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Pseudoscience and the audiophile

Postby Nessie » Sun Oct 09, 2011 7:16 pm

I believe psuedoscience dominates and drives much of what goes in in the hifi industry. Here I say that audiophile cable companies are reliant on pseudoscience to sell their products and as such are conning their customers. But this is only one example of the use of pseudoscience. There are others, particularly in claiming sound quality differences in the digital domain.

Cable makers and many of their customers state they can hear a difference in their cables. They are correct as they can hear a difference in the cable. However, what causes that difference?

Here I argue it is not down to the cable itself, there is nothing inherent in a cable that changes sound. What I will show by various examples is that cable makers are continually missing the link needed between how a cable is made and how that affects sound quality. Cable makers have failed to show a connection between their products and not just sound quality but any audible difference at all.

Instead I will show that it is the hype, (by both cable makers and many of their customers) about cables working to change sound quality that causes some people to hear a difference. Hype about cables is a better explanation for hearing differences.

Much of that hype is to suggest new knowledge and R&D that has resulted in evidence cables do affect sound quality. However, what follows is a series of non sequiturs. Even the basic argument of ‘cables are different, I can hear a difference in sound, therefore cables cause the difference in sound’ is clearly potentially flawed. But that is what cable makers rely upon.

The ability to harness and transmit electricity and turn it into something useful is just about the biggest and most influential scientific step taken by mankind. The likes of Benjamin Franklin, Alessandro Volta and Thomas Faraday were conducting experiments and learning how to harness the power of electricity in the 18th and 19th centuries. Various laws of electricity have been known for a good length of time, such as Ohms Law published first in 1827 and have not found to be flawed.

The electric power that we need to power our hifis was first distributed to houses in NY in 1882, though before that individual wealthy people had their own power supplies. Since then with the likes of the current war between AC and DC, experience of and knowledge about the transmission of electricity down a cable has increased dramatically. (2) But we are still using the original discoveries of the 19th century as the basic principles of transmitting electricity down a cable, such skin effect first noted in 1883. (3 )

It was in the 1970s that the idea that cables could be used to improve the sound quality of hifis. QED cables were founded in 1973 and state by 1978 their speaker cable was considered a serious Hifi component. ( 4) Now that idea is common place. There are numerous companies making and marketing cables. A lot of study has gone into the construction of these cables.

What is clear in the following is that cable makers are still using the knowledge that was first being found back in the 19th century. There have been no new discoveries about cables and their inherent properties. It is instead hype.

What is also clear is that they can show different cable construction means differences when it comes to transmitting a signal. But the science runs out when it comes to showing whether those differences are audible or not and how cables can affect sound quality.

In 2008 Russ Andrews claimed and then backed up that claim by measurements that they could show reduced RFI by they way they made their cable. But, they could not link reduced RFI to a better sound, they could only suggest it. As such in 2011 they had to stop advertising their cables as improving sound quality by reducing RFI until they had more ‘robust substantiation’ (5)

Tara Labs have a paper on Constant Current Impedance Testing (CCZT) which shows that there is a measurable difference in differently made cables frequency response. They are not alone there, as such has been shown with various studies. (6) There are measurable differences between cables. Tara Labs say that such differences ‘highlight’ the reason why cable sound different. They say the measurements correlate with what ‘we can hear’. and they can ‘reliably correlate the listening experience to the test bench experience’. But there is no evidence presented to back up how they directly link a difference in the cable to a difference in the sound, beyond they can hear it. They introduce the part of the paper correlating the cable with what they hear simply as ‘the sound…‘.

In 1995 QED published their ‘Genesis Report’ on loudspeaker cable. (7)They comment on the mysticism and pseudo-science around claims about cables. As with Tara Labs, there is a lot of evidence presented to show how a cable can measure differently. Again , that is little doubt. However, there is the issue of linking construction to sound quality.

They put forward an argument that applies to many cables, not just their own that accurate and consistent sounding speaker cables will have low capacitance, inductance, resistance and dielectric losses. They state that certain factors are unlikely to be audible such as skin effect. They also say that blind testing has shown that listeners are unable to discriminate cable directionality. The actual test is not shown and they do not apply blind testing to anything else in their paper. Why use blind listening in one part only, why not use it for all of the claims made by QED?

Chord Cables claim lots of links between cheap cables which come free and ‘destroy‘ the information conveyed by music and their own which allow you to ‘really hear and enjoy your music‘, but as for evidence, none. (8)

ALO cables are superior because they are ‘built by hand’ and they ‘use only the finest materials available’. That is hype about build quality which is then contradicted when they acknowledge the Jena Labs cables copper discolours over time, but that does not affect sound. Yet later they state copper oxide is detrimental to sound. (9) So which one is it? They do not evidence any link to sound quality.

