Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

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Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby Shen1986 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:01 am

Prepare your mind for a army of woo non-sense:

https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/ ... g_skeptics

One of the most things that made me laugh was this:

Scientific research has also demonstrated the effectiveness of energy healing. An example of such research is: "The Effect of the "Laying On of Hands" on Transplanted Breast Cancer in Mice" William F. Bengston, David Krinsley Journal of Scientific Exploration, Vol. 14, No. 3, pp. 353-364, 2000
http://www.scientificexploration.org/jo ... ngston.pdf


Bengston is a woo master of the highest degree:

I understand that Bill has recently suffered a heart attack and pneumonia and has canceled his subsequent upcoming workshops. I was planning to attend his upcoming workshop on Nov. 11-13, but it has been canceled. I hope he recovers fully and wish him and his family well.


Taken from: http://bioenergyandcancer.blogspot.sk/2 ... nergy.html

He could not even cure himself from a heart attack and he claims he has special powers?

However I let you have a look at this its all the compelling "evidence" and logical reasoning of all woo believers. Its their bible. Take a look and tell me what you think.
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Re: Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby Shen1986 » Thu Aug 01, 2013 11:31 am

I am bored so I will give it a try:

Lets start with the evidence:

Intelligent people believe in the afterlife

People who have more education are more likely to believe in the afterlife.
Contrary to researchers' expectations, a poll of 439 college students found seniors and grad students were more likely than freshmen to believe in haunted houses, psychics, telepathy, channeling and a host of other questionable ideas.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10950526/

Most doctors believe in the afterlife.
In the survey of 1,044 doctors nationwide, 76 percent said they believe in God, 59 percent said they believe in some sort of afterlife, and 55 percent said their religious beliefs influence how they practice medicine.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8318894/


Many intelligent people believe in silly things. This does not change reality in the first place. Even if Einstein would believe in a god it doesn't prove god exists.

Afterlife research is valid but mainstream science does not accept it.


Because there is NO evidence for it and there is a lot of evidence against it like this:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 094737.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... tions.html

If paranormal phenomena were real we would see signs of it in society.


Now to the cited studies:

Scientific research has demonstrated the effectiveness of mediumship. An example of such research is: "Anomalous Information Reception by Research Mediums Demonstrated Using a Novel Triple-Blind Protocol" Julie Beischel, Gary E. Schwartz Explore (New York, N.Y.) 1 January 2007 (volume 3 issue 1 Pages 23-27 DOI: 10.1016/j.explore.2006.10.004)
http://www.explorejournal.com/article/P ... X/fulltext


Gary E. Schwartz:

Criticism

Schwartz is well known for his book The Afterlife Experiments: Breakthrough Scientific Evidence of Life After Death (2003) cowritten with William Simon and Deepak Chopra. The experiments described in the book have recieved criticism from the scientific community for being inadequately designed and using poor controls.[2]
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Fraud

Schwartz claims to be a medium. In one case he claimed to contact the spirit of a 25 year old man in the bathroom of his parents' house and attempted to charge the family 3.5 million dollars for his mediumship services. He was exposed on Fox News.[3]


Taken from: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gary_Schwartz

Induced after death communication (IADC) is a therapy developed by a Veteran's Administration psychologist that helps patients with post traumatic stress syndrome. The therapy allows the patient to communicate with the spirits of those who's death was involved in the traumatic experience of the patient. For more information see:
Induced After-Death Communication by Michael Tymn and http://www.induced-adc.com


Michael Tymn:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_E._Tymn

Remote viewing is another application of psychic abilities that we see in our society. There are a number of commercial enterprises that provide remote viewing services and offer classes in remote viewing. To learn more about remote viewing read "Remote Viewing - the Real Story" by Ingo Swann:
http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/Pages/2.html


Ingo Swann:

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ed_Dames

Ingo Swann is a fraud and makes claims like these:

Ufology[edit]

Swann was a supporter of ufology and Saucer Smear. Swann, writing "in appreciation of 'Saucer Smear' and its Esteemed Editor", wrote that "although many of its readers might view 'Saucer Smear' merely as a droll ufology gossip rag, in the larger picture it is rather more accurately a profound 'window' opening up onto the sociology of ufology. Therefore its cumulative issues constitute a precious historical archive."[50]

In his 1998 autobiography Penetration: The Question of Extraterrestrial and Human Telepathy, Swann described his work with individuals in an unknown agency who study extraterrestrials, his remote viewing of a secret E.T. base on the hidden side of the moon and his "shocking" experience with a sexy scantily dressed female E.T. in a Los Angeles supermarket. He concludes that extraterrestrials are living on earth in humanoid bodies. A friend warned him that there are many extraterrestrials, that many are "bio-androids", and that they are aware their only foes on earth are psychics. While Swann and an individual known as "Mr. Axelrod" were secretly watching a UFO appear and suck up the water of a lake, they were discovered and attacked by the UFO. Swann was injured but was dragged to safety by his colleagues.[


Taken from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingo_Swann ... detectives

Playfair and Uri Geller, Playfair writes in chapter 17 "Whatever It Is" that many business leaders believe in ESP because they use it themselves. In chapter 9 of this book, Uri Geller describes some of the work he was hired to do by companies that paid him very large fees to use his psychic powers to locate oil and minerals. The book can be found on-line at:
http://site.uri-geller.com/en/books


Uri Geller:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uri_Geller ... rformances or take a look at the skeptic dictionary about Uri Geller. Boy Geller is like a mummy of parapsychology and is a known fraud.

