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Where are you?

Postby thebrendanlea » Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:05 am

If you can only perceive yourself then where are you located?

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Postby Phoenix76 » Sun Aug 20, 2017 9:45 am

Guess I'm located within this bag of flesh and bone that's sitting in front of the computer answering silly questions.

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Postby TJrandom » Sun Aug 20, 2017 12:10 pm

Silly indeed since I can perceive far more than just myself.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:44 pm

I'm at the corner of Woo and Woo-Woo.
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Postby Gord » Sun Aug 20, 2017 1:48 pm

Centre of the universe, same as everything else.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 20, 2017 2:11 pm

Gord wrote:Centre of the universe, same as everything else.

You're not far from it.
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Re: Where are you?

Postby Flash » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:07 pm

Well...I can't open the door, there are bars in the window and a brand new stainless toilet in the corner. I dunno. :shockd:
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Sun Aug 20, 2017 10:27 pm

Flash wrote:Well...I can't open the door, there are bars in the window and a brand new stainless toilet in the corner. I dunno. :shockd:

Wow, you got a toilet? :shock:
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Postby OlegTheBatty » Mon Aug 21, 2017 3:44 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Flash wrote:Well...I can't open the door, there are bars in the window and a brand new stainless toilet in the corner. I dunno. :shockd:

Wow, you got a toilet? :shock:


And a window? :jealous:
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Postby scrmbldggs » Mon Aug 21, 2017 4:11 pm

I c u.
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Re: Where are you?

Postby Matthew Ellard » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:18 pm

thebrendanlea wrote:If you can only perceive yourself then where are you located?
Is this more non dualism religious bull-shit? Aren't you hippies organised enough to have your own forums?

We don't only perceive ourselves. We also perceive others, as they perceive us. Therefore we have common shared knowledge.

Non-Dualism failed in its first step, as it could never cope with a philosophy that could deal with more than one person at a time and concepts like common shared universal repeatable evidence.

Before posting more of your crap, bronze-age, religious propaganda, read about our existing skeptic scientific philosophy as defined by the scientific method.

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Postby Monster » Mon Aug 21, 2017 10:23 pm

I'm currently in Stamford as I write this.
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Postby Cygnus_X1 » Tue Aug 22, 2017 10:39 am

In the middle of the desert, on a horse with no name.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Aug 22, 2017 12:35 pm

scrmbldggs wrote:I c u.

No you don't, I'm hiding in the wainscoting.
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Postby Gord » Tue Aug 22, 2017 1:23 pm

Cygnus_X1 wrote:In the middle of the desert, on a horse with no name.

It must have felt good to be out of the rain.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Tue Aug 22, 2017 7:32 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
scrmbldggs wrote:I c u.

No you don't, I'm hiding in the wainscoting.

U c him too? Heck, we must have run through each other.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Tue Aug 22, 2017 9:48 pm

I didn't actually see him, I felt a disturbance in the farce, as if a million posts had cried out and were suddenly deleted.
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Postby Cygnus_X1 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 12:51 am

Gord wrote:
Cygnus_X1 wrote:In the middle of the desert, on a horse with no name.

It must have felt good to be out of the rain.


And there were plants and birds and rocks and things.
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Postby scrmbldggs » Wed Aug 23, 2017 3:39 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:I didn't actually see him, I felt a disturbance in the farce, as if a million posts had cried out and were suddenly deleted.

All part of Pyrrho's basement cultures training program.
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Postby digress » Wed Aug 23, 2017 6:22 am

im trapped in a prism called life.
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Postby Phoenix76 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:48 am

Well, I'm here, and I am sitting in front of my computer, trying to answer stupid questions put by stupid persons. Other than that, perhaps I'm somewhere near the centre of the universe. No, maybe not, because I believe our planet earth is somewhere on the edge of the universe.

How the hell does anyone know where they are, except that we are all here on earth and we are at a place we call home. If you can't get these simple facts through your thick skull, then frack off somewhere else and peddle your BS.

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Re: Where are you?

Postby Gord » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:06 pm

Cygnus_X1 wrote:
Gord wrote:
Cygnus_X1 wrote:In the middle of the desert, on a horse with no name.

It must have felt good to be out of the rain.

And there were plants and birds and rocks and things.

There was sand and hills and rings.
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Re: Where are you?

Postby Gord » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:17 pm

Phoenix76 wrote:...I believe our planet earth is somewhere on the edge of the universe....

There may be no discernible edge. That's one of the top current theories. Either space is infinite in all directions, or it somehow curves back upon itself (like the surface of a balloon). And because everything started from one point in the Big Bang, and space has expanded since then, every point in the universe was at that one initial point and could be considered the centre.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:30 pm

I'm right here.

Right here is moving.

I'll be in Milkdromeda shortly.
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Postby mirror93 » Wed Aug 23, 2017 4:31 pm

thebrendanlea wrote:If you can only perceive yourself then where are you located?

