“The disease called man”--Nietzsche

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“The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby coberst » Fri Jan 04, 2008 10:55 am

“The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Aristotle said that all men seek happiness. Freud said that the goal of the pleasure-principle is happiness. Man’s desire for happiness sets at odds to the reality-principle. It is the reality-principle that propels the world into tomorrow. Humans naturally seek what they wish but “reality imposes on human beings the necessity of renunciation of pleasures”.

Therein lay the rub and the rub is called repression.

Freud says that the whole edifice of psychoanalysis is constructed on the theory of repression—the essence of society is the repression of the individual--the essence of the individual is repression of him or her self—Freud’s theory is that the phenomena dreams, neurotic symptoms, and errors are caused—i.e. the principle of psychic determinism—they are meaningful because this means there is purpose or intention—“since the purport of these purposive expressions is generally unknown to the person whose purpose they express, Freud is driven to embrace the paradox that there are in a human being purposes of which he knows nothing, involuntary purpose”—i.e. unconscious ideas.

Neurosis is “the disease called man” Nietzsche. “Neurosis is an essential consequence of civilization or culture.” Brown

“Between “normality” and “abnormality” there is no qualitative but only a quantitative difference, based largely on the practical question of whether our neurosis is serious enough to incapacitate us for work.” The difference between “neurotic and healthy is only that the healthy have a socially useful form of neurosis.”

Freud defined psychoanalysis as “nothing more than discovery of the unconscious in mental life”—the other hypothesis is that “some unconscious ideas in a human being are incapable of becoming conscious to him in the ordinary way, because they are strenuously disowned and resisted by the conscious life”.

Norman Brown tells us that to comprehend Freud one must understand “repression”. “In the new Freudian perspective, the essence of society is repression of the individual, the essence of the individual is repression of the self.”

Freud discovered the importance of repression when he discovered the meaning of the “mad” symptoms of the mentally deranged, plus the meaning of dreams, and thirdly the everyday happenings regarded as slips of the tongue, errors, and random thoughts. He concludes that dreams, mental derangements, and common every day errors (Freudian slips) have meaningful causes that can be explained. Meaningful is the key word here.

Since these psychic phenomena are unconscious we must accept that we have motivation to action with a purpose for which we are unconscious (involuntary purposes). This inner nature of which we are completely unaware leads to Freud’s definition of psychoanalysis as “nothing more than the discovery of the unconscious in mental life.”

Freud discovered that sapiens have unconscious causes which are hidden from her because they are disowned and hidden by the conscious self. The dynamic relationship between the unconscious and conscious life is a constant battle and psychoanalysis is a science of this mental conflict.

The rejection of an idea which is one’s very own and remains so is repression. The essence of repression is in the fact that the individual refuses to recognize this reality of her very own nature. This nature becomes evident when it erupts into consciousness only in dreams or neurotic symptoms or by slips of the tongue.

The unconscious is illuminated only when it is being repressed by the conscious mind. It is a process of psychic conflict. “We obtain our theory of the unconscious from the theory of repression.” Freud’s hypothesis of the repressed unconscious results from the conclusion that it is common to all humans. This is a phenomenon of everyday life; neurosis is common to all humans.

Dreams are normal phenomena and being that the structure of dreams is common to neurotics and normal people the dream is also neurotic. “Between “normality” and “abnormality” there is no qualitative but only quantitative difference, based largely on the practical question of whether our neurosis is serious enough to incapacitate us for work…the doctrine of the universal neurosis of mankind is the psychoanalytical analogue of the theological doctrine of original sin.”

Quotes from “Life against Death: The Psychoanalytical Meaning of History” Norman O. Brown

If you do not perceive your self to be a cauldron of conflict does that mean that the science of psychology is just a bunch of baloney?

If you look and cannot see it does that mean it does not exist?

Must we prepare our self in order to see?

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Re: “The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby jenthehero » Fri Jan 04, 2008 7:41 pm

The lies should be killed and quit quoting the EMO Nietzsche get a life loser.

Love is the answer now go f^%#^&# yourself loser.


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Re: “The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby JO 753 » Sat Jan 05, 2008 5:52 pm

i xink ulot uv xu sikoanulitikl xinking uv xu last sencure iz u rezult uv ovrle komplikatid ideuz. xu rezult iz befudlment raxr xan ansrz.

plan & simpl: we or stil animlz. being haf wa betwen emosn drivin bests & xinking musenz maks for sum spektakyqlr stqpidite.

gqd cans we wil pla owt xu fiksunl histore uv stor treks vulkanz!

