What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

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What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by placid » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:03 pm

Placid wants to learn the truth from the Skeptics Society Approach of what constitutes truth according to their logic.

I'm listening - I want you to teach me what is truth from your perspective.

Placid is a seeker of truth and justice... sometimes I think I may have found the answers.

But then when I present those answers to some people here at this forum I am told my answers are BS

So what are the real answers, do they exist, and does the Skeptics Society have the real answers.


If the nondualist placid approach is wrong, then who is right? and can there even be a right truth?

Placid wants to know why the Skeptics Society Approach disagrees with the Advaita Vedanta approach.

Can the Skeptics Society Approach say why they think the Advaita Vedanta approach is wrong, and how do they know that?


I'm going to speak like a normal human being on this thread, no non-dual talking, just normal human interaction and discussion between myself and others. Although the discussion will lean more toward a nondualist tone, but that's just how the placid mind seems to want to function.

Apologies in advance for any grammatical or spelling error, I just think what the heck does it matter how what we want to tell each other is presented, so rather than worry about that lets just focus on the general gist or meaning that is being presented and not get too bogged down with the sematics of what's being presented.

We all get the general gist of things so lets try and keep this civil.

Okay, so lets start simply here > why according to the Skeptic society people is Advaita Vedanta philosophy / slash approach into the meaning of reality and beingness got it so wrong?

I want to hear your side of the story, I'm listening. I'm ready to learn from you.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Poodle » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:18 pm

Try here ...
https://www.skeptic.com/about_us/manifesto/

It's from a pretty good source.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by placid » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:25 pm

Poodle wrote:Try here ...
https://www.skeptic.com/about_us/manifesto/

It's from a pretty good source.
Thanks, but to be honest I haven't really got the time to wade through reams and reams of detail, is it too much to ask to just get to the juice?

I will be asking some questions later on, is that okay for me to ask?

If not, then I will leave you all in peace.

My belief is that we all each and every one of us know the truth in the core of our beingness because we are it, so we don't necessarily have to deeply analyse that truth, just know it in our own self first and then maybe compare it with other beings versions of it.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Poodle » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:46 pm

It's not actually very long. At all. If you're not prepared to put in even an hour of reading, then what can I say?

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by placid » Tue Jan 30, 2018 12:56 pm

Poodle wrote:It's not actually very long. At all. If you're not prepared to put in even an hour of reading, then what can I say?
Okay, I'll give it a whirl ..you are right, I need to start by reading this link first, gosh I'm such a stubborn one.

I know deep in my heart it is the right thing to do, so that's what I'm going to do..thanks for being a strict teacher for me.

I'll be back later with some questions? is that okay?

If not I'll leave here for good.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:14 pm

The truth is that people who speak of themselves in the turd person usually meet expectations.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by placid » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:42 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:The truth is that people who speak of themselves in the turd person usually meet expectations.
Yes, I can kind of see what you mean by that, who are we to speak for that which we simply cannot know.

Is that what you mean?

And are we just meant to not know the truth of who we really are, but only what we think we are, my problem has been all along since I was knee high to a grasshopper is that none of us were born with an identity already attached , that identity was forced upon us by someone else, namely, our parent. So what happened here is that not-knowing suddenly became known and that not-knowing is now parading around with this known ID just because we had no idea of who what or why or what we are. Do you see this?

Do you think it is okay to talk from that authority then? the one that was superimposed upon our original not-knowing?

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jan 30, 2018 1:52 pm

URAPoser.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

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URAPOSER...being skeptical about being APOSER ..or what exactly?
Am I missing something?

Who is the skeptic and what is there to be skeptical about?

Can we have some sense please, I was told to give same, it's works both ways.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

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placid wrote:URAPOSER...being skeptical about being APOSER ..or what exactly?
Am I missing something?

Who is the skeptic and what is there to be skeptical about?

Can we have some sense please, I was told to give same, it's works both ways.
You decline to make sense and ask me to do what you will not do. Jackass.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by placid » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:23 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
placid wrote:URAPOSER...being skeptical about being APOSER ..or what exactly?
Am I missing something?

Who is the skeptic and what is there to be skeptical about?

Can we have some sense please, I was told to give same, it's works both ways.
You decline to make sense and ask me to do what you will not do. Jackass.

But now I do want to make sense.

If you decline my genuine request to make sense, then that makes you a Jackass. Please your ugly, we can be in two minds about everything. Otherwise we would not know our Ass from our Jacks.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by placid » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:32 pm

Matt said something to me yesterday about how I'm now beginning to learn something from us, meaning from this place.

