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Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby shadd21 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:49 am

Are there any hints or proof pointing towards the existence of "life" after death

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:20 pm

Yeah, the honeymoon.

Oh, wait, you said "death", not "marriage". My bad.
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Postby Monster » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:55 pm

shadd21 wrote:Are there any hints or proof pointing towards the existence of "life" after death

According to some people, yes, loads. According to other people, no.
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Re: Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:30 pm

Monster wrote:
shadd21 wrote:Are there any hints or proof pointing towards the existence of "life" after death

According to some people, yes, loads. According to other people, no.

There's no actual evidence for an afterlife, just a bunch of religious idiots who are trying to protect their word-avoidance lifestyle and woomeisters who peddle BS to stupid people.
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Sat Aug 26, 2017 3:35 pm

I would add that the promotion of religion is another route to power and the lucrative corruptions available there.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 26, 2017 4:05 pm

OlegTheBatty wrote:I would add that the promotion of religion is another route to power and the lucrative corruptions available there.

Yep, military, religious, or political, the routes to power pretty much depend on your inclinations.
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Postby TJrandom » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:32 pm

shadd21 wrote:Are there any hints or proof pointing towards the existence of "life" after death


Of course there is life after death - unless you were thinking of extinction. Survivors live on, after the death of the deceased.

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Re: Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby Gord » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:30 pm

shadd21 wrote:Are there any hints or proof pointing towards the existence of "life" after death

I'll just dive right in and say there is evidence of life after death, but that evidence is generally regarded as extremely poor by the scientific community (people who have trained to evaluate the weight of evidence).

The problem with "evidence" is its vague definition. It can range, let's say, from hearsay to randomised controlled studies.

For example, here is a link to a brief, overly simplified medical tutorial on evaluating the strength of evidence: https://learn.maricopa.edu/courses/8047 ... h-articles

Here's a slightly more complicated article on evaluating evidence: https://www.cebma.org/faq/what-are-the- ... -evidence/
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Re: Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby Gord » Sat Aug 26, 2017 7:30 pm

...so yes, there are "hints" but there are no "proofs".
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:39 pm

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:39 pm

well...if scientists say there is no afterlife then there must be no afterlife...they know everything...
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Postby Poodle » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:42 pm

Why scientists, gorgeous? There ain't no experts on afterlife.

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Re: Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:44 pm

there are indeed
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Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 8:46 pm

there are spiritual councils of guides and teachers....and people who are experienced at traveling out of body help the newly deceased understand where they are , learn that they are 'dead', and what is available to them now.......
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:29 pm

gorgeous wrote:there are spiritual councils of guides and teachers....and people who are experienced at traveling out of body help the newly deceased understand where they are , learn that they are 'dead', and what is available to them now.......
When will you learn to stop eating BS? You know it always gives you logorrhea. :roll:
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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:33 pm

you deny it because it is not part of your current belief system .....that will change...
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Postby gorgeous » Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:34 pm

Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity
Science Fundamentalism...is exactly what happens when there’s a significant, perceived ideological threat to one’s traditions and identity.

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Sun Aug 27, 2017 2:31 am

gorgeous wrote:you deny it because it is not part of your current belief system .....that will change...
I don't have a belief system; I have a fact system.
What are the facts? Again and again and again-what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history”--what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!
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Re: Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby digress » Mon Aug 28, 2017 10:34 pm

Your body, this life, is a compilation of recycled atoms/materials (source being super novas and maybe some radiation). When you eat food your body, being the sophisticated technology it is, will break down & assimilate these materials and incorporate them into your being. But those materials are not vanishing. They are merely being further recycled. And so when you die your atoms will return back into the atom bank of the universe or be again assimilated into another object in some way. If you are able to assume this much then you may reason that there is certainly life beyond death, but whatever form it takes there stands no reason to suggest it is at all like life with a body. (with memories, senses, an experience, etc)
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Re: Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby Gord » Tue Aug 29, 2017 4:45 am

digress wrote:...so when you die your atoms will return back into the atom bank of the universe or be again assimilated into another object in some way. If you are able to assume this much then you may reason that there is certainly life beyond death, but whatever form it takes there stands no reason to suggest it is at all like life with a body. (with memories, senses, an experience, etc)

It seems odd to assume your atoms dispersing and being incorporated into other things would be considered "life after death". Sure, when I eat a piece of toast, some of it becomes part of my body (at least for a while), but suggesting the toast has come to life would be wrong.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Aug 29, 2017 10:24 am

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digress wrote:...so when you die your atoms will return back into the atom bank of the universe or be again assimilated into another object in some way. If you are able to assume this much then you may reason that there is certainly life beyond death, but whatever form it takes there stands no reason to suggest it is at all like life with a body. (with memories, senses, an experience, etc)

It seems odd to assume your atoms dispersing and being incorporated into other things would be considered "life after death". Sure, when I eat a piece of toast, some of it becomes part of my body (at least for a while), but suggesting the toast has come to life would be wrong.