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Re: “The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby coberst » Sat Jan 05, 2008 6:41 pm

JO 753 wrote:i xink ulot uv xu sikoanulitikl xinking uv xu last sencure iz u rezult uv ovrle komplikatid ideuz. xu rezult iz befudlment raxr xan ansrz.

plan & simpl: we or stil animlz. being haf wa betwen emosn drivin bests & xinking musenz maks for sum spektakyqlr stqpidite.

gqd cans we wil pla owt xu fiksunl histore uv stor treks vulkanz!


Looks like a lot of sophomoric bluff and bluster to me.

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Re: “The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby ifort » Sun Jan 06, 2008 12:22 am

jenthehero wrote:Love is the answer now go f^%#^&# yourself loser.

Why the rudeness?

I doubt that you know the meaning of the word proxy, or knowledge in using one (or more), much less something as sophisticated as tor.
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Re: “The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby rrichar911 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:01 am

coberst

Freud said something quite simple in complex terms.

As children we did not have the brains to know how to spot untruths. they thus became part of our subconscious beliefs. Untruths told to ones self about ones self, don't feel good.

Repression is the desire not to feel the emotions those subconscious beliefs produce. i.e repress them.

The problem with repression, or in laymans terms the desire to block out deeper emotions, is that they will always exist and do influence our behavior.

Modern man has come to call the product of untruths believed by the subconscious, normal. i.e. repression has become socially acceptable. Thus the wide spread acceptance of victim status. Victims of inner beliefs and their emotions, identify with victimhood.

This has created the "culture war".

What our ancestors knew, we have pretty much discarded as hokum. Problem is they were the deeper thinkers.

The rude remark is never the less a correct one. Love is the answer. that is also quite simple. Love creates positive emotions, with which to do battle with negative emotions. To get to the subconscious belief and change it, two things must happen.

First one must have the desire which is in relationships created by the desire to stay together, not loose this good thing that is bringing happiness to my life. thus when fights come up, one is prompted to "grow or die" , growth being when one knowingly or un-knowingly faces a subconscious negative emotion with the energy provided by the positive emotions of "love". Love thus "transends" in that it provides for a deeper center of awareness (the child becomes involved) as it attacks negative emotions with positive ones. One thus does not have to consciously understand that they are in the process of changing child hood beliefs, the source of the "fight".

Thus the best thing can do for themselves, is to love someone else.

Love wins or fear wins, the fear being the desire to maintain the repression, i.e. the desire to not know, because knowing involves diving into a neagative emotion created by an intensly emotional child. Adults have a hard time handling emotions as intense as a child was capable of creating.

In my opinion the modern tendency to accept everything under the sun as being "normal" is a full acceptance of the phenomina , that Freud called repression and fully explains why our culture is in decline.
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Re: “The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby JO 753 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:15 am

no bluf or blustr. just mi opinyn.

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Re: “The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby rrichar911 » Sun Jan 06, 2008 6:29 am

Neurosis is “the disease called man” Nietzsche. “Neurosis is an essential consequence of civilization or culture.”


That would be true if and only if, civalization manafests as an acceptance of the desire to repress and exterminate awareness.

One is not necessarily the result of the other.

I think what Nietzche did was this.

He was quite disturbed with in his deeper self, and it is our deeper self (those back ground emotions) which create our "world view. Thus his view of the world was some what dark.

He was quite into repression, and thus found an alternate source for his inner state, ie civalazation = other people.

The problem is all out there and none within, is the famous cry of the disturbed.
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Re: “The disease called man”--Nietzsche

Postby jenthehero » Wed Jan 09, 2008 8:58 pm

That comment was supposed to be funny. But I see in the elite room of the Nietzsche discussion we speak Latin and do not jest at the weight of one man's opinion once in the worlds great history.

I think Nietzsche was a loser. His dark opinion sucks. There are many ways to describe life, and as varied as our own opinions, cultures, launguages and beliefs we have varied understandings.

It is like the scene of the accident and four corners have seen something different. Then you ask the driver and the one that was hit. Now the truth could become obsfucated because of greed or malice.

We have always known the truth from the four corners, it is just one of these actors in this scene are telling a lie.

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