So now I've had the common courtesy to step back from my own position and listen to the skeptics, but it seems I cannot win no matter what. I will always be the bad guy no matter what.

I get the message loud and clear .. I fell into my own trap, I get it...bye, I'm away.

Geez and they thought I was the nutcase.

At least I know I'm a nutcase, and the truth will set you free.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

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placid wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
placid wrote:URAPOSER...being skeptical about being APOSER ..or what exactly?
Am I missing something?

Who is the skeptic and what is there to be skeptical about?

Can we have some sense please, I was told to give same, it's works both ways.
You decline to make sense and ask me to do what you will not do. Jackass.

But now I do want to make sense.

If you decline my genuine request to make sense, then that makes you a Jackass. Please your ugly, we can be in two minds about everything. Otherwise we would not know our Ass from our Jacks.
Too late, {!#%@} head.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Gord » Tue Jan 30, 2018 3:51 pm

placid wrote:But now I do want to make sense.
I'll believe it when someone else sees it and tells me about it.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Aztexan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:06 pm

I just read a little on the advaita {!#%@} and placid, you were being nonsensical on purpose. What I read made sense in its presentation but not in application.

Here is an excerpt:
Rope and the snake analogy:
Suppose you are moving in a moonlit night and you can barely figure out the details of the objects you see around yourself. Suddenly you come across a large snake sleeping on your way. You are suddenly terrified, you lose the peace of mind and you are afraid to carry on. Then one man from behind throws light on the snake and it turns out to be a harmless rope. Suddenly the fear in you vanishes, you are no more in fear of the snake that was haunting you. Now you think of the moment you were in fear you feel you were ignorant and when you come across the reality the ignorance vanishes.

Here the snake is analogous to the universe, you are analogous to the observer and the man who enlightened the reality of the snake is analogous to the teacher (Guru) and the rope is analogous to the Brahman.
The state of snakehood of the rope is called the indeterminate (anirbachaniyam) state because you cannot determine the reality of the snake. Vedanta says the entire universe is in a indeterminate state because it does not reveal the truth or the fundamental reality the Brahman.


From here:
https://www.quora.com/What-is-Advaita-Vedanta


This analogy doesn't pass the smell test but I want you to notice how this guy presents his arguments that is easy to understand ( though I'm not dumb enough to buy this crap) but there is a way to say what you want that may make others want to engage in discussion but on your other threads, you seemed to be wilfully confusing.
So here I am giving you another chance.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

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Aztexan wrote:...there is a way to say what you want that may make others want to engage in discussion but on your other threads, you seemed to be wilfully confusing.
That's now what placid wants. If you can understand what's being said, you might ask pertinent questions which placid would be unable to answer.
So here I am giving you another chance.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Aztexan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:14 pm

Gord wrote:
Aztexan wrote:...there is a way to say what you want that may make others want to engage in discussion but on your other threads, you seemed to be wilfully confusing.
That's not what placid wants. If you can understand what's being said, you might ask pertinent questions which placid would be unable to answer.
So here I am giving you another chance.
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Post by Aztexan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 4:15 pm

I know he doesn't want dialogue. He wants to spout his BS so he can feel good at the end of the day that he converted someone or maybe it just feels good to troll.
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Post by scrmbldggs » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:34 pm

placid seems to be bouncing in and out of it, I just don't know if it's being unsure and unconvinced of the BS, or if it's a medical chemical issue.
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Post by Poodle » Tue Jan 30, 2018 5:43 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:placid seems to be bouncing in and out of it, I just don't know if it's being unsure and unconvinced of the BS, or if it's a medical chemical issue.
Both, I'm guessing.

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Post by Aztexan » Tue Jan 30, 2018 6:10 pm

A few years ago there was a course at some christian-based college that had an assignment where students were supposed to post their bs on science-based forums. I think they were required to post a certain number of posts but not engage in discussion. Some of them posted here until someone figured it out.
This doesn't sound like that but it's close.
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Post by Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Jan 30, 2018 7:58 pm

I think he's reading some woo book and making pitches as he thinks he's "got it".
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placid wrote:Placid wants to learn the truth from the Skeptics Society Approach of what constitutes truth according to their logic.
Skeptics systematically apply the scientific method to assess claims.

