish person looking to cause disruptions.
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:08 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:09 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
Gord wrote: You missed the part where he place Edward Snowden during WWII!!
That was cool. So was the part where Trotsky and Lenin saved Leningrad in 1943.

Lenin died in 1924. Trotsky was exiled from Russia in 1928.
:D

The idiot "Trustyoursources" wrote on the Atheist Republic forum.

"I am a documentary film maker and I believe that modern day accepted version of history is faith based nonsense religion. It is very hard to almost impossible to predict what happened long ago in the past even as late as a few decades ago historical accounts are mostly assumptions and wild guesses. To further illustrate my point I made a documentary about world war II that shows it through an alternative lens yet remains as accurate as any other modern day counter part even though the accounts are radically different. For all we know History played out completely differently then we realize and in all likely hood it did."
http://www.atheistrepublic.com/forums/d ... ld-history

However we discover on the "Video editing forum" that it is simply a regular member called "TheOG" who made the video for fun.

"Thanks appreciate it. I tried to make it resemble an old History Channel documentary so that people might buy the premise for longer but in looking back at it, it is no doubt way to slow moving for a joke.
http://www.videoforums.co.uk/threads/51 ... ntary-2017

CASE CLOSED. IDIOT IDENTIFIED. :D


Bravo

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:32 am

Wow, that was random. Never thought he would come back.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gord » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:49 am

trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Trolls can be artists and/or filmmakers! :shakefist:
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Sun Jul 09, 2017 9:43 am

Gord wrote:Trolls can be artists and/or filmmakers! :shakefist:


Does Oliver Stone ever post here?......................... I actually kinda like his work. He pushes my envelope.
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:07 am

trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:14 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:16 pm

Jeffk 1970 wrote:Wow, that was random. Never thought he would come back.


My bad I would have come back sooner but I spaced out

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:17 pm

Gord wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Trolls can be artists and/or filmmakers! :shakefist:


Very true and to be fair this documentary had to be made with a sprinkle of troll.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:19 pm

Idk if anyone cares but I just released a new documentary and its not a troll piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6phUjAXqCT4&t=7s

If you care enough to check it out I would like some feed back. Thanks

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:19 pm

trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

And you're going to stay stupid.
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:29 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

And you're going to stay stupid.


Is this one of those things where we keep commenting forever because we firmly believe with every inch of our beings the argument can only be won by getting in the last word?

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:29 pm

trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

And you're going to stay stupid.


Is this one of those things where we keep commenting forever because we firmly believe with every inch of our beings the argument can only be won by getting in the last word?


If it is I'm super down bro just want to make sure that's what we are doing.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 09, 2017 5:51 pm

trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

And you're going to stay stupid.


Is this one of those things where we keep commenting forever because we firmly believe with every inch of our beings the argument can only be won by getting in the last word?

Nope, I just like keeping you going. I'm a historian by trade, and I don't like idiots.
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:03 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

And you're going to stay stupid.


Is this one of those things where we keep commenting forever because we firmly believe with every inch of our beings the argument can only be won by getting in the last word?

Nope, I just like keeping you going. I'm a historian by trade, and I don't like idiots.


A historian by trade? What type of historian are you/what area of history do you study? btw I am a historian too my credentials are my art (Not by trade though, I don't get paid for it yet).

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:04 pm

trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

And you're going to stay stupid.


Is this one of those things where we keep commenting forever because we firmly believe with every inch of our beings the argument can only be won by getting in the last word?

Nope, I just like keeping you going. I'm a historian by trade, and I don't like idiots.


A historian by trade? What type of historian are you/what area of history do you study? btw I am a historian too my credentials are my art (Not by trade though, I don't get paid for it yet).


Idk if you care but if you want to watch my latest documentary here is a link this one is about Jesus Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6phUjAXqCT4&t=59s

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Jeffk 1970 » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:39 pm

trustyoursources wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

And you're going to stay stupid.


Is this one of those things where we keep commenting forever because we firmly believe with every inch of our beings the argument can only be won by getting in the last word?

Nope, I just like keeping you going. I'm a historian by trade, and I don't like idiots.


A historian by trade? What type of historian are you/what area of history do you study? btw I am a historian too my credentials are my art (Not by trade though, I don't get paid for it yet).


Idk if you care but if you want to watch my latest documentary here is a link this one is about Jesus Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6phUjAXqCT4&t=59s


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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Jul 09, 2017 6:48 pm

200 tetrabytes of files here: http://ibiblio.org/hyperwar
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Jul 10, 2017 12:52 am

trustyoursources wrote:[A historian by trade? What type of historian are you?
Gawdzilla's academic area includes Japanese war time signals. As this forum has a large anti-holocaust denial subforum, it also has many historians who specialise in politics and wartime events.
viewforum.php?f=39

When you first posted your bogus history video, everyone here assumed you were a holocaust denier, as they (holocaust deniers) produce large numbers of bogus history documentaries. We destroy these people. (See "Eric Hunt")

I suggest you think very carefully before making any unusual claims.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Mon Jul 10, 2017 1:05 am

I read Rise and Fall of the Third Reich when it first came out in paperback. I was in the 5th grade. Needed a dictionary.
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby Gord » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:06 am

trustyoursources wrote:Idk if anyone cares but I just released a new documentary and its not a troll piece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6phUjAXqCT4&t=7s

If you care enough to check it out I would like some feed back. Thanks

I don't know about anyone else, but I think your videos are quite funny and entertaining. They are, however, a little slow. (I watched this one at x1.25 speed.)
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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:29 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:[A historian by trade? What type of historian are you?
Gawdzilla's academic area includes Japanese war time signals. As this forum has a large anti-holocaust denial subforum, it also has many historians who specialise in politics and wartime events.
viewforum.php?f=39

When you first posted your bogus history video, everyone here assumed you were a holocaust denier, as they (holocaust deniers) produce large numbers of bogus history documentaries. We destroy these people. (See "Eric Hunt")

I suggest you think very carefully before making any unusual claims.


Things I think are making more sense. To be clear I am not at all in any way shape or form a holocaust denier I did not know there were still many out there to be honest... nuts. I am originally from Belarus a place where a lot of the holocaust took place.

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Re: Alternative World History

Postby trustyoursources » Mon Jul 10, 2017 2:30 am

Jeffk 1970 wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
trustyoursources wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:Just a troll.

An artist and film maker not a troll good sir.

Troll.


Haterz gonna hate

And you're going to stay stupid.


Is this one of those things where we keep commenting forever because we firmly believe with every inch of our beings the argument can only be won by getting in the last word?

Nope, I just like keeping you going. I'm a historian by trade, and I don't like idiots.


A historian by trade? What type of historian are you/what area of history do you study? btw I am a historian too my credentials are my art (Not by trade though, I don't get paid for it yet).


Idk if you care but if you want to watch my latest documentary here is a link this one is about Jesus Christ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6phUjAXqCT4&t=59s


I normally spend most of my time here:
http://www.skepticforum.com/viewforum.php?f=39

You are welcome to join me.


Ill have to check the forum out thanks for the invite.


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