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Aw crap, it had to happen coincidentally on Christmas Day, didn't it.... Now the woopers will have one more thing to fantasise about.

So they had one in September, have sorted out enough data to feel confident about one in December, and still have one in between (October) that they're not confident enough to call a black hole merger. I've had trouble finding a list of potential candidates in the past, so this is some more information that I didn't actually have before.

Oh wait, the Christmas Day event actually occurred at 03:38:53 GMT on December 26th, so it's actually a Boxing Day event, not a Christmas Day event.

https://www.ligo.caltech.edu/news/ligo20160615

The two LIGO gravitational wave detectors in Hanford Washington and Livingston Louisiana have caught a second robust signal from two black holes in their final orbits and then their coalescence into a single black hole. This event, dubbed GW151226, was seen on December 26th at 03:38:53 (in Universal Coordinated Time, also known as Greenwich Mean Time), near the end of LIGO's first observing period ("O1"), and was immediately nicknamed "the Boxing Day event".

Hanford Washington is in the Pacific Time Zone and Livingston Louisiana is in the Central Time Zone, so to them it would have still been December 25th (20:38:53 and 21:38:53 respectively), but times for interstellar events are generally based on Universal Time (UT) because it's the standard based on Earth's rotation. (UT is basically just the Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) with a few complications thrown into the mix because...well, science likes to get complicated on the nitty gritty details that nobody else thinks is important.)
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Gord wrote:... well, science likes to get complicated on the nitty gritty details that nobody else thinks is important.)



... are ...

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Is that right Poodle? I'm actually anti-grammarian but another way to phrase the sentence is: "What is important is the nitty gritty details.?=====> oops. I guess that second is really should be an arrrrrgh? Well....it started off with a point.
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Post by Poodle » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:49 pm

Actually, Bobbo, the example you give is a good case for discussion, Gord's, however, isn't - and it grieves him when he's caught doing what he delights in pointing out when others do it.

Fight schadenfreude with schadenfreude, I say. Anyway, he'll get his own back on me soon.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 16, 2016 3:52 pm

Yes, I enjoyed that point you scored. You say I have a point worth discussing? Now I'm confused. Agreement in the case of collective nouns?.........that end is "s". THAT is why I'm anti-grammarian.
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Post by Poodle » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:12 pm

Depends upon how the plural is identified, bobbo.

"Butterflies are my favourite insects" (subject).
"My favourite subject is butterflies" (object).

My favourite animals are horses.
My favourite animal is a horse.
But ...
My favourite subject is horses.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 16, 2016 4:26 pm

I agree, and I was also thinking of that...but I got confused. Hmmm...use of the word as subject or object does change depending on where you place it. HAH!!!! The Universe has no grammar. Its all just made up stuff.
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Poodle wrote:it grieves him when he's caught doing what he delights in pointing out when others do it.

Typical Pudelhund. You mistake my delight for grief. :P
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:12 pm

I think you transposed your reaction states? does totally depend on what you mean to say.....but in context.... looks like two strikes in a row. (((If you aren't feeling joy......you are doing it wrong...... OR.....why do it at all?)))
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Nnnnnope!
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 16, 2016 5:30 pm

OK..so, when you correct the spelling or grammar of others, you are feeling a sense of grief that others are.......deficient in such skills? So, I'll say again: you are doing it wrong. You should choose joy...that you are providing such folks with an edumacation. Why bring yourself down?

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Bobbo - it's all a joke. It goes back a long time. Gord's one of the good guys, even though he is merely Canadian.

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Jun 16, 2016 9:49 pm

Ha, ha.....Poodle............I'm thinking the same impulse in you that calls me a Right Winger also leads you to not recognize my own "humor?"

As a total aside, as I don't like self referral, I've been forum posting for 20 years and your comment that I'm Right Wing has been the first such comment.....ever. I get blasted for everything other than. I grew up in a household of extreme verbal abuse. Being sarcastic, is the lightest touch I have.

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Now behave, bobbo. I actually did not describe you as right wing. If I recall correctly, the sentence began "From where I sit ..."

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Gord wrote:
Poodle wrote:it grieves him when he's caught doing what he delights in pointing out when others do it.

Typical Pudelhund. You mistake my delight for grief. :P

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:OK..so, when you correct the spelling or grammar of others, you are feeling a sense of grief that others are.......deficient in such skills? So, I'll say again: you are doing it wrong. You should choose joy...that you are providing such folks with an edumacation. Why bring yourself down?

Know what I mean?

I correct errors without emotion, like the Terminator, and am delighted by others correcting me, which has been mistaken for grief. I never said anything about anyone mistaking my grief for delight. Poodle mentioned my delight at pointing out the errors of others, but that's him mistaking my emotionless killing machine ways for delight, not mistaking grief for delight, which no one has brought up until you got confused and invoked fallacious reasoning. Just because he is confusing my delight for grief does not necessarily mean he is confusing my grief for delight. Go back and reread it: I never claimed that I was experiencing grief, and my original statement specifically said it was a mistaken impression on the part of a typical Pudelhund.