The Scientific Method
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method
"The scientific method is a body of techniques for investigating phenomena, acquiring new knowledge, or correcting and integrating previous knowledge."

placid wrote:Placid is a seeker of truth and justice
Placid deleted hundreds of posts to hide Placid's earlier lies and then posted the same lies again. :D

The Adviata Religion is discarded by skeptics as another mere religion because
1) It has no coherent hypothesis as required by the scientific method.
2) It does not accept any evidence that could falsify its hypothesis, as required by the scientific method
3) Real scientific hypotheses already explain phenomena that Advaita cannot exen express in coherent words.


However as neither Placid or Confidencia have ever been taught Advaita and state they are "self taught", no one here thinks Placid or Confidencia know what the Advaita religion actually says. In reality Advaita accepts that normal science is real and things like electrons and so forth are real.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jan 30, 2018 9:36 pm

placid wrote:Matt said something to me yesterday about how I'm now beginning to learn something from us, meaning from this place.
We gave you evidence of electrons. You were unable to offer any counter argument to the existence of electrons. Therefore electrons are real.

However as you refuse to read books, that's as far in life as you will ever get, concerning learning.
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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jan 30, 2018 10:16 pm

placid wrote: none of us were born with an identity already attached
We are all identified, from conception, by our genes as belonging to the species homo sapiens. Everyone on the forum has their own unique set of genes.

You simply did not know that as you refuse to read books and a claim you are "self taught".


Which Advaita sub-discipline and teacher did you study under, in the UK? If you haven't actually had any training, why are you pretending to be teaching Advaita to us? :lol:

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placid wrote: If not, then I will leave you all in peace.
If you are not prepared to read the Skeptic's Manifesto, as supplied by Poodle AND you are not prepared to read the steps of the Scientific Method, as linked above, then there is no point you being here and you can now go.
placid wrote:Thanks, but to be honest I haven't really got the time to wade through.....
Go away.

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placid wrote: I get it...bye, I'm away.
Bye Bye.

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Post by Matthew Ellard » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:11 pm

Aztexan wrote:I know he doesn't want dialogue. He wants to spout his BS so he can feel good at the end of the day that he converted someone or maybe it just feels good to troll.
The peak of Advaita is to be a guru or teacher, after studying under another guru or teacher. Placid and Cofidencia never studied or even read books. They are trying to be gurus, to normal people, without any knowledge about Advaita. That's why they can't post on Advaita forums.

It's just a narcissistic ego trip by two people with borderline personalities.

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Aztexan wrote:
Gord wrote:
Aztexan wrote:...there is a way to say what you want that may make others want to engage in discussion but on your other threads, you seemed to be wilfully confusing.
That's not what placid wants. If you can understand what's being said, you might ask pertinent questions which placid would be unable to answer.
So here I am giving you another chance.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Gord » Tue Jan 30, 2018 11:54 pm

Here's an argument about the term "scientific truth" which might help some people understand the complex meaning of the word "truth": https://www.realclearscience.com/articl ... 06273.html

It's not very long.
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placid wrote:...none of us were born with an identity already attached , that identity was forced upon us by someone else, namely, our parent. So what happened here is that not-knowing suddenly became known and that not-knowing is now parading around with this known ID just because we had no idea of who what or why or what we are. Do you see this?
I see it. But I believe you're missing part of the puzzle. Yes, our parents provide us with a preliminary identity: a name, a connection to them and others, a basic sense of right and wrong, and so on. However, they only have a monopoly for the first few years of our lives.

Once we start school and make friends, other people and ideas begin to transform that identity. The more we learn, explore, communicate, and express ourselves, the more our identities are transformed. We begin forming our own likes and dislikes, which may or may not be similar to our parents', and our own viewpoints. For example, neither of my parents was a musician, but both my brother and I are. My parents never watched sports; my brother is a Red Sox fan and I'm a Bruins and Patriots fan.

Quite often, we do find that we have things in common with our parents. My mother was a gourmet cook. She taught me, and I taught my daughter. All three of us love cooking. Both my parents were avid readers...and my brother and I are too. My entire family leans to the left politically, and we're all atheists.

Over our lifetimes, we develop our own identities based on our experiences and our reactions to them. We're never forced to maintain any identity given to us by others once we accept we have the power to reinvent ourselves indefinitely...and once we realize that no one else has that power over us. Does this make sense to you?
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Nikki Nyx » Wed Jan 31, 2018 2:58 am

placid wrote:Placid wants to learn the truth from the Skeptics Society Approach of what constitutes truth according to their logic.
Obviously, I'm not speaking for everyone, but only for myself.