Police departments use psychics to help solve criminal investigations, as this article on the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation web site explains:

"Police in Nelson, B.C., have found the body of a young woman who disappeared last March, and they credit a local psychic for pointing them in the right direction."
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2005/01/ ... 50127.html
More articles about Psychic Detectives can be found in the chapter News Stories About Spirits.


Answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychic_de ... commentary

Laura Day:

http://www.skepdic.com/intuitive.html

Oh boy can people be really so stupid?

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Re: Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby Whitedude » Sat Sep 14, 2013 12:04 pm

The guy who owns that website is a well known troll, he uses countless sockpuppet names on the internet such as chs4o8pt, or yol9qjps, he posts as "anonymous" on the Mind-Energy skeptiko website. He is the same guy behind the name "Winstun Wu" an admitted diagnosed schizophrenic who owns a woo forum called Scientific Committee Exposing Pseudo-Skeptical Cynicism of the Paranormal.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/SCEPCOP

He spams his webpage "Skeptical Misdirection" all over the internet.

https://sites.google.com/site/chs4o8pt/ ... sdirection

Practically everything he has written has been a lie. He claims fraudulent mediums like Helen Duncan and Mina Crandon were genuine.

He claims Mina Crandon's "spirit guide" exposed Harry Houdini as a fraud :lol:

He claims the photographs of Helen Duncan depicting puppet like mask faces were actually real spirits and that the British Intelligence and CIA sent Duncan to prison because she was a genuine medium/psychic. :lol:

Here's the Helen Duncan photographs that he claims were genuine evidence for spirit communication. lol.

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It is hard to take his website seriously.
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Re: Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby Pyrrho » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:09 pm

Winston's still out there, eh? Used to argue with him 20 years ago on sci.skeptic

...and for lagniappe...a treatise I wrote 9 years ago. Has it been that long already? How time flies.

http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=529

http://www.skepticreport.com/resources/analysiswu.pdf

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Re: Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby TheUltimateBlitz1 » Sat Sep 14, 2013 10:58 pm

One of the examples that they had about this guy "remote viewing" alien bases and I found the claim of seeing a sexy alien to be quite funny and implausible. Apparently aliens also shop in local stores for better prices. Now it is also implausible that someone would be attract to an alien. Humans over the course of time began to feel attraction for certain features in other humans. If there was an alien, unless it extremely resembled nearly all human features, then there would be no attraction to it.

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Re: Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby Poodle » Sat Sep 14, 2013 11:24 pm

Pyrrho wrote:Winston's still out there, eh? Used to argue with him 20 years ago on sci.skeptic

...and for lagniappe...a treatise I wrote 9 years ago. Has it been that long already? How time flies.

http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=529

http://www.skepticreport.com/resources/analysiswu.pdf

:mrgreen:



90 Pages, Pyrrho??

90?

Wow - you were serious back then.

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Re: Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby Pyrrho » Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:08 am

Poodle wrote:
Pyrrho wrote:Winston's still out there, eh? Used to argue with him 20 years ago on sci.skeptic

...and for lagniappe...a treatise I wrote 9 years ago. Has it been that long already? How time flies.

http://www.skepticreport.com/sr/?p=529

http://www.skepticreport.com/resources/analysiswu.pdf

:mrgreen:



90 Pages, Pyrrho??

90?

Wow - you were serious back then.

Yeah I've lightened up considerably.
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Re: Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby octopus1 » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:59 pm

I was wondering why you never saw Winston Wu and Pyrrho in the same room.... ;)

....Then I rejoined the tour group :-D
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Re: Skeptical fallacies (duh!!)

Postby Gord » Fri Sep 27, 2013 11:13 am

"Winston Wu" is the kind of name you just gotta write a song about. Maybe to the tune of "Purple Rain".

I never meant to cause you any sorrow.
I never meant to cause you any boo-boo.
I only wanted to one time see you laughing.
I only wanted to see you laughing at the Winston Wu.

Winston Wu, Winston Wu.
Winston Wu, Winston Wu.
Winston Wu, Winston Wu.

I only wanted to see you bathing in the Winston Wu.
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