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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:14 pm

Don't call us snowflakes - it damages our mental health, say young people
Teh Gruniad (UK)

eing called a "snowflake" is damaging to mental health, young people say. Figures show that the majority of young people think the term is unfair - and even more think it could have a negative effect of its own.

The "snowflake generation" is a disparaging term now commonly used to refer to young people, who are perceived to be over-sensitive and intolerant of disagreement.

But research by insurance firm Aviva found that 72 per cent of 16-24 year-olds think the term is unfairly applied, while 74 per cent think it could have a negative effect on young people's mental health.

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Damn! No actual "study" of whether it harms mental health, let alone evidences.

Only feels.

I suggest a real experiment to pin this down :pr:
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:52 pm

You don't think feelings drive mental health?
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Postby TJrandom » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:11 pm

But an experiment or scientific study would be so very unfair and leave a funny feeling... hurt, disillusioned, embarrassed...

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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:13 pm

Thats why you use college students, volunteers. Pay them a donut.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:23 am

There is plenty of evidence from Actual Studies that disparaging stereotypical epithets damage self-esteem and mental health. As far as sensitivity goes, how do you know that they are oversensitive, as opposed to the possibility that previous generations have been undersensitive?

You might start by asking the gropees.
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Postby Gord » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:51 am

I'm pretty sure there have been studies on the effects of bullying before.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:22 am

Define bullying.

Is it "saying anything I don't like"?
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Postby Poodle » Thu Dec 07, 2017 11:39 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Define bullying.

Is it "saying anything I don't like"?

According to the Oxford Snowflake Dictionary, that's exactly what it means. But just call me old-fashioned. On second thought, don't - it may hurt my feelings and damage my life experience.

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Postby Gord » Thu Dec 07, 2017 2:02 pm

Abdul Alhazred wrote:Define bullying.

Is it "saying anything I don't like"?

Sort of.

Wikipedia says: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullying

Bullying is the use of force, threat, or coercion to abuse, intimidate, or aggressively dominate others. The behavior is often repeated and habitual. One essential prerequisite is the perception, by the bully or by others, of an imbalance of social or physical power, which distinguishes bullying from conflict. Behaviors used to assert such domination can include verbal harassment or threat, physical assault or coercion, and such acts may be directed repeatedly towards particular targets. Rationalizations of such behavior sometimes include differences of social class, race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, appearance, behavior, body language, personality, reputation, lineage, strength, size, or ability. If bullying is done by a group, it is called mobbing.

Bullying can be defined in many different ways. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland has no legal definition of bullying, while some states in the United States have laws against it. Bullying is divided into four basic types of abuse – emotional (sometimes called relational), verbal, physical, and cyber. It typically involves subtle methods of coercion, such as intimidation....

https://www.bullyingcanada.ca/what-is-bullying says:

What is Bullying?
Many children have a good idea of what bullying is because they see it every day! Bullying happens when someone hurts or scares another person on purpose and the person being bullied has a hard time defending themselves. So, everyone needs to get involved to help stop it.

Bullying is wrong! It is behaviour that makes the person being bullied feel afraid or uncomfortable. There are many ways that young people bully each other, even if they don't realize it at the time. Some of these include:

Punching, shoving and other acts that hurt people physically
Spreading bad rumours about people
Keeping certain people out of a group
Teasing people in a mean way
Getting certain people to "gang up" on others

The four most common types of bullying are:

Verbal bullying -- name-calling, sarcasm, teasing, spreading rumours, threatening, making negative references to one's culture, ethnicity, race, religion, gender, or sexual orientation, unwanted sexual comments.

Social Bullying -- mobbing, scapegoating, excluding others from a group, humiliating others with public gestures or graffiti intended to put others down.

Physical Bullying -- hitting, poking, pinching, chasing, shoving, coercing, destroying or stealing belongings, unwanted sexual touching.

Cyber Bullying -- using the internet or text messaging to intimidate, put-down, spread rumours or make fun of someone....

So yes, I would say that calling people "snowflakes" is a form of bullying.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:38 pm

But (totally totally hypothetically of course) if it damages their mental health does that mean we could turn them all into raving lunatics if we keep it up? ;)
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Postby bobbo_the_Pragmatist » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:20 pm

I thought the point was they already are?
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Postby TJrandom » Thu Dec 07, 2017 6:50 pm

Gord wrote: ... So yes, I would say that calling people "snowflakes" is a form of bullying.


But is it bullying if they are a snowflake? The DSM codes for snowflake seem to be… 309.24, F43.22.

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Postby Gord » Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:36 am

Abdul Alhazred wrote:But (totally totally hypothetically of course) if it damages their mental health does that mean we could turn them all into raving lunatics if we keep it up? ;)

That's only if they aren't already raving lunatics.
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Postby Abdul Alhazred » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:54 am

Gord wrote:
Abdul Alhazred wrote:But (totally totally hypothetically of course) if it damages their mental health does that mean we could turn them all into raving lunatics if we keep it up? ;)

That's only if they aren't already raving lunatics.


That just proves it's already working. :mrgreen:
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