Cardas provide a history of the development of cables from the earliest telegraph systems. By the 1970s, like QED, Cardas state cables were seen as a part of the Hifi chain and along with that came ‘the scream of nay sayers’ who had managed to ‘lose the lesson of our ancestors’. By 2000 the ‘overall depth of knowledge is now at a new level’. That is not the case. I have shown what they are speaking of has been known about for decades or longer. Cardas say that the most important issue is conductor/dielectric transition time differential. But no evidence of how that works or how audible it is, is put forward.(10) Their use of the ‘Golden Ratio’ in cable design is not linked to any claims about audibility. Their use of ‘ultra pure and homogeneous metals’ are supposedly proven to produce the best sound. But no proof is shown. (11) Instead it is hype about build quality. Overall there is a large section on Cardas’ insights into cables, but none contain evidence on how they make their cable is linked to better sound. (12)

Blue Jeans Cables have again gone down the route of showing how there are differences caused to a signal in the way a cable is made. (13) But, again they cannot link that to audibility and only say
“It's fair to say that people differ greatly in their ability to tell the difference between cables or components.” Yes, that is fair, but it is also suggesting the link without evidencing it. (14)

Instead of evidence to show the link we get hype that build quality and differences in cables cause improvements in sound.

Something else lacking in all of the cable company’s claims is peer reviews. If you are going to present white papers, Genesis reports or even insights, a second opinion would be nice.

So, if cable companies cannot show what it is inherent in cables to improves sound quality, then what does?

For examples of how there are listener influences on cable sound quality check out this and many other Hifi forums and Hifi magazine reviews. There you will find many reports that one cable sounds better than another. That just adds to the original hype by the cable makers. All of it is hype. You can also call it placebo, buyer justification and expectation. It better explains why people do hear differences. That those reports of differences are inconsistent and contradictory and are often down to flavour of the month is further evidence they are subjective, they are present only in the listener.

One company who has studied the link between claims about sound and audibility is Harman International who own various speaker brands and AKG. They do not do cables, but since no cable company does similar testing, or will publish their listening test results, we need to look elsewhere. Instead with speakers what they have shown is that blind and sighted tests yield different results. With blind testing the differences are smaller than when you can see what you are listening to. (13)

What Hifi have conducted some blind listening tests where differences have been described between cables. The level and type of difference varies with the person taking part. That suggests the differences are to do with the listener than the cable. (No reference is available as such tests are only published in their magazines).

Then with ABX testing of cables there is no identifiable difference. The evidence for that is here on Head-Fi in a list of ABX tests. (14) There is yet to be a positive ABX cable listening test.

All of the above takes the influence over sound away from the construction of the cable and onto the listener. If the listener knows what they are listening to and they know about the claims of the cable maker and other hype chances are they can hear a difference. If the listener does not know what cable they are listening to in a blind test, those differences are reduced as some of their own influences on listening have been removed. If the listener is then the subject of an ABX test, there is no difference any more as all of their influences have been removed.

It is now up to the individual to decide what to do about that. You can chose, contrary to the evidence that cables inherently do cause sound quality differences and you will likely hear them in your own mind, so giving you pleasure. Or you can decide that the cable itself makes no difference and gain pleasure out of your Hifi as it is as you lose the worries you are not getting the best sound since you don’t have ‘audiophile cables’.

I have listened to Hifi’s with expensive audiophile cables, bought a few relatively expensive audiophile cables and at different times heard and not heard a difference between them. I have made my own cables, I have blind tested and in my own experience the above holds true. I also secretly hope that a cable company can one day find the missing link, the quality in a cable that makes it inherently and provably sound different to other cables. But at the moment there is none and I doubt that there ever will be.

EDIT - Further evidence of the lack of a link is here in a paper submitted for an electrical engineering degree at MIT ... 567257.pdf

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(6) ... esting.pdf

(Originally posted on Head-fi 31/05/11 where I am a member known for being sceptical of much of what is said and written about hifi)
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Re: Pseudoscience and the audiophile

Postby Monster » Sun Oct 09, 2011 10:05 pm

Audio quality myths was published in Skeptic magazine a few years ago too. I don't remember which edition it was.
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Re: Pseudoscience and the audiophile

Postby Nessie » Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:37 am

Maybe the Ethan Winer article. Cooincidentally, with your user name Monster Cables are regularly singled out as over priced and pushed too heavily on unwitting consumers.