I don't think that's what digress said. /precoffee
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Re: Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby Confidencia » Tue Aug 29, 2017 2:58 pm

shadd21 wrote:Are there any hints or proof pointing towards the existence of "life" after death


Find life before death and you will know life after death.

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Confidencia wrote:
shadd21 wrote:Are there any hints or proof pointing towards the existence of "life" after death


Find life before death and you will know life after death.

Find find dollars and have gas for work.
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Re: Afterlife or Oblivion?

Postby Confidencia » Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:15 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Confidencia wrote:
shadd21 wrote:Are there any hints or proof pointing towards the existence of "life" after death


Find life before death and you will know life after death.

Find find dollars and have gas for work.


Or you could pay for your dollars like gas and hope it works.

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Postby Gord » Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:04 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
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digress wrote:...so when you die your atoms will return back into the atom bank of the universe or be again assimilated into another object in some way. If you are able to assume this much then you may reason that there is certainly life beyond death, but whatever form it takes there stands no reason to suggest it is at all like life with a body. (with memories, senses, an experience, etc)

It seems odd to assume your atoms dispersing and being incorporated into other things would be considered "life after death". Sure, when I eat a piece of toast, some of it becomes part of my body (at least for a while), but suggesting the toast has come to life would be wrong.

I don't think that's what digress said. /precoffee

I can't even tell what I'm saying anymore.

So, what're we talking about? Don't know why, but I feel like having some toast.
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Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
digress wrote:...so when you die your atoms will return back into the atom bank of the universe or be again assimilated into another object in some way. If you are able to assume this much then you may reason that there is certainly life beyond death, but whatever form it takes there stands no reason to suggest it is at all like life with a body. (with memories, senses, an experience, etc)

It seems odd to assume your atoms dispersing and being incorporated into other things would be considered "life after death". Sure, when I eat a piece of toast, some of it becomes part of my body (at least for a while), but suggesting the toast has come to life would be wrong.

I don't think that's what digress said. /precoffee

I can't even tell what I'm saying anymore.

So, what're we talking about? Don't know why, but I feel like having some toast.

I was talking about Oral Roberta.
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Postby Gord » Wed Aug 30, 2017 2:55 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
digress wrote:...so when you die your atoms will return back into the atom bank of the universe or be again assimilated into another object in some way. If you are able to assume this much then you may reason that there is certainly life beyond death, but whatever form it takes there stands no reason to suggest it is at all like life with a body. (with memories, senses, an experience, etc)

It seems odd to assume your atoms dispersing and being incorporated into other things would be considered "life after death". Sure, when I eat a piece of toast, some of it becomes part of my body (at least for a while), but suggesting the toast has come to life would be wrong.

I don't think that's what digress said. /precoffee

I can't even tell what I'm saying anymore.

So, what're we talking about? Don't know why, but I feel like having some toast.

I was talking about Oral Roberta.

I used to watch that show. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_Orel
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:28 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I don't think that's what digress said. /precoffee
We really need a "precoffee" warning emoji. At least, I know I could use one, since I often grace ya'll with my presence while still attaching my first Sumatran IV. :mrgreen:

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Postby Nikki Nyx » Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:31 am

Gord wrote:...but suggesting the toast has come to life would be wrong.

https://youtu.be/Tlvrd6gt7Vg
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Postby Phoenix76 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:38 am

Dust to Dust, Ashes to Ashes.

About the only truth to ever come out of religions. Sure sounds good when we conceive that we (the universe etc) came from the dust and ashes of the big bang.

But an after life? I don't believe so, but then nobody knows. Sorry, no body knows except probably our mate Georgeous. :lol:

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Postby Gord » Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:15 am

Nikki Nyx wrote:
Gord wrote:...but suggesting the toast has come to life would be wrong.

https://youtu.be/Tlvrd6gt7Vg

NNNNNNNEAT!
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:57 pm

I keep toying with the idea of ordering it, because it looks like the kind of surreal fun I'd like. It's currently on sale, along with two versions of Surgeon Simulator, one in which you can operate on Trump. Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!
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Postby Gord » Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:43 am

Nikki Nyx wrote:I keep toying with the idea of ordering it, because it looks like the kind of surreal fun I'd like. It's currently on sale, along with two versions of Surgeon Simulator, one in which you can operate on Trump. Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!

Oh, I thought it was an online game.

Here's a free, um, "thing": http://www.puffgames.com/games/trump-falling-game/
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