Now get in the kitchen and make me a sammich.
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Poodle wrote:Now behave, bobbo. I actually did not describe you as right wing. If I recall correctly, the sentence began "From where I sit ..."

I'll do it then.

b_t_P, despite claiming to espouse many Left Wing sentiments (which you often do not even recognise as such), you are a Right Winger.

There. We done?
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Possibly true. Or not. I am a left-winger with conservative leanings or a right winger with socialist sympathies. A realist, a pragmatist and a card-carrying shit-strirrer.

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Couldn't tell ya. I'm a Communist.
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Gord: that is simply not what you said....not that I care.

Poodle: As with Gord and myself...I really don't care about arguing specifics of anyones "personality." But words are fun. Unless the "you" is different from you versus where you sit the distinction you are attempting if any is wholly irrelevant. Same with applying the label of "liberal."

With all my pro-ing and con-ing, and weighing and balancing, and everything being connected to everything else, and everything being the same and different as everything else....and on and on ad nauseam...I think not much gets past me as to various levels of meaning being presented. Course.........I could always be wrong.........not that that would matter much.

Speaking of physics....I've never understood "the three body problem" where a satellite can gain speed by approaching a planet and being sling-shotted around it. It came up on the recent exit of Voyager from our Solar System, as variously defined. My obviously defective physics says that whatever would be gained on the approach to a planet would get subtracted on its way out...but thats not the way it works? Any easy explanation for that?
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Gord: that is simply not what you said....not that I care.

English, {!#%@}. Learn da bitch!
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:31 am

Gord wrote:English, {!#%@}. Learn da bitch!

Way too ambiguous for me. I can take that about five different directions. As a result, you aren't really saying anything.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:
Gord wrote:English, {!#%@}. Learn da bitch!

Way too ambiguous for me. I can take that about five different directions. As a result, you aren't really saying anything.

:| Sex? Are you talking about sex now?
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Only five positions? Certainly not talking about sex....not even the English.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Only five positions? Certainly not talking about sex....not even the English.

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:I can take that about five different directions.

bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Only five positions? Certainly not talking about sex....not even the English.

Directions aren't positions. You can come from the same direction but from several different positions, and vice versa.

Although speaking of positions, there's one I was trying to remember the name of the other day and I just couldn't find it online. It involves lap sitting back to front and heavy lifting.
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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:... Speaking of physics....I've never understood "the three body problem" where a satellite can gain speed by approaching a planet and being sling-shotted around it. It came up on the recent exit of Voyager from our Solar System, as variously defined. My obviously defective physics says that whatever would be gained on the approach to a planet would get subtracted on its way out...but thats not the way it works? Any easy explanation for that?


The three-body problem? Well, I see your problem. You can't solve the three-body problem. No one can solve the three-body problem.

But that's OK because it's not the three-body problem you're talking about. That's the slingshot effect, and it works (assuming it's acceleration you're after) by stealing some of the orbital energy of the planet itself. As you speed up, the planet slows down. The entire energy balance has been altered, you being the net gainer. So off you shoot back out of the gravity well in a different direction and with more energy than when you started.

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Gord wrote:Directions aren't positions. You can come from the same direction but from several different positions, and vice versa.
Well Gord.....more of your own disjunction requiring others to make the transition for you with your response some kind of quibble. If you were more accurate and expressive to begin with, your own quibbles would be reduced. My statement was I could GO in various directions so your response about COMING from one same direction is error filled to begin with. Most anally oriented people good with spelling and grammar fail on most everything else. When you GO in a different direction, you will find yourself in different positions (in three dimensional space) regardless of the static posture/form of your body.

Gord wrote:Although speaking of positions, there's one I was trying to remember the name of the other day and I just couldn't find it online. It involves lap sitting back to front and heavy lifting..
Sounds close to the reverse cowgirl if the heavy lifting is of her own body....assuming your partners are fat women.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:03 pm

Thanks Poodle....and apologies for taking you away from gravity waves...

From prior googling...I remember the answer did involve the "relative motion" between the larger planets and the smaller satellites but your explanation is only a repeat of my question. The satellite gains speed from gravity as it approaches the planet....why is that gain not all lost as the satellite passes and is going away from the planet....with the planets gravity still pulling on it?

I'm going to look up the three body problem again. I like to have it clearly in my mind what I don't understand.
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LISA pathfinder mission demonstrates proof of concept for a gravitational wave detector in space with millions of kilometers in size, capable of detecting supernovae-gravitational waves.

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bobbo_the_Pragmatist wrote:Thanks Poodle....and apologies for taking you away from gravity waves...