HDMI cables in particular are attributed with everything from improving sound quality to helping to stop motion blurring. I and another disenchanted member of the audiophile community are working on a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission regarding reviews of HDMI cables and unfounded claims.
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Re: Pseudoscience and the audiophile

Postby Major Malfunction » Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:43 am

If you look around you can get industrial-strength, braided, shielded, 20-metre HDMI cables for twenny bucks.
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Re: Pseudoscience and the audiophile

Postby Austin Harper » Mon Oct 10, 2011 1:53 pm

I've found [][/url] to be a pretty good online retailer for inexpensive, quality cables.
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The bizzare world of professional musicians

Postby Matthew Ellard » Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:03 am

I managed Rose Tattoo and supplied business management services to large Aussie bands like The Angels, Powderfinger etc Guitarists and bass players are probably right about "valve amps vs transistor amp" but some of them just had nonsensical theories about parallel wired compression units, boiling strings, running their pedals through the backstage fridge and so forth. I was never really clear if it was "stage bravado" or insanity. Thankfully limited budgets sorts these problems out.

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Re: Pseudoscience and the audiophile

Postby Poodle » Tue Oct 11, 2011 10:50 am

Not so much that pseudoscience is in evidence as science being ignored. Audiophiles spend an awful lot of money building up a system with 0.001% distortion only to stick a device on the end of it which will happily supply up to 10% distortion - but then worry about the cables (OK, the most expensive speakers claim 0.1% THD, but even that swamps the rest of the system).

Music is about distortion. Matthew has mentioned the valve versus transistor amp argument, and that's simply about which form of distortion a guitarist prefers, rather than accuracy in reproduction (valve amps clip "fuzzy" whereas transistor amps clip "hard"). How many listeners prefer a "dirty" sax to a "clean" one? Why is it that a concert piano tuned by a human being with an experienced ear sounds "better" than one tuned electronically? Why is a more mature instrument preferred to a new one if not because it has developed "character" - i.e. it is distorting in its own peculiar way? What is it which enables us to distinguish between a C note from a clarinet and a C note from a trombone?

The most important factor affecting the performance of a sound reproduction system is, in any case, the room in which it's being used. Tune the room before worrying overmuch about the cables (oh, and tune it using a graphic equaliser, which introduces - guess what? - distortion).

The OP is correct in stating that extraordinary claims are made for the efficacy of audio equipment - even if the quoted performance is scientifically sound. The truth is (he says, making an unscientific claim) that it's all subjective. Do you like the sound or do you not like the sound? Quantify that, and we're home and dry.

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Re: Pseudoscience and the audiophile

Postby xouper » Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:04 pm

Here's one of my favorite audio scams:

Machina Dynamica's latest product is The Super intelligent Chip - the third and latest version of the Intelligent Chip, a small adhesive-backed silver disc that is attached to the surface of the lower portion of the CD tray used for Mini Discs. This placement allows the Super Intelligent Chip to be inserted inside the player along with the CD to be treated. The CD to be treated is allowed to play for about 1-2 seconds. The CD will then be permanently upgraded and will sound much more open, detailed and dynamic, with no distortion - better than a remastered version! When not in use The Super Intelligent Chip should be stored in its protective foil wrapper. The Super Intelligent Chip treats 14 CDs, DVDs, SACDs or Blu-ray discs. Available only from Machina Dynamica. Price $29.

Once Upon A Time, I emailed the owner, Geoff Kait, and asked him in what way does his device alter the bits encoded in the audio CD?. He said it does not change the bits. I then asked him how could the sound possibly be different if the bits are unchanged? He said his device alters the transparency of the polycarbonate layer. I said, I'm not having any transparency problems on any of my audio CDs. He said, just try it and you will hear the difference. Sorry, Geoff, your device is a scam. But he's still in business apparently.

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Re: Pseudoscience and the audiophile

Postby Nessie » Wed Oct 12, 2011 10:20 am

This site is famous

for the ridiculous stuff it sells. But, it is a wind up set up by a former banned member of an audio forum as a clever revenge against those audiophiles who do follow pseudoscience. I beleive he does manage to sell some stuff :shock:

If the rip offs were just amoungst a few wealthy daft audiophiles, I would think that is not so bad. But it is filtering down to everday products sold in high st/retail park stores. HDMI cables in particular are pushed by salesmen who often ignorantly think they do enhance picture and sound quality and more expensive is better.

Some consumer advice programmes, such as the BBCs Watchdog and here

have started to pick up on the unfounded claims and what a scam this is.
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