B


In my brain.

What is the problem with the self? Of being alive, of existing??

Really

What is the problem with these neo-advaita guys? Do they really hate their existence?

There is a better way to get over it................


simply kill yourself

you will achieve emptiness of self 100%

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Re: Where are you?

Postby Phoenix76 » Thu Aug 24, 2017 2:34 am

Gord wrote:
Phoenix76 wrote:...I believe our planet earth is somewhere on the edge of the universe....

There may be no discernible edge. That's one of the top current theories. Either space is infinite in all directions, or it somehow curves back upon itself (like the surface of a balloon). And because everything started from one point in the Big Bang, and space has expanded since then, every point in the universe was at that one initial point and could be considered the centre.


You're quite correct Gord. The old brain box got stuck in gear. What I was thinking about was our galaxy and the fact that were are on the edge of that.

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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Thu Aug 24, 2017 11:51 am

"There may be no discernible edge." I suspect we'll find a "good enough" edge when we plot dark matter better.
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Postby Flash » Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:24 pm

Spooky Tooth - I am the Walrus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEC8zdJW2vQ

I am here, you are here, we are here together...tralalalalala
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:18 am

Matthew Ellard wrote:
thebrendanlea wrote:If you can only perceive yourself then where are you located?
Is this more non dualism religious bull-shit? Aren't you hippies organised enough to have your own forums?
They can't grasp programming. Too science-y. :mrgreen:
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Postby Nikki Nyx » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:29 am

:singnew: Where, where...where, where...

Nope. I dislike the scansion. "Who are you?" works much better.
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Postby Gord » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:38 pm

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:"There may be no discernible edge." I suspect we'll find a "good enough" edge when we plot dark matter better.

The "good enough" edge is as far away as we can see. There's stuff beyond that, but it's so far away that the light from that distance will never reach us due to the expansion of space.

There is evidence that everything is reacting to a gravity source beyond that "edge". The gravity is too far away to affect us now, but at an earlier time when everything in the universe was much closer together, there may have been something massive "way over there" that gave everything a distinct tug in a specific direction and we're all still coasting towards it.
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Postby Gord » Fri Aug 25, 2017 5:41 pm

Phoenix76 wrote:What I was thinking about was our galaxy and the fact that were are on the edge of that.

We're not on the edge of the galaxy either though. We're not in the centre, but we're in one of the arms about halfway between the centre and the edge.

We Are Here: http://www.basicknowledge101.com/photos ... sample.png

And while we are in orbit around the centre of the Milky Way, we are also wobbling up and down through the plane of the galactic disc, like this: https://icravescience.com/wp-content/up ... lation.jpg

Currently our solar system is considered to be "above" the galactic plane by between 75 and 100 light years, and on the "downward" slope of our wobble. However, the galactic disk is estimated to be approximately 1000 light years thick, so we are not on the edge in that regard either.
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Postby Gawdzilla Sama » Fri Aug 25, 2017 11:22 pm

Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:"There may be no discernible edge." I suspect we'll find a "good enough" edge when we plot dark matter better.

The "good enough" edge is as far away as we can see. There's stuff beyond that, but it's so far away that the light from that distance will never reach us due to the expansion of space.

There is evidence that everything is reacting to a gravity source beyond that "edge". The gravity is too far away to affect us now, but at an earlier time when everything in the universe was much closer together, there may have been something massive "way over there" that gave everything a distinct tug in a specific direction and we're all still coasting towards it.

I am sure we're talking past each other here.
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Spoiler:
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Postby scrmbldggs » Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:25 am

:hmm: Oooh, digress! Looky


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Re: Where are you?

Postby Gord » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:43 am

Gawdzilla Sama wrote:
Gord wrote:
Gawdzilla Sama wrote:"There may be no discernible edge." I suspect we'll find a "good enough" edge when we plot dark matter better.

The "good enough" edge is as far away as we can see. There's stuff beyond that, but it's so far away that the light from that distance will never reach us due to the expansion of space.

There is evidence that everything is reacting to a gravity source beyond that "edge". The gravity is too far away to affect us now, but at an earlier time when everything in the universe was much closer together, there may have been something massive "way over there" that gave everything a distinct tug in a specific direction and we're all still coasting towards it.

I am sure we're talking past each other here.

Maybe we're talking to the people standing behind each other.
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Postby digress » Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:56 am

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Re: Where are you?

Postby Phoenix76 » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:36 am

Gord wrote:
Phoenix76 wrote:What I was thinking about was our galaxy and the fact that were are on the edge of that.

We're not on the edge of the galaxy either though. We're not in the centre, but we're in one of the arms about halfway between the centre and the edge.


Fair enough Gord. Was something I did read somewhere, but no matter. Your links are very good and offer a good visual explanation. Cheers.

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Re: Where are you?

Postby TJrandom » Sat Aug 26, 2017 6:48 am

I`ve been on edge as I read the above....


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