Personally, I would not use the term The Truth™. People who believe they've found The Truth™ usually use their belief as an excuse to stop thinking. Reality is constantly changing and expanding, and our world view should change and expand with it in accordance with scientific principles.

For example, your great-great-great-great grandfather probably believed the world was flat, and that you could fall off the edge. To him, that was The Truth™. But you know he was wrong. Perhaps his son believed the sun revolved around the earth. To him, that was The Truth™. But you know he was wrong.

Instead of using the term The Truth™, try the phrase "verifiable facts from reputable sources." You can be (relatively) certain of facts (or prevailing theories) that have been proven empirically, and agree to change your opinion should additional data be discovered. While this attitude doesn't offer the personally secure certainty that blind faith does, I find a great deal of comfort in the fact that there are still new things to be learned. Life would be boring if there was nothing left to learn, and people who believe they have nothing new to learn are generally supercilious and judgmental.

Let's consider a concept on which people believe they possess The Truth™: What happens after we die? If we consider this concept scientifically, we must come to the conclusion that it's not possible to answer that question with any validity...because there isn't a shred of evidence to support any hypothesis, whether heaven and hell, reincarnation, nothingness, or a beer volcano. No one knows; no one can know. If it comforts you to believe you'll be reunited with loved ones, have at it...as long as you refrain from knocking on my door with pamphlets. But don't ever say it's a fact, because it's not.
placid wrote:Can the Skeptics Society Approach say why they think the Advaita Vedanta approach is wrong, and how do they know that?
First, I have to again disagree with terminology: I wouldn't say it's wrong; I would say it's not factual. No philosophy ever is.

Advaita Vedanta starts out with a belief in the concept of a soul (the true self), but there's no proof such a thing exists. No one has ever measured, photographed, weighed, examined, or observed a soul. Or even moved the concept from the realm of "hypothesis" to the realm of "theory." It's a concept that exists solely due to belief.

Since the very foundation of Advaita Vedanta (the soul) is mythical, there's not much point in discussing the faith AV has built on that foundation, is there? It would be as futile as eating cotton candy in an attempt to fill your belly. Sure, it looks pretty, but it has no substance.
placid wrote:We all get the general gist of things so lets try and keep this civil.
How am I doing so far? :mrgreen:
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

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That which is relative to and measured by probability; in consequence never absolute.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Nikki Nyx » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:07 am

Aztexan wrote:IThe state of snakehood of the rope is called the indeterminate (anirbachaniyam) state because you cannot determine the reality of the snake.
This is just a fancy way of saying, "Don't fear the unknown." But then...
Aztexan wrote:Vedanta says the entire universe is in a indeterminate state because it does not reveal the truth or the fundamental reality the Brahman.
...they go full retard. While quite a bit of the universe remains in an indeterminate state, we also possess a great deal of knowledge about the universe, especially in our own neighborhood. If the entire universe is indeterminate...

Me: "Why is there {!#%@} spread on your shoes?"
AV: "That's not {!#%@}; it is simply indeterminate Shinola."
Me: "Why are you attempting to shovel your ass?"
AV: "I'm not; I'm shoveling an indeterminate hole in the ground."
Me: "Well, now I know why there's toilet paper in my flower garden." :roll:
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Matthew Ellard » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:10 am

Howdy Nikki. It may be a wasted effort. In a post, above, we got this.
Placid wrote:I get the message loud and clear .. I fell into my own trap, I get it...bye,
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Aztexan » Wed Jan 31, 2018 3:33 am

I love that we put Gawd on the Welcoming Committee :D
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Nikki Nyx » Wed Jan 31, 2018 4:15 pm

Matthew Ellard wrote:Howdy Nikki. It may be a wasted effort. In a post, above, we got this.
Placid wrote:I get the message loud and clear .. I fell into my own trap, I get it...bye,
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It may be, but the topic is worth addressing for posterity. Placid asked politely—and rather humbly—for an answer. While I've done my share of Placid-bashing, I felt s/he deserved a thoughtful answer. I generally respond well to courtesy. :mrgreen:
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Confidencia » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:07 am

Poodle wrote:Try here ...
https://www.skeptic.com/about_us/manifesto/

It's from a pretty good source.
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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Confidencia » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:15 am

placid wrote:
I get the message loud and clear .. I fell into my own trap, I get it...bye, I'm away.
I'm surprised you even tried.

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Re: What is Truth from the Skeptics Society Approach?

Post by Aztexan » Thu Feb 01, 2018 1:22 am

In the alternate reality that is, placid succeeded.
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