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The toughest animal

Postby Lance Kennedy » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:30 pm

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tardigrade

Tardigrades, also called water bears, are microscopic, segmented, multicellular animals. They are the toughest creatures on Earth. They can survive being dipped in liquid nitrogen, pressure cooked, exposed to hundreds of times the lethal human radiation dose, or even left in the cold and vacuum of space for years. They are not extremophiles, and simply go into a kind of sleep until the conditions return to normal.

Researchers are working on their genome, and trukng to nail down the genetic basis for their remarkable toughness. It occurs to me to wonder if some of the those genes might end up in the genomes of our descendents, making them likewise able to tolerate otherwise lethal conditions. Perhaps the magical abilities of the X Man called wolverine can be put into people in the future.

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Re: The toughest animal

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Aug 15, 2017 9:52 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote: It occurs to me to wonder if some of the those genes might end up in the genomes of our descendents, making them likewise able to tolerate otherwise lethal conditions.

How could they "not"?

There is a serious high, broad, and bright line for many issues to cross: that line between sub-atomic and larger scale items? Same issues with microscopic vs built the microscope size/complexity issues?

We can wonder about everything. But where to focus?
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Poodle » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:38 pm

Eat more tardigrades.

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Re: The toughest animal

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Tue Aug 15, 2017 10:41 pm

I'm sure that only applies to lerts.

"Tardigrades (also called water bears or moss piglets) refer to over 1,150 species of microscopic aquatic animals that can be found in moss, ferns, lichens, soil, beaches, dunes, and other damp habitats all over the planet… and you can find one in this excellent science experiment "

"moss piglets" .... ain't that cute?
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:42 am

Some of my skepticism is directed at those people who claim certain things will never be done because of the morality. I remember in the 1960's when the idea of human artificial insemination was considered " beyond the pale " because it would be so immoral. Today it is widespread and accepted.

In today's world, the idea of cloning humans or genetically engineering humans is also considered " beyond the pale ". Do you think this attitude will last longer than the moral opposition to artificial insemination of humans ?

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Aug 16, 2017 1:47 am

I think the idea of cloning humans is already accepted.

Where ya been?
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:54 am

The idea of cloning whole humans is still terribly controversial. Some tissue cloning is accepted, but that is not the same thing.

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Re: The toughest animal

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Aug 16, 2017 3:54 am

Ever since that Harry Mudd cloned all those hot blonds on Star Trek....cloning whole humans has been number one on every guys to do list.

What in the world makes you think there are any negative public sentiments about it?

Your SOURCE................. not your opinion.
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:06 am

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethics_of_cloning

Reference above includes discussion of the controversy around human cloning.

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Re: The toughest animal

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:17 am

Zero content re publics attitude.

Strike One.
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 4:38 am

Bobbo

You are nuts.
I said the topic was controversial. My reference agrees.
What, really, are you arguing about ? Duh !

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Postby Gord » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:57 am

A wolverine could totally eviscerate your little "water bear". Those things are awesome. I once saw a herd of wolverines strip a hippopotamus to the bone in under a minute.
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Austin Harper » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:23 pm

The wolverine would have to find the water bear first. They're only .5 mm long!
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Aug 16, 2017 6:29 pm

Poodle wrote:Eat more tardigrades.

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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Lance Kennedy » Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:29 pm

Gord wrote:A wolverine could totally eviscerate your little "water bear". Those things are awesome. I once saw a herd of wolverines strip a hippopotamus to the bone in under a minute.


I love your sense of humor, Gord.

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Re: The toughest animal

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Aug 16, 2017 10:53 pm

Lance Kennedy wrote:Bobbo

You are nuts.
I said the topic was controversial. My reference agrees.
What, really, are you arguing about ? Duh !

Your reference only makes conclusionary statements...the same error you make that you were asked to correct.

Let me demonstrate: "There are Earth Colonies well established on the Moon, but many disagree with this use of limited financial resources thought better spent elsewhere." See? Establishing Earth Colonies is controversial.

maybe this will help you out since I did give you StarTrek, it might have been too ethereal for your base contemplation: EVERYONE IS PRO HUMAN CLONING...... the young hot willing blonds. NOONE wants endless copies of Dennis Rodman. Yes...everyone is pro-cloning but against any mistakes. Its like driving to the grocery store in that respect.
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Lance Kennedy » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:39 am

All I claimed was that the subject was controversial and it is.

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Re: The toughest animal

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 17, 2017 12:57 am

Yes......just like any subject is controversial? Like evolution???

.............. or.............. for real????

aka: in any "for real" sense, anything that is going to come/be whether you like it or not........how controversial is it?
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Lance Kennedy » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:39 am

Bobbo

You quibble.

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Re: The toughest animal

Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:45 am

Lance Kennedy wrote:Bobbo

You quibble.

Indeed. and I've grown tired of it. I can only pretend to be the actual asshat I am.

.........but it is coming, like it or not.
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Re: The toughest animal

Postby Gord » Thu Aug 17, 2017 8:06 am

Austin Harper wrote:The wolverine would have to find the water bear first. They're only .5 mm long!

That's what phone books are for.

Tardy Grave: "There's a water bear somewhere on this table."
Wolverince: *WHACK! with a phone book* "Found him!"
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