From prior googling...I remember the answer did involve the "relative motion" between the larger planets and the smaller satellites but your explanation is only a repeat of my question. The satellite gains speed from gravity as it approaches the planet....why is that gain not all lost as the satellite passes and is going away from the planet....with the planets gravity still pulling on it?

I'm going to look up the three body problem again. I like to have it clearly in my mind what I don't understand.


these are two different things: the three body problem is describes the fact that we can solve the forces between three bodies only iteratively, not analytically. In practice that means that projecting the movement of three-bodies into the future requires computation, and can be very susceptible to variations in initial conditions, making the problem of two large bodies and a smaller one moving between their gravity-wells an example for chaos theory: that is probably the source of your association.

About sling-shotting: you are right a satellite accelerating towards a stationary planet would lose as much speed leaving as it gained coming.
For the slingshot to work, it has to happen in the direction of the trajectory of the planet's movement around the sun: the planet drags the probe with it, giving it part of its sun-orbital speed.

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Gord wrote:Directions aren't positions. You can come from the same direction but from several different positions, and vice versa.

Well Gord.....more of your own disjunction requiring others to make the transition for you with your response some kind of quibble. If you were more accurate and expressive to begin with, your own quibbles would be reduced. My statement was I could GO in various directions so your response about COMING from one same direction is error filled to begin with.

No it's not, it's sexually suggestive. Regardless of whether you're coming or going, my statement is still an accurate example of how directions aren't positions, which is exactly what I was attempting to say. You can go while I'm coming. It's all fine with me.

Most anally oriented people good with spelling and grammar fail on most everything else.

You made that up. It's clearly not true.

When you GO in a different direction, you will find yourself in different positions (in three dimensional space) regardless of the static posture/form of your body.

You're merging different meanings of "position" now in order to confuse my position on positions.

Gord wrote:Although speaking of positions, there's one I was trying to remember the name of the other day and I just couldn't find it online. It involves lap sitting back to front and heavy lifting..

Sounds close to the reverse cowgirl if the heavy lifting is of her own body....assuming your partners are fat women.

Reverse cowgirl was the first one I looked up, but it's not that. The one I'm thinking of uses a chair. "Reverse seated cowgirl chair lift" doesn't seem to get me any google hits worth looking at....
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ElectricMonk wrote:it has to happen in the direction of the banana of the planet's movement around the sun

Omigod! Someone finally used that word! I set my board censor to replace it with "banana" months ago and had completely forgotten about it until now.

(It shouldn't be this funny, but I'm laughing so hard I can't see through the tears.)
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Gord wrote:Someone finally used that word!

A quick search shows the word has been used 11 times since I set my censor up to change it to "banana". Apparently I thought a lot of you had gone insane and were occasionally babbling about bananas.
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Re: More warp ...

Post by ElectricMonk » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:08 pm

...glad to be of service...

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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:10 pm

ElectricMonk wrote:About sling-shotting: you are right a satellite accelerating towards a stationary planet would lose as much speed leaving as it gained coming.
For the slingshot to work, it has to happen in the direction of the trajectory of the planet's movement around the sun: the planet drags the probe with it, giving it part of its sun-orbital speed.

That makes sense....thanks. Every video I have seen shows the satellite "over taking" the planet and has made me think they were both going in the same direction...but direction is space can confuse me. Not the three body problem....just the one problem body of mine. :D So....here is where Gord's input is so destructive...a reverse slingshot would slow down a satellite near approach if the satelitte came at the planet on the same plane but opposite to the planets rotation around the Sun....and no slingshot effect at all around a rogue planet somewhere out in space?....change your trajectory, but not your speed.

With that hazy start, I think I'll just accept my ignorance on three bodies.

Thanks again.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:21 pm

Gord wrote:Reverse cowgirl was the first one I looked up, but it's not that. The one I'm thinking of uses a chair. "Reverse seated cowgirl chair lift" doesn't seem to get me any google hits worth looking at....

I've never been into the use of equipment when having sex...probably too many parts to handle when I'm inebriated. Sounds then like some kind of version of a basket or hammock job or a Raunchy Rocket. Rare enough that I think you are permitted to make up your own name as its not standardized. About a year ago there was a basket job set up in the corner of the room of some movie we were watching. I started laughing, wifey knows enough not to ask me why.
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Post by bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:26 pm

Since this thread is about warp and space things and sexual positions ..... I would like to try a spinner out (in zero G). Probably never get closer than a quicky (too quick, even with no foreplay) on the Vomit Comet. Its on my bucket list though.
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Post by Poodle » Fri Jun 17, 2016 3:40 pm

I still want to know why Gord chose 'banana' as the substitute for 'trajectory'.

I feel that if he tells us the truth we may be staring deeply into the recesses of his soul.